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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:10 pm

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Paphitis wrote:People who believe that Cyprus should not develop excellent relations with Israel are seriously deluded.

Cyprus has been trading with Israel for many years now and the two have exchanged embassies ages ago. What else do you expect them to do… attend a synagogue together? :?


Cyprus and Israel can form extensive defence ties. The RoC could allow the IAF to use the Nicosia FIR for training and the RoC could form some Defense consortiums with Israel in order to develop the next generation of CNG and IDF armaments which will also assist with potential interoperability in the future.

The RoC could also learn from Israeli innovations in desalination and water irrigation.

By forming excellent ties with Israel, AIPAC will suddenly become a very valuable resource for the RoC and we would be better placed to take advantage of any potential Geopolitical shifts in the future.

The RoC will never be in a position to have a somewhat dogmatic relationship with them.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:11 pm

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Get Real! wrote:A number of people have tried over the years to boost the occupied territory with daring projects but all have failed because… a Muslim system and particularly an Ottoman one, is anti-prosperity by its very nature!

It is designed to serve a small group of people (the pashas) at the top, at the expense of everyone else. The pashas have not yet realized that the prosperity of common man is directly linked to theirs! It is this short-sightedness that brought the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in the first place!

For the “TRNC” to prosper they would have to abandon the Ottoman/Muslim ways but that of course is next to impossible.


not mentioning the billions turkey sunk into the pit to make then look like a proper state and compete with the free areas...

Yeah, had Turkey not been propping them up, God knows what would’ve happened there… the child would bite the mother and the mother eat the husband! :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:22 pm

Paphitis wrote:Cyprus and Israel can form extensive defence ties. The RoC could allow the IAF to use the Nicosia FIR for training and the RoC could form some Defense consortiums with Israel in order to develop the next generation of CNG and IDF armaments which will also assist with potential interoperability in the future.

:? Israel doesn’t need Cyprus for defense purposes, and neither are we interested in American and/or Israeli military hardware… especially knowing that our enemy (Turkey) has a predominantly American/Israeli inventory. Russian-made ground defenses are superior.

The RoC could also learn from Israeli innovations in desalination and water irrigation.

We've already attained everything to do with desalinization from Israel and others in the 90s and now we’re building the world’s first solar powered! We could invite the Israelis to watch if you like… :lol:

By forming excellent ties with Israel, AIPAC will suddenly become a very valuable resource for the RoC and we would be better placed to take advantage of any potential Geopolitical shifts in the future.

The RoC will never be in a position to have a somewhat dogmatic relationship with them.

Cyprus is wealthy because of billions from the Arab market so if we were to embark on Israel’s capricious games prepare to eat stale bread and olives…
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:36 pm

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Paphitis wrote:Cyprus and Israel can form extensive defence ties. The RoC could allow the IAF to use the Nicosia FIR for training and the RoC could form some Defense consortiums with Israel in order to develop the next generation of CNG and IDF armaments which will also assist with potential interoperability in the future.

:? Israel doesn’t need Cyprus for defense purposes, and neither are we interested in American and/or Israeli military hardware… especially knowing that our enemy (Turkey) has a predominantly American/Israeli inventory. Russian-made ground defenses are superior.

The RoC could also learn from Israeli innovations in desalination and water irrigation.

We've already attained everything to do with desalinization from Israel and others in the 90s and now we’re building the world’s first solar powered! We could invite the Israelis to watch if you like… :lol:

By forming excellent ties with Israel, AIPAC will suddenly become a very valuable resource for the RoC and we would be better placed to take advantage of any potential Geopolitical shifts in the future.

The RoC will never be in a position to have a somewhat dogmatic relationship with them.

Cyprus is wealthy because of billions from the Arab market so if we were to embark on Israel’s capricious games prepare to eat stale bread and olives…


I was really talking about Israeli APCs, UAVs, patrol boats, corvettes and AA systems. The Israelis have a world class Defense Industry which is capable of just about anything. We could also benefit from sharing intelligence.

It makes practical sense to develop such a relationship with a regional power. Greece did so, and also enjoyed excellent relations with many Arab nations.

And Cyprus is not rich because of the Arab world, but I agree that Cyprus has good relations with many nations in the Middle East which I don't believe are at risk either way, particularly with Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar!
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:39 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:People who believe that Cyprus should not develop excellent relations with Israel are seriously deluded.

Cyprus has been trading with Israel for many years now and the two have exchanged embassies ages ago. What else do you expect them to do… attend a synagogue together? :?


Cyprus and Israel can form extensive defence ties. The RoC could allow the IAF to use the Nicosia FIR for training and the RoC could form some Defense consortiums with Israel in order to develop the next generation of CNG and IDF armaments which will also assist with potential interoperability in the future.

The RoC could also learn from Israeli innovations in desalination and water irrigation.

By forming excellent ties with Israel, AIPAC will suddenly become a very valuable resource for the RoC and we would be better placed to take advantage of any potential Geopolitical shifts in the future.

The RoC will never be in a position to have a somewhat dogmatic relationship with them.


Hi Paphitis,

Not to change the subject, but, did you find a good charity to give the 5,000 Euros you won the bet with MR-from-NG. I was away for a while, so I don't know where the money went to. I'm sure MR-from-NG, a man who speaks mostly about his wealth to make up for lacking in intelligence, honoured his bet and paid up.!
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Re: This is what you get when you piss off the Jews

Postby denizaksulu » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:49 pm

DT. wrote:Articles like this will be popping up everywhere now. Pretty soon methinks we'll get the OK from Spielberg for the first Hollywood production of 1974.

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/pu ... detail.asp

Turkish Delight - But not for the OppressedVictor Sharpe


In 1974, a flotilla set sail from Turkey. No, it wasn't destined for the Gaza coast carrying thugs and jihadists masquerading as human rights activists - as ill armed Israeli commandos discovered to their cost. No, this was a flotilla of naval ships sailing towards Cyprus as a full fledged invasion force, illegally employing U.S. arms and equipment.

Later, after Greek Cypriot resistance had been crushed in the north of the island, Turkish forces began to ethnically cleanse almost half of the island from its Greek population, The Turkish military employed hundreds of U.S. tanks and airplanes and 35,000 ground troops, with the result being a land grab by Turkey of 37.3% of Cyprus. Turkey later sent additional flotillas to the island; ships containing 150,00 Turkish settlers who proceeded to colonize the land after some 200,000 Greeks had been driven out and made into refugees.

The capital city of Cyprus, Nicosia, remains today a city divided with barbed wire marking the border like an ugly scar. Though relatively quiet today, pockmarks still cover the walls where bullets struck civilians and snipers held sway. This was how Jerusalem and its Jewish residents also suffered during the illegal Jordanian occupation from 1948 until 1967. This division of the city left its eastern half and the biblical and ancestral Jewish homeland of Judea and Samaria, known by the world as the West Bank, under Arab occupation.

In 1948, the Jewish population of Jerusalem's Old City were expelled by the British officered Jordanian Arab Legion. Only in 1967 were they able to reclaim their homes throughout the eastern half of the Holy City and in the ravaged Jewish Quarter after Israel was forced to fight a defensive war against Jordan, Egypt and Syria. Fifty seven ancient synagogues were desecrated by the Arabs and Jewish gravestones in the Mount of Olives were torn up and used as latrines by the Arab Legion.

Just as now Nicosia is a city divided against itself, so too was Jerusalem before its liberation and reunification. In Cyprus, churches were desecrated and left in ruins. Cyprus and Israel both now endure Turkish aggression. Turkey, with its new found Islamic triumphalism and alliance with the Islamic Republic of Iran, has become a threat to the Jewish state and has become even more obdurate towards any hope of a peaceful settlement with the Greeks in divided Cyprus.

It is interesting to note that just as Britain held and abused the terms of the Palestine Mandate conferred upon it with the express agreement to establish within much of its borders a Jewish National Home, so too did Turkey’s occupation of Cyprus. Its use of the terms Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot came to be viewed as a classic "divide and rule" tactic.

Britain and the U.S. helped formulate in the United Nations what became known as the Annan Plan, named for the UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan. But this plan was grossly unfair to the Greek population of the island. Most problematic was the document's inability or unwillingness to address the core issue: Turkey's original and premeditated invasion and aggression.

During their reign, the Ottoman Turks occupied vast areas of the Middle East, Eastern Europe, the Balkans and Greece including Cyprus. They held their empire from 1517 to 1917 and in that time, as Islamic states have always done to their non-Muslim populations, treated them as dhimmis; discriminated against, second class citizens.

Throughout the long years of occupation, the dhimmis often suffered horrendous crimes committed against them, including in Cyprus. For example, massacres of Cypriot civilians occurred throughout the island and in the city of Famagusta a massacre of the Greek Christian population broke out with the public hanging of Archbishop Kyprianos, three Bishops and Greek Cypriot dignitaries in Nicosia.

Many Christians and Jews were treated as second class citizens with no right to hold office in the Ottoman state. They were discriminated against and forced to pay the jizya, the onerous tax paid by all "infidels" to the Muslim authorities. It was, and remains in some Muslim territories, a veritable protection racket enshrined in Sharia law.

Some Jews who faced expulsion or conversion in Spain and Portugal during the Catholic Inquisition of Ferdinand and Isabella in 1492 and thereafter, converted in mass public events to remain in the Iberian peninsula. However, most retained in secret their Jewish faith in order to retain their beliefs. Similarly, many Greek Christians in the mainland and in Cyprus converted to Islam but secretly these "Linovamvakoi" continued to worship in underground churches and keep Greek culture alive.

In 1978, the Turks sold Cyprus to the British in order to replenish their dwindling financial reserves. Turkey was already fast becoming known as the "sick man of Europe" and would later ally itself with Germany during the First World War, resulting in the destruction of the Ottoman Turkish empire and the liberation of vast territories - including the liberation in 1917 of Jerusalem.

The 1923 Treaty of Lausanne ended any notion of a legitimate Turkish claim to the overwhelmingly Greek populated island. After World War 2, many British territories began to seek their independence from the Crown. In 1947, the Indian sub-continent was partitioned between the largely Hindu state of India and a smaller bifurcated Islamic state of East and West Pakistan. The result was a bloody conflict between the two religions. East Pakistan later became present day Bangladesh.

In Mandatory Palestine, a territory which had never existed in all of recorded history as an independent, and certainly not an Arab independent state, the Jewish community had supported Britain during the war against Nazi Germany, but had also struggled for its own independence in the tiny territory left to them after Britain's earlier betrayal of the Mandate in 1921/22. In this, Britain arbitrarily removed from the Mandate all the relatively vast territory east of the River Jordan up to the borders of the newly formed Iraqi state and created yet another artificial Arab state - now known as the Kingdom of Jordan.

The Cypriot people also demanded to be freed of the British yoke following the example of other Crown Colonies and territories. But Turkey reneged on the earlier treaties and a campaign of violence and a land grab was instituted, funded by Turkey.

Cyprus finally gained its independence from Britain on 16th August 1960. In December 1963, Turkey sent commandos into northern Cyprus. Despite UN and international condemnation, Turkey mounted indiscriminate air strikes using chemical weapons and napalm on civilians. And in 1974, we know what took place - a full scale Turkish invasion.

In a moral world it would be eloquent justice for flotillas containing true humanitarians to sail towards Turkey to publicly demand restoration of the national integrity of Cyprus and removal of all Turkish military occupation; of the rights of the Kurdish people for an independent State of Kurdistan; of full admittance of the horrors perpetrated against the Armenian people; and for Turkey to come to its senses regarding the embattled State of Israel by accepting the Jewish state's inalienable right to defend itself against Arab and Islamist aggression emanating from Gaza.

To this day Turkey is ratcheting up its Islamic ambition to restore the old hateful Ottoman Turkish empire and Caliphate instead of showing any remorse for the atrocities that it and the Ottoman Empire perpetrated against the occupied non-Muslim peoples. It refuses more than ever any recognition or acknowledgment of its crimes against humanity in the past and in the present.

Meanwhile, the Obama Administration, the United Nations, and a deeply immoral world looks on in silence as yet another flotilla of lies and violence prepares to set sail from Turkey and Iran to create a maritime pipeline of advanced and ever lethal missiles for Hamas in Gaza to use against Israeli civilians.

FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributor Victor Sharpe is a freelance writer and author of Volumes One and Two of Politicide: The attempted murder of the Jewish state.


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I believe that "In 1978, the Turks sold Cyprus to the British.." is an editorial error.



The above article states, "Many Christians and Jews were treated as second class citizens with no right to hold office in the Ottoman state".

Are you sure of the accuracy of this statement? Most ministers even some primeministers were of Christian origin. When their tenure of office ended they returned to their land of origin. But you already know that, yet you still post this partially misleading article.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:57 pm

Paphitis,

In 1974 the indigenous Cypriot was saved thanks to Arab countries like Bahrain, Oman, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, and others… where tens of thousands of Cypriots fled to work. Many fortunes were made that saved the collapsed Cypriot economy after Turkey’s devastating military invasion. Cyprus later reciprocated with numerous refugee intakes from Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine, and aid as required.

Cyprus’ bond with various Arab countries was sealed so don’t come and ask us today to side with the criminal Israeli regime because you’ll be talking to a wall…
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:58 pm

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Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:People who believe that Cyprus should not develop excellent relations with Israel are seriously deluded.

Cyprus has been trading with Israel for many years now and the two have exchanged embassies ages ago. What else do you expect them to do… attend a synagogue together? :?


Cyprus and Israel can form extensive defence ties. The RoC could allow the IAF to use the Nicosia FIR for training and the RoC could form some Defense consortiums with Israel in order to develop the next generation of CNG and IDF armaments which will also assist with potential interoperability in the future.

The RoC could also learn from Israeli innovations in desalination and water irrigation.

By forming excellent ties with Israel, AIPAC will suddenly become a very valuable resource for the RoC and we would be better placed to take advantage of any potential Geopolitical shifts in the future.

The RoC will never be in a position to have a somewhat dogmatic relationship with them.


Hi Paphitis,

Not to change the subject, but, did you find a good charity to give the 5,000 Euros you won the bet with MR-from-NG. I was away for a while, so I don't know where the money went to. I'm sure MR-from-NG, a man who speaks mostly about his wealth to make up for lacking in intelligence, honoured his bet and paid up.!


Hi Kiks,

Unfortunately MR-from-NG has no intention of honouring his 5000 Euro bet. This is particularly sad, and it speaks volumes about the man's honour and integrity. If he could not afford the bet, he shouldn't of made such a large bet. Not knowing much about his personal circumstances, I decided to give him an opportunity to withdraw and rethink it, because I am not one to be wanting to cause financial hardship on anyone. It is only later that I found out that he is quite wealthy and should keep his word and donate the money to an agreed charity.

Personally, I had one of Miltiades' favourite charities in mind, which is the Saint Staphanos Orphanage in Limassol. But I was also willing to donate half the money to that charity and the remainder be paid to a TC charity in occupied Cyprus.

Sadly, MR-from-NG is not a man of his word. I also suspect that we will not be hearing from him in the near future due to this debacle.
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:04 pm

Get Real! wrote:Paphitis,

In 1974 the indigenous Cypriot was saved thanks to Arab countries like Bahrain, Oman, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, and others… where tens of thousands of Cypriots fled to work. Many fortunes were made that saved the collapsed Cypriot economy after Turkey’s devastating military invasion. Cyprus later reciprocated with numerous refugee intakes from Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine, and aid as required.

Cyprus’ bond with various Arab countries was sealed so don’t come and ask us today to side with the criminal Israeli regime because you’ll be talking to a wall…



Talking to a wall is the Jewish way isnt it? Get the Haham, Paphitis is ready for the snip. :lol:
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Re: This is what you get when you piss off the Jews

Postby DT. » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:05 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
DT. wrote:Articles like this will be popping up everywhere now. Pretty soon methinks we'll get the OK from Spielberg for the first Hollywood production of 1974.

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/pu ... detail.asp

Turkish Delight - But not for the OppressedVictor Sharpe


In 1974, a flotilla set sail from Turkey. No, it wasn't destined for the Gaza coast carrying thugs and jihadists masquerading as human rights activists - as ill armed Israeli commandos discovered to their cost. No, this was a flotilla of naval ships sailing towards Cyprus as a full fledged invasion force, illegally employing U.S. arms and equipment.

Later, after Greek Cypriot resistance had been crushed in the north of the island, Turkish forces began to ethnically cleanse almost half of the island from its Greek population, The Turkish military employed hundreds of U.S. tanks and airplanes and 35,000 ground troops, with the result being a land grab by Turkey of 37.3% of Cyprus. Turkey later sent additional flotillas to the island; ships containing 150,00 Turkish settlers who proceeded to colonize the land after some 200,000 Greeks had been driven out and made into refugees.

The capital city of Cyprus, Nicosia, remains today a city divided with barbed wire marking the border like an ugly scar. Though relatively quiet today, pockmarks still cover the walls where bullets struck civilians and snipers held sway. This was how Jerusalem and its Jewish residents also suffered during the illegal Jordanian occupation from 1948 until 1967. This division of the city left its eastern half and the biblical and ancestral Jewish homeland of Judea and Samaria, known by the world as the West Bank, under Arab occupation.

In 1948, the Jewish population of Jerusalem's Old City were expelled by the British officered Jordanian Arab Legion. Only in 1967 were they able to reclaim their homes throughout the eastern half of the Holy City and in the ravaged Jewish Quarter after Israel was forced to fight a defensive war against Jordan, Egypt and Syria. Fifty seven ancient synagogues were desecrated by the Arabs and Jewish gravestones in the Mount of Olives were torn up and used as latrines by the Arab Legion.

Just as now Nicosia is a city divided against itself, so too was Jerusalem before its liberation and reunification. In Cyprus, churches were desecrated and left in ruins. Cyprus and Israel both now endure Turkish aggression. Turkey, with its new found Islamic triumphalism and alliance with the Islamic Republic of Iran, has become a threat to the Jewish state and has become even more obdurate towards any hope of a peaceful settlement with the Greeks in divided Cyprus.

It is interesting to note that just as Britain held and abused the terms of the Palestine Mandate conferred upon it with the express agreement to establish within much of its borders a Jewish National Home, so too did Turkey’s occupation of Cyprus. Its use of the terms Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot came to be viewed as a classic "divide and rule" tactic.

Britain and the U.S. helped formulate in the United Nations what became known as the Annan Plan, named for the UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan. But this plan was grossly unfair to the Greek population of the island. Most problematic was the document's inability or unwillingness to address the core issue: Turkey's original and premeditated invasion and aggression.

During their reign, the Ottoman Turks occupied vast areas of the Middle East, Eastern Europe, the Balkans and Greece including Cyprus. They held their empire from 1517 to 1917 and in that time, as Islamic states have always done to their non-Muslim populations, treated them as dhimmis; discriminated against, second class citizens.

Throughout the long years of occupation, the dhimmis often suffered horrendous crimes committed against them, including in Cyprus. For example, massacres of Cypriot civilians occurred throughout the island and in the city of Famagusta a massacre of the Greek Christian population broke out with the public hanging of Archbishop Kyprianos, three Bishops and Greek Cypriot dignitaries in Nicosia.

Many Christians and Jews were treated as second class citizens with no right to hold office in the Ottoman state. They were discriminated against and forced to pay the jizya, the onerous tax paid by all "infidels" to the Muslim authorities. It was, and remains in some Muslim territories, a veritable protection racket enshrined in Sharia law.

Some Jews who faced expulsion or conversion in Spain and Portugal during the Catholic Inquisition of Ferdinand and Isabella in 1492 and thereafter, converted in mass public events to remain in the Iberian peninsula. However, most retained in secret their Jewish faith in order to retain their beliefs. Similarly, many Greek Christians in the mainland and in Cyprus converted to Islam but secretly these "Linovamvakoi" continued to worship in underground churches and keep Greek culture alive.

In 1978, the Turks sold Cyprus to the British in order to replenish their dwindling financial reserves. Turkey was already fast becoming known as the "sick man of Europe" and would later ally itself with Germany during the First World War, resulting in the destruction of the Ottoman Turkish empire and the liberation of vast territories - including the liberation in 1917 of Jerusalem.

The 1923 Treaty of Lausanne ended any notion of a legitimate Turkish claim to the overwhelmingly Greek populated island. After World War 2, many British territories began to seek their independence from the Crown. In 1947, the Indian sub-continent was partitioned between the largely Hindu state of India and a smaller bifurcated Islamic state of East and West Pakistan. The result was a bloody conflict between the two religions. East Pakistan later became present day Bangladesh.

In Mandatory Palestine, a territory which had never existed in all of recorded history as an independent, and certainly not an Arab independent state, the Jewish community had supported Britain during the war against Nazi Germany, but had also struggled for its own independence in the tiny territory left to them after Britain's earlier betrayal of the Mandate in 1921/22. In this, Britain arbitrarily removed from the Mandate all the relatively vast territory east of the River Jordan up to the borders of the newly formed Iraqi state and created yet another artificial Arab state - now known as the Kingdom of Jordan.

The Cypriot people also demanded to be freed of the British yoke following the example of other Crown Colonies and territories. But Turkey reneged on the earlier treaties and a campaign of violence and a land grab was instituted, funded by Turkey.

Cyprus finally gained its independence from Britain on 16th August 1960. In December 1963, Turkey sent commandos into northern Cyprus. Despite UN and international condemnation, Turkey mounted indiscriminate air strikes using chemical weapons and napalm on civilians. And in 1974, we know what took place - a full scale Turkish invasion.

In a moral world it would be eloquent justice for flotillas containing true humanitarians to sail towards Turkey to publicly demand restoration of the national integrity of Cyprus and removal of all Turkish military occupation; of the rights of the Kurdish people for an independent State of Kurdistan; of full admittance of the horrors perpetrated against the Armenian people; and for Turkey to come to its senses regarding the embattled State of Israel by accepting the Jewish state's inalienable right to defend itself against Arab and Islamist aggression emanating from Gaza.

To this day Turkey is ratcheting up its Islamic ambition to restore the old hateful Ottoman Turkish empire and Caliphate instead of showing any remorse for the atrocities that it and the Ottoman Empire perpetrated against the occupied non-Muslim peoples. It refuses more than ever any recognition or acknowledgment of its crimes against humanity in the past and in the present.

Meanwhile, the Obama Administration, the United Nations, and a deeply immoral world looks on in silence as yet another flotilla of lies and violence prepares to set sail from Turkey and Iran to create a maritime pipeline of advanced and ever lethal missiles for Hamas in Gaza to use against Israeli civilians.

FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributor Victor Sharpe is a freelance writer and author of Volumes One and Two of Politicide: The attempted murder of the Jewish state.


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I believe that "In 1978, the Turks sold Cyprus to the British.." is an editorial error.



The above article states, "Many Christians and Jews were treated as second class citizens with no right to hold office in the Ottoman state".

Are you sure of the accuracy of this statement? Most ministers even some primeministers were of Christian origin. When their tenure of office ended they returned to their land of origin. But you already know that, yet you still post this partially misleading article.


didn't post it for its accuracy Deniz..simply to demonstrate how quickly the Israelis kick into action.
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