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[Bananiot]

I borrowed the text below from Gregoris.

"The programme series “My truth” by Soula Hatzikiriakou constitutes a qualitative leap forward for Cybc. For the first time there is such an extended reference and such an open condemnation in g/c television of the crimes committed by g/c nationalist paramilitaries in the period 1963-1974 against t/c civilians. Truths that were known but denied and hidden by the elders for the young not to know in a conspiracy of silence that lasted for decades. Reunification is a process of subversion of the nationalist hegemony. And television, especially the state television is a field of battle. Slowly slowly in this decade we have had some steps forward, some small subversions amidst the more general continuation of the propaganda of partition. First was “Biz-Emeis”, then “We discuss about it” then “Under the same sky”. “My truth” however constitutes a much more progressive programme – it touches upon the most sensitive issues with a boldness that we are unaccustomed to expect on g/c television. Congratulations Soula Hatzikiriakou, good luck and continue with decisiveness.

Reconciliation is a process that starts with the burial of the dead, passes through the condemnation of nationalist crimes and is completed with the creation of a culture of coexistence in education, society, the public sphere, politics. Even if late, the g/c society is making its first steps towards growing up in this decade. Various dirty secrets come up, dark moments, atrocities. It is necessary to talk so that katharsis can come. About the guilt of the paramilitaries and the tolerance and collusion of the state. Really, what can we say about those who unburried, transferred and re-burried the bones of the Tohni massacred in order to prevent the UN from finding them? A society which covers up the crimes and tolerates the unpunished murderers, some of whom are also honoured as fighters is a society that is trapped to its past. In order to move towards the future of peace we must first settle our accounts with our bloodied past. Public condemnation of the crimes and the criminals of the ethnic conflict in Cyprus! The issue is not (any longer) penal, it is however political and urgent. If we want to do the leap forward towards reunification".

Gregoris

[Liontaroui]

Fantastic program- kept me glued to the TV till 4 am. Shame it never came sooner, I think it should be shown in schools. Excellent.

[Acikgoz]

I thought the admittance of guilt by Cameron of the British Government for the Bloody Sunday Massacre is exactly the type of move we need for Cyprus.
In this instance the British govt actually comes out stronger as a result.

These taboos grow to such an extent, even though the truth is known by most, that they pollute all reason and potential for progress.

Respect for the producers for restoring a little faith in making progress as my outlook which had been severly shaken of late - I haven't seen it obviously but from what was described by Bana it is real progress.

[Piratis]

I wonder when TCs will do the same for 1958, when they committed the first massacre and burned down the homes and shops of Greek Cypriots, initiating in this way the conflict that lasted for several years and had as a result the death and suffering of 100s of people from both sides.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30000

It is about time that certain people stop denying the fact that the conflict started in the 50s and not in the 60s. In 1958 there were far more casualties from this conflict than they were in 68,69,70,71,72,73 and 74 (until the Turkish invasion re-initiated the massacres) and yet certain people choose to include 68-74 as part of the conflict but choose to exclude the late 50s which was when the TCs initiated the conflict.

[Bananiot]

Typical response from Piratis who still thinks that the troubles started in 1958 by the others. Nationalist factions in both communities are to blame Piratis and these criminals started sawing the seeds of hate and murder before 1958, as I explained in another thread. Remember the story about Vasilia?

[Get Real!]

Remember the story about Vasilia?

Remember 1570? Don't wear it out...

[Piratis]

Typical response from Piratis who still thinks that the troubles started in 1958 by the others. Nationalist factions in both communities are to blame Piratis and these criminals started sawing the seeds of hate and murder before 1958, as I explained in another thread. Remember the story about Vasilia?

The story that some villagers fought over some wedding invitations and where nobody was killed?

In 1958 was the first massacre and the burning of many shops and homes of Greek Cypriots in an organized attack after broadcasts from Turkey calling TCs to murder GCs and start a civil war. That is when the inter-communal conflict started. Of course there were problems before that also, since 1570 when the Turks first invaded our island, but here were talking about the inter-communal conflict in particular, not problems in general.

The question is why do you want to hide this part of our history and pretend that there was no inter-communal until 1963?

[denizaksulu]

I wonder when TCs will do the same for 1958, when they committed the first massacre and burned down the homes and shops of Greek Cypriots, initiating in this way the conflict that lasted for several years and had as a result the death and suffering of 100s of people from both sides.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30000

It is about time that certain people stop denying the fact that the conflict started in the 50s and not in the 60s. In 1958 there were far more casualties from this conflict than they were in 68,69,70,71,72,73 and 74 (until the Turkish invasion re-initiated the massacres) and yet certain people choose to include 68-74 as part of the conflict but choose to exclude the late 50s which was when the TCs initiated the conflict.

How relevant do you think the beginning date or who started what is to todays peace talks? Always a diversionary tactic by you.

Dont tempt me!!!

[Acikgoz]

Deniz, personally I believe it is healthy. Exorcise the demonds of the past by bringing them out into the open. Let them not haunt all our lives by staying in the shadows.

I think in the north there is healthy scepticism of the actions of TCs and Turkey. TCs know "in general" that they were not white doves of peace, we justify the actions by the situations we found ourselves in, but that doesn't mean we were not complicit in the escalation of the violence. The period of Talat entry and Denktash bashing saw great openness and introspection as to the TC & Turkey's role.

Unfortunately, TCs are reverting as they are finding cause to justify the partition given the tactics of GC powers that be.

Personally what was interesting by the production was the taking of a step toward debunking the general denial that permeates the accounts from the south.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz, personally I believe it is healthy. Exorcise the demonds of the past by bringing them out into the open. Let them not haunt all our lives by staying in the shadows.

I think in the north there is healthy scepticism of the actions of TCs and Turkey. TCs know "in general" that they were not white doves of peace, we justify the actions by the situations we found ourselves in, but that doesn't mean we were not complicit in the escalation of the violence. The period of Talat entry and Denktash bashing saw great openness and introspection as to the TC & Turkey's role.

Unfortunately, TCs are reverting as they are finding cause to justify the partition given the tactics of GC powers that be.

Personally what was interesting by the production was the taking of a step toward debunking the general denial that permeates the accounts from the south.

I hear what you say Umit; nevertheless this has always been Pratis's tactic to use diversions when he cant handle anything too hot.

But heres one for Pratis