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Memo to leaders: don’t push your luck

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Nikitas » Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:10 pm

Bananiot, have you read the latest statements attributed to Eroglu re the territorial issue and properties? Is that attitude any less unrealistic than anything Papadopoulos or Christofias have said?

If you include in the equation that Eroglu has the backing of the Turkish army, then his approach is just as intransigent and just as dumb as anyone else's. In short he expects the other side to bear all compromises to the point that he makes the sttus quo look much preferable to any solution he is offering.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:28 pm

sadly,

...well said Nikitas.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:01 pm

these negociations are not about compromise, Nikitas

it crossed my mind that Eroglu may have a point...

...these negociations can be about new ideas.

we hope that as Statesmen, meaning a peer review, they are learned as framers of a Constitution which changes the world's view of its Political choices with Bicommunal and Bizonal defined in a manner where our severist critic is so pleased they emulate its esteem.

it is the same, as a question of attitude (the virgin birth); is there a willingness, what is the intent?

the leaders as both Cypriot first should push their luck, in a Federated State, where there are as well, two (or more) National Assemblies. however, Turkey with its Army pose with their size their threat, to preoccupy the minds of these leaders, at a level where they are divided only as "Greeks" and "Turks".

...torn between this impasse, and a future they must create, one thing is sure, things will not remain the same.

Cyprus is Cyprus, it is not "Greek land" or "Turkish land".
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Postby Bananiot » Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:01 am

In my view the status quo is the worse option. There was only one way to put pressure on Turkey after Christofias came to power. He should have remembered his own words when after the referenda he declared that we need to make some changes to the Annan Plan so that the Greek Cypriot side would accept it. Had he started the negotiations by proposing these changes, the Turkish side would have been really tested. He was more interested to appease his partners I am afraid and he started negotiating from scratch, giving leeway to Turkey to put forward tough proposals and in effect neutralise Talat who would have lent a helpful ear. Christofias at the moment is only interested in getting away without shouldering the blame for a possible collapse of the talks. I think that Turkey will not help him in this respect and Eroglu is already playing the game in a masterly way from his point of view. The signals we send to the international community point to the direction that we are not in a hurry for solution whereas the Turkish side calls for solution before the end of the year. Our frustration has resulted in some undiplomatic moves, openly accusing the UN and the representative of the Organisation in Cyprus. God help us come December when the UN apportions blame for the failure of the talks to deliver.
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Postby Lit » Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:39 am

repulsewarrior wrote:these negociations are not about compromise, Nikitas

it crossed my mind that Eroglu may have a point...



Of course he does. Let us scrap the whole process that took years and start a new. Let start with your manifesto. Post it here for those who haven't had the pleasure of reading it yet. What a tool.

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Postby Lit » Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:47 am

Bananiot wrote: and Eroglu is already playing the game in a masterly way from his point of view. The signals we send to the international community point to the direction that we are not in a hurry for solution


Yes, Eroglu is playing the game masterfully and we, the people of the RoC, do not want a solution or at least, that is the signals we are sending to the international community. Oh wait, what parallel universe have you been inhabiting you meta leftist baboon?

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Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:34 am

cheers Lit,

got any suggestions, you'd give to these leaders?

...and regardless, have you read my manifesto, would it be a good solution, at least, is it easy to understand?
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Postby Bananiot » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:25 am

I have serious doubts about your ability to comprehend what people say, Lit. Never mind, it takes all sorts ...
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Postby Lit » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:41 am

Bananiot wrote:I have serious doubts about your ability to comprehend what people say, Lit.


Look in the mirror. YOU...uhh, clearly have no understanding....of anything! LOL

What people are saying, at least those in the western press, is that Eroglu is a hardline nationalist. See:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/haggai-ca ... 14881.html

How is he possibly playing the game right when he holds extreme views?

Bananiot wrote:Never mind, it takes all sorts ...


I have always been told to be respectful to the elderly so i am just going to say that maybe it would be best for you to go take a walk with your dog.

Arrivederci.
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Postby Bananiot » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:07 am

Admitedly, I am not young to know everything, but I can still smell a fool from miles away.
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