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[halil]

The Society of Martyrs’ Families and Disabled War Veterans has called on the Greek Cypriot Administration to explain the realities to the Greek Cypriot People. The Society President Ertan Ersan complained that the Greek Cypriot Administration has been hiding the realities about 42 Greek Cypriots who went missing between 1963 and 1964.

Ersan’s comments came in response to an article published in the Greek Cypriot daily Filelefteros.
Ersan said that it is not right to accuse the TMT for the fate of 42 Greek Cypriots about whom there is no official information.

He said that the Greek Cypriot Administration has provided no information about those who went missing between 1963 and 1964 just to create an atmosphere that no one went missing during this period in spite of the fact that around 250 Turks and 42 Greek Cypriots disappeared.

He complained that the names of the 42 Greek Cypriots were not included in the list of missing persons prepared in 1981 when the Committee on Missing Persons was established.

He noted that the Committee was informed about the 42 missing persons only at the end of last year.

[Omer Seyhan]

RW is right about EOKA enforcing its will on the GCs with terror.

But the ability to keep a community prisoner by force was weakened in the 70s when the majority of the population opposed EOKA B. The nationalist pro Enosis candidate in the elections got less than 10 per cent of the vote while in many instances there was an armed response by left wingers to EOKA B thuggery.

By contrast the TC community has remained within the lines drawn by TMT. Evidence of this is the land titles of TCs which have been handed over to the "authorities" to use in the negotiations as they see fit. When a community hands its property to the "authorities" that to me is a sign of regimentation and that comes about with terror and/or propaganda.

I agree with this repulse warrior. I was brought up in this community, this is what I know to be true.

There are many Turkish speaking Cypriots who can tell you stories of what the TMT did in our community. It was not all left wingers that they targeted.

[insan]

RW is right about EOKA enforcing its will on the GCs with terror.

But the ability to keep a community prisoner by force was weakened in the 70s when the majority of the population opposed EOKA B. The nationalist pro Enosis candidate in the elections got less than 10 per cent of the vote while in many instances there was an armed response by left wingers to EOKA B thuggery.

By contrast the TC community has remained within the lines drawn by TMT. Evidence of this is the land titles of TCs which have been handed over to the "authorities" to use in the negotiations as they see fit. When a community hands its property to the "authorities" that to me is a sign of regimentation and that comes about with terror and/or propaganda.

There are many Turkish speaking Cypriots who can tell you stories of what the TMT did in our community. It was not all left wingers that they targeted.

True. They sometimes targeted and killed their most praised members because of various reasons such as strong doubt of treachery or interest clash amongst the TMT groups. Some were killed by the order of TMT leaders and some others were killed without the order of TMT leaders...

All happened under then the circumstances ... not only in TC community but in GC community and all around the world as well...

I also agree with Ömer that there are still a small group of fanatic ultra nationalist TCs who pursue the same old fashioned and crassy mentality... These fanatics have nohing directly to do with TMT...

There are so many ex-TMT members who were/are social democrats for a very long time have been writeing articles/present programs in various media companies, tell the stories of TMT, interview other TMT members and give us a lot of insights regarding activities of TMT with it's cons and pros...

Infact, when the activities of TMT are evaluated and analyzed in frame of historical realities; it is judged with then the circumstances(local, regional and global)...

Is Ömer able to judge TMT according to then the circumstances? Yes, but it seems he prefers to ignore then the historical realities and try to judge TMT in his utopic mind by overgeneralizations and exagerrations...

[Omer Seyhan]

RW is right about EOKA enforcing its will on the GCs with terror.

But the ability to keep a community prisoner by force was weakened in the 70s when the majority of the population opposed EOKA B. The nationalist pro Enosis candidate in the elections got less than 10 per cent of the vote while in many instances there was an armed response by left wingers to EOKA B thuggery.

By contrast the TC community has remained within the lines drawn by TMT. Evidence of this is the land titles of TCs which have been handed over to the "authorities" to use in the negotiations as they see fit. When a community hands its property to the "authorities" that to me is a sign of regimentation and that comes about with terror and/or propaganda.

There are many Turkish speaking Cypriots who can tell you stories of what the TMT did in our community. It was not all left wingers that they targeted.

True. They sometimes targeted and killed their most praised members because of various reasons such as strong doubt of treachery or interest clash amongst the TMT groups. Some were killed by the order of TMT leaders and some others were killed without the order of TMT leaders...

All happened under then the circumstances ... not only in TC community but in GC community and all around the world as well...

I also agree with Ömer that there are still a small group of fanatic ultra nationalist TCs who pursue the same old fashioned and crassy mentality... These fanatics have nohing directly to do with TMT...

There are so many ex-TMT members who were/are social democrats for a very long time have been writeing articles/present programs in various media companies, tell the stories of TMT, interview other TMT members and give us a lot of insights regarding activities of TMT with it's cons and pros...

Infact, when the activities of TMT are evaluated and analyzed in frame of historical realities; it is judged with then the circumstances(local, regional and global)...

Is Ömer able to judge TMT according to then the circumstances? Yes, but it seems he prefer ignore then the historical realities and try to judge TMT in his utopic mind by overgeneralizations and exagerrations...

Hold on a second....

You are trying to compare TMT to the IRA of the Republic of Ireland, where there was an armed struggle once, we got partially what we wanted and now ex-members are politicians, lawyers, poets, writers etc in every walk of life. You are presenting TMT as a national struggle.

I'm arguing the opposite. TMT was formed by Turkey. Funded by Turkey, directed by Turkey and its ideology provided by Turkey. The Turkish Cypriot leader of TMT Denktas considers himself a Turk, not a Cypriot and not even a Turkish Cypriot.

This means TMT was not organically produced in Cyprus - it is an imported product and its leader an agent. The fact that many intellectual and educated Turkish Cypriots who were not let wing such as the Cumhuriyet newspaper journalists Hikmet and Gürkan were killed by TMT not to mention anybody who worked with Greek Cypriots demonstrates that TMT was not responding to the need for ethnic segregation in the Turkish Cypriot community but was imposing it by using intimidation, threats and violence against Turkish Cypriots. The use of violence against your own implies that you want to control your own community but have not succeeded fully because support for your ideas is not universe.

The killing of Hikmet and Gürkan in particular is worthy of note because these guys were educated at a time when most Cypriots were not. They represented the cream of Turkish Cypriot intellectual society during their time. Killing them killed intellectualism, free thought, diversity and democracy in the Turkish Cypriot community. TMT killed two men who could have evolved into Cypriot presidents, leaders of the Turkish Cypriot community - the cost to the Turkish Cypriot community of their untimely deaths is colossal.

And my dear we are still suffering from that single incident today...

[BirKibrisli]

Don't forget that nothing is black and white...All good or all evil...TMT's efforts was partly a national struggle for the TCs,to prevent ENOSIS with Greece from happening...And I think you are wrong about the beginnings of the TMT...It was intitated by the Americans and the British who had to drag Turkey into the Cyprus equation in early 50s....I agree with everything else you say about the TMT,except that you overestimate its influence or hold on the TC community...

As a child I was more afraid of my granmother than the TMT man in the village...We were told to dob in anyone in the family who spoke Greek at home,and my grandma could hardly speak Turkish...But never for one minute did I consider dobbing her in,as I knew what she did to dobbers :Made them eat handfuls of red hot chilli peppers...

[Omer Seyhan]

Don't forget that nothing is black and white...All good or all evil...TMT's efforts was partly a national struggle for the TCs,to prevent ENOSIS with Greece from happening...And I think you are wrong about the beginnings of the TMT...It was intitated by the Americans and the British who had to drag Turkey into the Cyprus equation in early 50s....I agree with everything else you say about the TMT,except that you overestimate its influence or hold on the TC community...

As a child I was more afraid of my granmother than the TMT man in the village...We were told to dob in anyone in the family who spoke Greek at home,and my grandma could hardly speak Turkish...But never for one minute did I consider dobbing her in,as I knew what she did to dobbers :Made them eat handfuls of red hot chilli peppers...

Yes but your nene God rest her soul was unique. I wish there were more people like that. But in large parts of the island TMT did intimidate, threaten and use violence against Turkish Cypriots to instill fear so as to command respect.

And the reason it is popular in the community still is because of fear. Yes, those who pretend to be pro-TMT are cowards who want to keep on its good side lest it turns on them. But it is an unhealthy relationship that is doomed to break up....

Let me ask you, how would you feel if your son expressed certain views and TMT threatened him or even allah göstermesin killed him?

Its not a nice question, but there are some Turkish Cypriots whose father, son or brother were killed by TMT and who remember it very well.

[BirKibrisli]

Don't forget that nothing is black and white...All good or all evil...TMT's efforts was partly a national struggle for the TCs,to prevent ENOSIS with Greece from happening...And I think you are wrong about the beginnings of the TMT...It was intitated by the Americans and the British who had to drag Turkey into the Cyprus equation in early 50s....I agree with everything else you say about the TMT,except that you overestimate its influence or hold on the TC community...

As a child I was more afraid of my granmother than the TMT man in the village...We were told to dob in anyone in the family who spoke Greek at home,and my grandma could hardly speak Turkish...But never for one minute did I consider dobbing her in,as I knew what she did to dobbers :Made them eat handfuls of red hot chilli peppers...

Yes but your nene God rest her soul was unique. I wish there were more people like that. But in large parts of the island TMT did intimidate, threaten and use violence against Turkish Cypriots to instill fear so as to command respect.

And the reason it is popular in the community still is because of fear. Yes, those who pretend to be pro-TMT are cowards who want to keep on its good side lest it turns on them. But it is an unhealthy relationship that is doomed to break up....

Let me ask you, how would you feel if your son expressed certain views and TMT threatened him or even allah göstermesin killed him?

Its not a nice question, but there are some Turkish Cypriots whose father, son or brother were killed by TMT and who remember it very well.

I see what the problem is...You have had personal experiences in the family...Which has distorted your opinion on the TMT...I've had my own brushes with them,one of these days when we stop insulting each other,I might tell you...

[repulsewarrior]

in my village, as a young boy, we knew there was a TMT, but they were not visible. however, we did not join the football club, or go to their cafe, knowing that the trouble that would follow had to do with their links to EOKA. no one had to tell us of their danger. for my family, like in any family (Greek or Turkish), our fear and our parent's fear when we went out to play would be that we would become the victims of such extremists in their Ignorance.

living in a "mixed" village (i spit using that word) was an experience which gave all of us a sense of deep gratitude for the beauty that surrounded us. we were not "Greeks" or "Turks", we loved the Heritance our hard work brought us, being close to the land together, and we loved each other just as deeply, as neighbours.

[Omer Seyhan]

Don't forget that nothing is black and white...All good or all evil...TMT's efforts was partly a national struggle for the TCs,to prevent ENOSIS with Greece from happening...And I think you are wrong about the beginnings of the TMT...It was intitated by the Americans and the British who had to drag Turkey into the Cyprus equation in early 50s....I agree with everything else you say about the TMT,except that you overestimate its influence or hold on the TC community...

As a child I was more afraid of my granmother than the TMT man in the village...We were told to dob in anyone in the family who spoke Greek at home,and my grandma could hardly speak Turkish...But never for one minute did I consider dobbing her in,as I knew what she did to dobbers :Made them eat handfuls of red hot chilli peppers...

Yes but your nene God rest her soul was unique. I wish there were more people like that. But in large parts of the island TMT did intimidate, threaten and use violence against Turkish Cypriots to instill fear so as to command respect.

And the reason it is popular in the community still is because of fear. Yes, those who pretend to be pro-TMT are cowards who want to keep on its good side lest it turns on them. But it is an unhealthy relationship that is doomed to break up....

Let me ask you, how would you feel if your son expressed certain views and TMT threatened him or even allah göstermesin killed him?

Its not a nice question, but there are some Turkish Cypriots whose father, son or brother were killed by TMT and who remember it very well.

I see what the problem is...You have had personal experiences in the family...Which has distorted your opinion on the TMT...I've had my own brushes with them,one of these days when we stop insulting each other,I might tell you...

I never had brushes with them nor did my family. But I know many who did suffer.

I highly doubt you have had any brushes with them though....

[B25]

Don't forget that nothing is black and white...All good or all evil...TMT's efforts was partly a national struggle for the TCs,to prevent ENOSIS with Greece from happening...And I think you are wrong about the beginnings of the TMT...It was intitated by the Americans and the British who had to drag Turkey into the Cyprus equation in early 50s....I agree with everything else you say about the TMT,except that you overestimate its influence or hold on the TC community...

As a child I was more afraid of my granmother than the TMT man in the village...We were told to dob in anyone in the family who spoke Greek at home,and my grandma could hardly speak Turkish...But never for one minute did I consider dobbing her in,as I knew what she did to dobbers :Made them eat handfuls of red hot chilli peppers...

Yes but your nene God rest her soul was unique. I wish there were more people like that. But in large parts of the island TMT did intimidate, threaten and use violence against Turkish Cypriots to instill fear so as to command respect.

And the reason it is popular in the community still is because of fear. Yes, those who pretend to be pro-TMT are cowards who want to keep on its good side lest it turns on them. But it is an unhealthy relationship that is doomed to break up....

Let me ask you, how would you feel if your son expressed certain views and TMT threatened him or even allah göstermesin killed him?

Its not a nice question, but there are some Turkish Cypriots whose father, son or brother were killed by TMT and who remember it very well.

I see what the problem is...You have had personal experiences in the family...Which has distorted your opinion on the TMT...I've had my own brushes with them,one of these days when we stop insulting each other,I might tell you...

I never had brushes with them nor did my family. But I know many who did suffer.

I highly doubt you have had any brushes with them though....

Omer, Birs father was one of the TMT generals and Bir (as a child) used to sleep on a bed of an arms stash to hide them.

Bir knows full well about what the murderous TMT did, he is expert in that field.

Omer, you sound like the kind of TC I could live with, bravo keep it up. The other TCs are cursing you (just like we do to Bananiot) because you are telling them a few home truths they don't want to hear. Because to date only the GCs are the evil wrong doers. The TCs are angels in their eyes. Pft.