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[Piratis]

Pirates,you are kind to suggest TCs are 18 per cent of the population.That was in 1960

Yes, I assume that a number of TCs will return to Cyprus (this will be the case with GCs also) after a solution and that inevitably some Turkish settlers will get the Cypriot citizenship. This is why I say 18%.

In general I agree with you. The 1960 agreements were far from perfect. However it is the only thing agreed so far and it was a compromise from both sides. Expecting that one side will compromise on top of the compromise is unfair. Today is not 1960, but 2005. In the 60s RoC didn't work as it should because GCs didn't care for it (they wanted union with Greece) and TCs didn't care for it either (they wanted partition). I believe that if both sides decide to make the 1960 agreements to work today that this is very possible.

Unfortunately all those settlers that you mentioned above are "TRNC" voters. So Talad and the other TC leaders have to serve their interests also (since without their votes they can not be elected). If you add to that the power of the Turkish army over the TC politicians, then you can see that even if TCs wanted to make such a step they wouldn't be allowed to do it anyways.

[BirKibrisli]

I know,Pirates,that the situation look desperate in Cyprus.The TRNC politicians cannot even open a barricate without approval from Turkey.I sometimes wonder what would happen if all the Tcs said "stuff you we are all going to the South to live",and packed their bags and crossed the line.What would be the reaction of Gcs? What would Turkey's position be re its troops in the North?When Denktash was warned that Turkish Cypriots were leaving in droves he had a famous retort :Turks go,Turks come! Many of us had the feeling that he was guite happy with the situation because those Turks who "came" were considered more Turkish than those who left.In Denktash's time the policy was to have half a million people in the North made up mostly of settlers and some English and Israeli expats.Then any power sharing would be on a 50-50 basis.I am not sure what Talat's position is( Not that he can have a position of his own without Turkish approval),because the present Turkish Government is a different kettle of fish.They are either cunning as a fox playin the EU card knowing they will never be admitted,or very foolish if they think the Army will let them get out of Cyprus in a hurry.But one thing for sure ,time is not running in favour of Cypriots,both Greek or Turkish speaking.We cannot afford another 25 years in the "fridge" as we Turkish cypriots call the present situation.

[Piratis]

Birkibrisli, if more Turkish Cypriots were thinking like you do then the solution of the Cyprus problem would be much easier.

I guess you speak like this because you were not affected by the Denctash brainwashing. Unfortunately Denctash and Turkey managed to convince Turkish Cypriots that they are a different nation that deserve their own separate country.

[sadik]

I guess you speak like this because you were not affected by the Denctash brainwashing. Unfortunately Denctash and Turkey managed to convince Turkish Cypriots that they are a different nation that deserve their own separate country.

Piratis, Denktas does not believe in a seperate country, he believes in partition. Brainwashing is not an easy thing to do. TCs first choice is being part of a reunited Cyprus. I think it can be seen from the opinion polls published that TCs are acception a very wide range of options for a sollution. Of course, Denktas had a strong influence on the events with the help he got both from Turkey and the GCs.

[Piratis]

Piratis, Denktas does not believe in a seperate country, he believes in partition.

I guess what you mean is that partition can be achieved without officially having a separate country, something like Annan plan? This is the partition that Talad wants. Denctash wants a kind of partition that will officially create 2 countries.

TCs first choice is being part of a reunited Cyprus. I think it can be seen from the opinion polls published that TCs are acception a very wide range of options for a sollution.

Do they also accept an option were Cyprus is truly reunited without racist discriminations between GCs and TCs? I know that some TCs would accept this, but I believe they are a small minority. Am I wrong?

[sadik]

I guess what you mean is that partition can be achieved without officially having a separate country, something like Annan plan? This is the partition that Talad wants. Denctash wants a kind of partition that will officially create 2 countries.

Piratis, Talat did accept the one and only available proposal for settlement when he was in the office. He did support all the prior UN proposals as well. I don't like some of the things he said either and I personally think he should pay more attention to what the GCs want and to the GC public opinion. However, I think his record is pretty clear.

By trying to simply reduce Talat to another Denktas, in essence, you are trying to prove that "they" are all the same, they never change, they all have the same opinion and there is no point in talking to them. This is not only aganist the nature, its also not conducive to a solution. This is also exactly what P. is trying to do. I remember P. saying that they will not pressure Turkey for a solution during its EU accession process, because solution is a stick and you don't know who it will hit. Is he affraid that the TCs (and Talat) may again accept a solution proposal that would be put forward?

[Piratis]

Piratis, Talat did accept the one and only available proposal for settlement when he was in the office.

What he accepted was a partition plan. Would he accept something that would truly reunify Cyprus, like the return to the 1960 agreements?

By trying to simply reduce Talat to another Denktas, in essence, you are trying to prove that "they" are all the same, they never change, they all have the same opinion and there is no point in talking to them.

No, I didn't say that they are all the same. However I am convinced that the majority of TCs would not support anything that would truly re-unify the island.
Most of them think that there is a part of Cyprus (north) that belongs more to them than it belongs to GCs, which could not be further from the truth.