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[Omer Seyhan]

An extract of Dr Cavit An's research, which I found very interesting.

TMT through sword and fire and under the protection
and cover by the British colonial administration had
practically imposed itself on the T/C. The small and
autonomous groups are forced to submit to TMT’s
authority and control.
At the same time, the British security forces provide
members for TMT. The British, in the context of their
policies, they set up an auxiliary police force made up
entirely and exclusively of T/C which is used to put
down the manifestations of the G/C against the British
colonial administration. As a result, the two
communities are pushed into a confrontation between
themselves and they British presented themselves as
peaceful intermediaries.
The question however is why G/C and T/C failed to see
where the British policy was leading them to.

http://www.cybc.com.cy/html/TMT%20ENGLISH.pdf

[Omer Seyhan]

"From 1958-1974 TMT terrorized the TC community.They killed several TC intellectuals,reporters,[Kudlu Adali]unionists and many progressive TC's who liked friendship and peaceful coexistence between GC's and TC's.One of their victims was Dervis Ali Kavazoglu a unionost,who was assasinated by TMT terrorists together with his GC friend Kostas Misiaoulis.TMT's goal was to destroy any friendship and relationship between GC's and TC's." http://www.topix.com/forum/world/cyprus ... 9COUQOH1LL

[repulsewarrior]

...to be fair Omer, one can say that EOKA also had within its ranks, thugs who used their position to advance their own personal agendas. without detracting from the horrible example of Turkey's actions as an interlocutor you have demonstrated, neither is above the plunder which is the cause of so much pain. in essence, if there is a difference in the "ruling classes" of that period, it is that the Turkish leadership sought to control the social-economy of "Turks", whereas their "Greek" counterparts sought to control it all.

...if Cyprus is a coin, one face is "Turkish" and the other "Greek", both forgot the value by weight of the coin itself in their efforts to erase the significance of each's presence on it, making Cypriots their victims; so it can be said that there are three sides to this story.

[DTA]

...to be fair Omer, one can say that EOKA also had within its ranks, thugs who used their position to advance their own personal agendas. without detracting from the horrible example of Turkey's actions as an interlocutor you have demonstrated, neither is above the plunder which is the cause of so much pain. in essence, if there is a difference in the "ruling classes" of that period, it is that the Turkish leadership sought to control the social-economy of "Turks", whereas their "Greek" counterparts sought to control it all.

...if Cyprus is a coin, one face is "Turkish" and the other "Greek", both forgot the value by weight of the coin itself in their efforts to erase the significance of each's presence on it, making Cypriots their victims; so it can be said that there are three sides to this story.

good post, you are a good guy.

[insan]

...to be fair Omer, one can say that EOKA also had within its ranks, thugs who used their position to advance their own personal agendas. without detracting from the horrible example of Turkey's actions as an interlocutor you have demonstrated, neither is above the plunder which is the cause of so much pain. in essence, if there is a difference in the "ruling classes" of that period, it is that the Turkish leadership sought to control the social-economy of "Turks", whereas their "Greek" counterparts sought to control it all.

...if Cyprus is a coin, one face is "Turkish" and the other "Greek", both forgot the value by weight of the coin itself in their efforts to erase the significance of each's presence on it, making Cypriots their victims; so it can be said that there are three sides to this story.

Usually, Ömer gets involved only with the one side of the story and that is what TMT and Turkey did... Maybe he thinks we know nothing about actions of TMT and Turkey...

However TMT didn't terrorize TC community... As a right-wing controlled underground organization, they terrorized the left-wingers who were against the common natianol cause of then the Turkish government and TC leadership...

What TMT and then the Turkish governments did must be evaluated in frame of then the political circumstances...

In that era, all around the world in western block; right wing controlled governments and their paramilitaries were terrorizing and oppressing left wingers as a consequence of the imperialistic policies of USA backed western block and USSR backed eastern block...

All around the world, the people were grouped either as right winger who supported right wing interests or as left winger who supported left wing interests; local, regional and/or global...

The dominant group/power terrorized/oppressed the weak group in this ideological battle... For left wingers, the "motherland" was Russia so that they struggled and fought for the interests of "mother" Russia because they believed that the interests of working classes can only be obtained and guaranteed by communist principles... but for the right-wingers who were under the heavy influence of rising nationalism, the "motherlands" were either Greece or Turkey which they believed "national interests" and capitalism were the only worth fighting for values...

There wasn't any kıro-kittian uprising in that era yet... Kıro-kittianism, which is believed to be derived from Cypriotism was invented in the last 3-4 years; as you may know one of it's fierce follower is GR who thinks kıro-kittian descended Cypriots r superior to all other God created human beings or nations.

His stupidity has no bounds but he still as a contemporary "Don Külot"(Don Xhiote) struggles and prepare for a military action to "free" Cyprus first from "Turks" then "Ottoman Remnants" and then "Greeks", "Greek Remnants"(Though he has never used such a term)... Brits, Israelis, Americans.. ermm... shortly to say, his aim is to erase anything non-kıro-kittian on surface of Cyprus...

Even he plans to send back all Anatolian origin mouflons back to Konya Karaman...

[Nikitas]

RW is right about EOKA enforcing its will on the GCs with terror.

But the ability to keep a community prisoner by force was weakened in the 70s when the majority of the population opposed EOKA B. The nationalist pro Enosis candidate in the elections got less than 10 per cent of the vote while in many instances there was an armed response by left wingers to EOKA B thuggery.

By contrast the TC community has remained within the lines drawn by TMT. Evidence of this is the land titles of TCs which have been handed over to the "authorities" to use in the negotiations as they see fit. When a community hands its property to the "authorities" that to me is a sign of regimentation and that comes about with terror and/or propaganda.

[insan]

RW is right about EOKA enforcing its will on the GCs with terror.

But the ability to keep a community prisoner by force was weakened in the 70s when the majority of the population opposed EOKA B. The nationalist pro Enosis candidate in the elections got less than 10 per cent of the vote while in many instances there was an armed response by left wingers to EOKA B thuggery.

By contrast the TC community has remained within the lines drawn by TMT. Evidence of this is the land titles of TCs which have been handed over to the "authorities" to use in the negotiations as they see fit. When a community hands its property to the "authorities" that to me is a sign of regimentation and that comes about with terror and/or propaganda.

Most probably, it's because TCs didn't have a very influential Imam like Makarios to pull majority of TC population from one side to the other depending on the changing circumstances and where his personal interests were...

[DTA]

RW is right about EOKA enforcing its will on the GCs with terror.

But the ability to keep a community prisoner by force was weakened in the 70s when the majority of the population opposed EOKA B. The nationalist pro Enosis candidate in the elections got less than 10 per cent of the vote while in many instances there was an armed response by left wingers to EOKA B thuggery.

By contrast the TC community has remained within the lines drawn by TMT. Evidence of this is the land titles of TCs which have been handed over to the "authorities" to use in the negotiations as they see fit. When a community hands its property to the "authorities" that to me is a sign of regimentation and that comes about with terror and/or propaganda.

I respect you but that's not quite what happened was it? They have in their minds exchanged their property in the south for property in the north, not just handed over deeds on mass.

[Nikitas]

IN their minds that might have been a factor. The fact that it happened when it did, with mass participation, shows regimentation and submission to preordained policy.

As to Insan's comment about Makarios, it does not explain the armed response to EOKA B that went on through 1972, to 1974. Did any part of the TC community shoot back at TMT? Were there any public beatings of mainland Turkish military officers? The beating of mainland officers was a problem serious enough for the Greek officers to be told to avoid public venues in the years 1972-1974.

There is an obstinate insistence by TCs to see the GCs as monomaniacs bent on Enosis, when in fact the Enosis idea was firmly abandoned and by 1968 it was obviously rejected by the majority of the GC population.

Both "motherlands" along with others wanted to obliterate independence and that is why they kept up the pressure on Makarios with all kinds of excuses- to one side he was an anti Enosis communist and to the other a fanatic hell bent on Enosis. Facts show that both had conspired to dissolve the RoC and Turkey to this day has this as an official goal which is promoted in the negotiations by all TC leaders, including Talat, with that idiotic idea of "virgin birth".

[BirKibrisli]

...to be fair Omer, one can say that EOKA also had within its ranks, thugs who used their position to advance their own personal agendas. without detracting from the horrible example of Turkey's actions as an interlocutor you have demonstrated, neither is above the plunder which is the cause of so much pain. in essence, if there is a difference in the "ruling classes" of that period, it is that the Turkish leadership sought to control the social-economy of "Turks", whereas their "Greek" counterparts sought to control it all.

...if Cyprus is a coin, one face is "Turkish" and the other "Greek", both forgot the value by weight of the coin itself in their efforts to erase the significance of each's presence on it, making Cypriots their victims; so it can be said that there are three sides to this story.

Usually, Ömer gets involved only with the one side of the story and that is what TMT and Turkey did... Maybe he thinks we know nothing about actions of TMT and Turkey...

However TMT didn't terrorize TC community... As a right-wing controlled underground organization, they terrorized the left-wingers who were against the common natianol cause of then the Turkish government and TC leadership...

What TMT and then the Turkish governments did must be evaluated in frame of then the political circumstances...

In that era, all around the world in western block; right wing controlled governments and their paramilitaries were terrorizing and oppressing left wingers as a consequence of the imperialistic policies of USA backed western block and USSR backed eastern block...

All around the world, the people were grouped either as right winger who supported right wing interests or as left winger who supported left wing interests; local, regional and/or global...

The dominant group/power terrorized/oppressed the weak group in this ideological battle... For left wingers, the "motherland" was Russia so that they struggled and fought for the interests of "mother" Russia because they believed that the interests of working classes can only be obtained and guaranteed by communist principles... but for the right-wingers who were under the heavy influence of rising nationalism, the "motherlands" were either Greece or Turkey which they believed "national interests" and capitalism were the only worth fighting for values...

There wasn't any kıro-kittian uprising in that era yet... Kıro-kittianism, which is believed to be derived from Cypriotism was invented in the last 3-4 years; as you may know one of it's fierce follower is GR who thinks kıro-kittian descended Cypriots r superior to all other God created human beings or nations.

His stupidity has no bounds but he still as a contemporary "Don Külot"(Don Xhiote) struggles and prepare for a military action to "free" Cyprus first from "Turks" then "Ottoman Remnants" and then "Greeks", "Greek Remnants"(Though he has never used such a term)... Brits, Israelis, Americans.. ermm... shortly to say, his aim is to erase anything non-kıro-kittian on surface of Cyprus...

Even he plans to send back all Anatolian origin mouflons back to Konya Karaman...

You might have to explain to non Turkish speakers what "kiro" means in Turkish slang,or they won't get the full effect of the joke....

And our "Omer Seyhan" thinks he is reinventing the wheel again,talking about the TMT...Many of us TCs have talked about the activities of the TMT in an objective and realistic way,but this prized idiot only reads his own posts by he sound of it...