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[bill cobbett]

This is another case of TCs expecting to be treated in a special way.

Notice that Admin has banned more GCs than TCs. In fact, YFred is probably the first TC to be banned, that I am aware of, and it is not because the TCs are not provocative. Runaway has gotten away with a lot, as Deniz will testify.

I think Admin is extremely generous to the TCs, probably because they are so hard done by when it comes to freedom of speech, by their own administrations.

Instead of saying "thank-you" to Admin for allowing them this taste of honey, they complain over one worthless poster who has frequently threatened other users.

Fear can't agree with you on much of this one Our O, aside from the bit about censorship in the Turkish Forums/Press/Areas, and do remember that in the past many of us polite, uncontroversial, boring, quiet, clean-living sorts did support those named that fell on hard times in the other suspensions that are referred to.... apart from VP of course seem to remember.

Anyway really to a simple person like me, it's very simple, Freddie said some very naughty things to our Admin/Adminess, so he should take some time off to reflect on the errors of his ways, and offer an apolowogy, and the rest of us, regardless of the usual tribal allegiances should encourage a fellow forumer to put past difficulties with Admin behind them and get their bums back here.

[Get Real!]

Other members who have been banned in the past include Paphitis, Get Real!, Oracle and boomerang and this is just from members who posted in this thread.

Lord, I have sinned...

Some regular members have been banned multiple times.

That would have to be the master plonker Miltiades!

[Oracle]

This is another case of TCs expecting to be treated in a special way.

Notice that Admin has banned more GCs than TCs. In fact, YFred is probably the first TC to be banned, that I am aware of, and it is not because the TCs are not provocative. Runaway has gotten away with a lot, as Deniz will testify.

I think Admin is extremely generous to the TCs, probably because they are so hard done by when it comes to freedom of speech, by their own administrations.

Instead of saying "thank-you" to Admin for allowing them this taste of honey, they complain over one worthless poster who has frequently threatened other users.

Fear can't agree with you on much of this one Our O, aside from the bit about censorship in the Turkish Forums/Press/Areas, and do remember that in the past many of us polite, uncontroversial, boring, quiet, clean-living sorts did support those named that fell on hard times in the other suspensions that are referred to.... apart from VP of course seem to remember.

Anyway really to a simple person like me, it's very simple, Freddie said some very naughty things to our Admin/Adminess, so he should take some time off to reflect on the errors of his ways, and offer an apolowogy, and the rest of us, regardless of the usual tribal allegiances should encourage a fellow forumer to put past difficulties with Admin behind them and get their bums back here.

Yes I know there were protests at the bannings -- In fact, it was my initially protesting at GR! being banned that got me banned and I think Paphitis was banned (second time) for protesting about my banning ... etc etc. The only one who was banned (earlier) permanently (another GC) was skalliotis (spelling) ... who delighted us on Richard's little foray of a forum. Blissful, innovative days! But what I meant, was the protests did not sway Admin. The bans stood till they expired.

[bill cobbett]

This is another case of TCs expecting to be treated in a special way.

Notice that Admin has banned more GCs than TCs. In fact, YFred is probably the first TC to be banned, that I am aware of, and it is not because the TCs are not provocative. Runaway has gotten away with a lot, as Deniz will testify.

I think Admin is extremely generous to the TCs, probably because they are so hard done by when it comes to freedom of speech, by their own administrations.

Instead of saying "thank-you" to Admin for allowing them this taste of honey, they complain over one worthless poster who has frequently threatened other users.

Fear can't agree with you on much of this one Our O, aside from the bit about censorship in the Turkish Forums/Press/Areas, and do remember that in the past many of us polite, uncontroversial, boring, quiet, clean-living sorts did support those named that fell on hard times in the other suspensions that are referred to.... apart from VP of course seem to remember.

Anyway really to a simple person like me, it's very simple, Freddie said some very naughty things to our Admin/Adminess, so he should take some time off to reflect on the errors of his ways, and offer an apolowogy, and the rest of us, regardless of the usual tribal allegiances should encourage a fellow forumer to put past difficulties with Admin behind them and get their bums back here.

Yes I know there were protests at the bannings -- In fact, it was my initially protesting at GR! being banned that got me banned and I think Paphitis was banned (second time) for protesting about my banning ... etc etc. The only one who was banned (earlier) permanently (another GC) was skalliotis (spelling) ... who delighted us on Richard's little foray of a forum. Blissful, innovative days! But what I meant, was the protests did not sway Admin. The bans stood till they expired.

Agreed Our O... it was pretty much like that and Our Wise and Fair Admin did enforce the suspensions as you describe, and yes they were Halcyon Days, Carefree days, a radical free-speaking youth rediscovered... led astray again by that trouble-maker Lemithiotis. ..............

[BirKibrisli]

I have trouble with the notion "I am Admin,I say and do what I like,nobody can question me or my decisions"...Admins are human too,they can make mistakes,they can be subjective or emotional or tired when they are dealing with stuff...

The news first broke (for me anyway) that YFred was banned for life because he had a fight with Admin over the use of TRNC without quotes...
Then Admin offered his explanation but YFred has not had the opportunity (I am trying not to use the word RIGHT as we seem to have no rights here but priviledges) to reply...I don't care whose property this Forum is...Private ownership does not override natural justice...You cannot say "This is my house,I have an open door policy,anybody can come here but I can do anything I like with those who turn up,and nobody can question me!"...Having said that,I have always found Admin to be reasonable and fair in any dealings I've had with him/her...

YFred is a member of the CF family...He has been picked on mercilessly by most GCs here who have been tormenting him even about his Nick...Be honest and think of the variations of YFred that is being used here when attacking him personally...
He comes back fighting,and gives as good as he gets,always in an amusing and light hearted way...If you find it difficult coping with his inimitable style of insults,all you need to do is stop insulting him first...
We all know that internet forums by definition are not picnic grounds for the YWCA...We say things here we would never say in real life...We treat people in a way that would never be acceptable in our everyday life..It is part and parcel of posting on a forum...The notions of liberty and freedom of speech are as wide as the ocean...Hence natural justice takes on a new forum in Cyberspace...It is that which is violated in Yfred's case...

[Sotos]

YFred posts were junk! They should also ban Halil. He posts all the Bycrap junk here but when I made a comment at the Bycrap website the message said that it would be reviewed by some administrator first. My message was never published! Freedom of speech my arse! If Bycrap doesn't give freedom of speech to us why should we give freedom of speech to bycrap?

You cannot say "This is my house,I have an open door policy,anybody can come here but I can do anything I like with those who turn up,and nobody can question me!"

He can This is how forums work. Somebody needs to take decisions and who else if not the admin? If we were going to discuss and debate every decision then we would never agree and nothing would be ever done.

[wyoming cowboy]

Actually YFred agreed that there should be a Federated Republic with one man one vote.....But then he kept arguing away about Lurucina and the type of halloumi they made there..

[DT.]

Hello,

Our last, "catch all", rule states: "The administrators and moderators have the final word - If you have a problem or a complaint, direct it to the administrator and/or moderators, not to the boards. They will then take the appropriate actions."

If you want to get YFred's side of the story then you can email him, call him or contact him in any other way. However my decisions as an Admin of the forum can not be debated or negotiated in a public thread here. This debate is against our rules but I will let it run for a while more since I want to use this opportunity to say a few more things.

Freedom of Speech
What "freedom of speech" means within the context of this forum is that you are free to express your views on a wide range of topics as long as you do so in the correct section and within the limits of our rules. You should keep in mind that this website is privately owned. A right to participate in this or any other forum is a right given by the owners of the forum to the members under certain terms. I am not a head of a state and therefore I am not in the position to restrict the freedom of speech of anybody. I can only exercise my own rights over my own property.

This forum allows its members to express themselves in a way that is more free than most other fora. However there are always limits and the members should understand where the limits are. A forum without any limits not only will create an environment which is not appropriate for most people but could also get the owner into trouble.

Bans
My time is very limited and currently I am not able to moderate the forum to the degree I would like. As you know we are very flexible with the rules and rarely members are penalized for their posts. If, however, I notice something wrong and I contact a member then I expect that member to show some respect and understanding. YFred didn't do this and he was banned as a result but as I said I will give him a second chance after a month.

YFred is not the first regular member to be banned. Other members who have been banned in the past include Paphitis, Get Real!, Oracle and boomerang and this is just from members who posted in this thread. Some regular members have been banned multiple times. You can't expect from me to treat the ban of YFred in a different way. He will take a break from the forum for a month and then, if he wants, he can return as long as he agrees to respect the forum a bit more.

Please do not try to blackmail me into changing my decision. If you can't post in the forum unless YFred is present then you can take a one month break from the forum as well. If you feel very strongly about it you could even permanently stop using the forum. I will be very sorry if you choose this but it will not change my decision about YFred.

What I say now about YFred is true for everybody. I am not going to write such a post every time somebody is banned. So please remember my position on this issue.

Thank you

Anyone else getting the feeling that the real admin has retired and the helm's been transffered over to Lana?

I definitely see a shift from a non-personal male attitude to a much more female touchy-feely situation here.

Am I right?

[BOF]

YFred posts were junk! They should also ban Halil. He posts all the Bycrap junk here but when I made a comment at the Bycrap website the message said that it would be reviewed by some administrator first. My message was never published! Freedom of speech my arse! If Bycrap doesn't give freedom of speech to us why should we give freedom of speech to bycrap?

Because that would make us the same as them.

[BirKibrisli]

YFred posts were junk! They should also ban Halil. He posts all the Bycrap junk here but when I made a comment at the Bycrap website the message said that it would be reviewed by some administrator first. My message was never published! Freedom of speech my arse! If Bycrap doesn't give freedom of speech to us why should we give freedom of speech to bycrap?

You cannot say "This is my house,I have an open door policy,anybody can come here but I can do anything I like with those who turn up,and nobody can question me!"

He can This is how forums work. Somebody needs to take decisions and who else if not the admin? If we were going to discuss and debate every decision then we would never agree and nothing would be ever done.

Whether YFred posted junk or not is a very subjective judgement...In this context,it is like one man's terrorist being another's freedom fighter...But that is not the issue here,,,Yfred was not banned because his posts were junk...If people got banned for that reason not many of us will be left here... And that would be a sure road to sensorship..."I don't like what you are saying,so it is junk...You are banned,Voila!!!"

Admins do have a lot of power,and with that comes a lot of responsibility...People need to be satisfied that justice has been done...In other words,justice,especially natural justice,needs to be seen to be done,as well as be done...That cannot happen if we only hear one side of the story....