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[insan]

You got 2 things wrong with our arguments....

One: The younger generation who has imbibed the hatred and the bitterness is,if anything,less interested in living together...They know nothing else than the present situation and most are too happy to stay apart...

TWO: Those of us who lived in Cyprus during the 50s and 60s and 70s are not living in a time warp...We know what it was like before the mindless conflict started,and most of us had also good memories of friendship nd living together or side by side with the "other"...

Those of you who think the best policy is to forget and forgive are grossly mistaken...Sweeping problems like this under the carpet has never worked anywhere in the past...People and communities have long and collective consciences..We need to make a concerted effort to deal with what happened in an objective and realistic matter...The best thing we can do is to establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to get to the bottom of eveything,bring closure to a lot of pain and heartache,provide people with a platform to be heard and ackowledged...The worst thing about this is to be told that your pain and suffering were imaginary,or self-inflicted for certain political or strategic gain or whatever...A lot of that is happeneing on this Forum,and the culprits are essentially people who learnt of the events from pure propaganda channels....I sometimes lament the passing and wasting of so many years,during which both sides simply reinforced the historical enmity and the prejudices...

I totally 100% agree with you on the idea of a Truth and Reconciliation Committee. I think it is long overdue and I think perpetrators of war crimes should still be hunted / punished in accordance with the law.

However, your approach is wrong.

Why?

Because either you are innocently politically naive or you know what constraints exist but you seek to deliberately ignore them for a dark and murky reason.

Ask yourself: To what extent was the inter-communal conflict organically grown in Cyprus where Cypriots coexisted happily for 500 years? Did Cypriots not unite during WW2, the Union Strikes of the 1920s? Where did the inspiration, arms etc come from for EOKA and TMT? What are the CIA's, MI6s role in all this? What did Nato members Greece / Turkey do? How does Cyprus relate to Ergenekon? How does what Ergenekon did in Turkey relate to Cyprus?

In truth and reconciliation, these questions above will need answers, and the answers may not be to the liking of certain political figures..... dare I say it Rauf Denktash and many others....

One man, Martin Packard author of "Getting it Wrong" has wrote a uniquely superb book on Britain / America's role in Cyprus - a role which is far from positive. Others such as Dr Ahmet Cavit An (author of TMT'nin Kurbanlari) has written books on Turkey's clandestine involvement in setting up TMT and putting it against G/Cs, others I'm sure have focused on Greece and the influence of Greek American CIAmen on the junta.

Answers to the above questions will not only "Karıştır Ortalığı" as we say in Turkish or turn everything upside down but will shame the UK, Greece and Turkey against whom the Cypriots will unite and turn.

Does this inspire them to do it?

This is why Truth and Reconciliation at this moment in time will not occur as a state policy, as TRNC is run by Turkey and the RoC does not want to lose Greece's support and antagonise Britain and America. Therefore the state will not encourage it.

Truth and Reconciliation can only begin from bottom up, from the people like you and me, putting pressure on governments, lobbying, working together and building bridges, and conducting independent research. This is something Sevgul Uludag, a Turkish speaking Cypriot journalist already does and has won many awards for. Have you read "Oysters of the Missing Pearls"?

Well,at least we agreed on something...
The truth has to come out,however painful it is,and then reconciliation can begin...Ahmet Cavit is a personal friend of mine and I have read many of his books and articles...And yes I have read Uludag's Incisini Kaybeden Istiridyeler...In the original,unlike you...Now stop pretending that you speak Turkish,and get on with my challenge...You need to spell out step by step how we will find a solution given the realities on the ground...
If you have no idea,it is okey to say so...We need dreamers and idealists like you too....Nothing can be achived without dreaming about it first...

What difference does it make if I read the book in Turkish or English, surely, its the message thats important?

And I'm meaning to ask, why do I bother you so much? If you don't support my ideas argue against them. If you can't tolerate me then ignore me and talk to somebody else.....

And why do you keep asking me to speak Turkish with you? Evet, ben de Türkçe konuşabilirim, ne oldu? Ama burada tek Ingilizce konuşmamız gerekir...

Because you pretend to be of Turkish Cypriot origin,and I can't stand people who have false pretensions...The Turkish you wrote above is not coming from someone whose mother tongue is Turkish...Why don't you come clean and tell us who you are and where you learnt your Turkish????
It is of little importance what you are,as long as you don't try to deceive us...Got it???

The Turkish I wrote is normal everyday Standard Turkish.....perhaps you prefer Cypriot-Turkish? I can do Azeri as well....

Hows this for Turkish....

Avustralyaya bir gelirsam senin o avatarlarını götüne sokacam dal yarak...

Everyday standard Turkish spoken (or written I should say) by someone whose mother tongue is not Turkish...You can only immitate Turco-Cypriot,but you are not flloing me,sunshine...

Gel be ibne, gel da kimin gotune kimin ne sokacagini gosteririm sana, ve banaiyan bile kurtaramayacak seni...

Psss kuş beyinli... kimden dolayı vatandaşlarımız yurt dışına gidiyor?

Beyaz Türk, memleketini kim kontrol eder acaba Rum yoksa Karasakal? Kos Kocaman TC nasıl olurda ambargoları KALDIRAMADI? Nasıl da 36 seneden sonra TC KKTC'yi dünyaya TANITAMADI?

Eğer biz EOKA'dan gerçekten çok çektiğimiz acılar varsa, o zaman neden Denktaş yirmi senenin içinde Avrupa İnsan Hakları Mahkemesine (AİHM) hiç GiTMEDi??

Acaba...istemediler çünkü kendi yaptıkları daha kötüdür.......

PS: Ipne mi? Ha...Ben Qantas'la gelirsam oraya seni öyle bir çevirerek çevirerek sikecim ki anneciğin bile tanımayacak seni. Cahil bilgisiz psikopat seni...

Ipne degil Ibne...Dogru durust Turkce ogrenmeden bir daha karsima gelme,Orospu cocugu...

Sorry Bir but now I'm begining to have doubts about your Turkish Cypriotness... TCs do pronounce ibne as ipne. Turks of Turkey pronounce it as ibne... besides we pronounce orospu as orosbu... likewise patates as badadez...

Ömer too has many pronounciation errors with his TC dialect but i think this is natural for all TCs who have been living abroad for a long while... Even Deniz who more frequently writes with TC dialect does many errors by pronouncing(typing) words as they are written in official Turkish... So it's better for u to stop challenging on TC dialect or Turkish language with Ömer because u too r inadequate on it...

Ah,but I was putting him in his place...So I picked on his Turkish,knowing well I was speaking/writing Turkish Turkish...But you are right,I've worked as Turkish translator/interpreter in another life,and I had to adjust my Turkish to those I was interpreting for...which were mostly Turks or Kurds from Turkey...These days I have to work hard to speak/write Cypriot Turkish ...like....be sogme adamin anasina sonra duracak galpcigi be gavollem...

Ha yaşşa! Aha ovle gonuşağang banga ki deyim hakiki Kıprıslısıng.

Ps: When will you add Turkish language support to your keybord? It's very easy...

[BirKibrisli]

So what one letter, big deal? You got the message though right...?

But does this sound Turkish "ve banaiyan bile..."?

Babasının piçi, senin yedi sülaneni sikerim, senin ilk gidecek yerin cehennem olsun insallah pis TMT'ci pezevenk seni....

Be vatan haini gel buraya ameliyat ederim seni...

Calm down,Omer...I am convinced you are a TC...Ibne is Turkish Turkish ,Ipne is Cypriot Turkish...So something good has come out of this...Sorry about insulting your mother,and I appreciate your not coming back insulting my mother...I was trying to teach you a lesson...I am old enough to be your father probably,so the lesson is :If you want to insult someone you should be prepared to throw a knockout punch...You truly remind me of me when I first came onto this Forum...If you get some time go and read some of my earlier posts from 2005-2009...Better still read this:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ht=istinco

It will be an eyeopener for you....

[Omer Seyhan]

You got 2 things wrong with our arguments....

One: The younger generation who has imbibed the hatred and the bitterness is,if anything,less interested in living together...They know nothing else than the present situation and most are too happy to stay apart...

TWO: Those of us who lived in Cyprus during the 50s and 60s and 70s are not living in a time warp...We know what it was like before the mindless conflict started,and most of us had also good memories of friendship nd living together or side by side with the "other"...

Those of you who think the best policy is to forget and forgive are grossly mistaken...Sweeping problems like this under the carpet has never worked anywhere in the past...People and communities have long and collective consciences..We need to make a concerted effort to deal with what happened in an objective and realistic matter...The best thing we can do is to establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to get to the bottom of eveything,bring closure to a lot of pain and heartache,provide people with a platform to be heard and ackowledged...The worst thing about this is to be told that your pain and suffering were imaginary,or self-inflicted for certain political or strategic gain or whatever...A lot of that is happeneing on this Forum,and the culprits are essentially people who learnt of the events from pure propaganda channels....I sometimes lament the passing and wasting of so many years,during which both sides simply reinforced the historical enmity and the prejudices...

I totally 100% agree with you on the idea of a Truth and Reconciliation Committee. I think it is long overdue and I think perpetrators of war crimes should still be hunted / punished in accordance with the law.

However, your approach is wrong.

Why?

Because either you are innocently politically naive or you know what constraints exist but you seek to deliberately ignore them for a dark and murky reason.

Ask yourself: To what extent was the inter-communal conflict organically grown in Cyprus where Cypriots coexisted happily for 500 years? Did Cypriots not unite during WW2, the Union Strikes of the 1920s? Where did the inspiration, arms etc come from for EOKA and TMT? What are the CIA's, MI6s role in all this? What did Nato members Greece / Turkey do? How does Cyprus relate to Ergenekon? How does what Ergenekon did in Turkey relate to Cyprus?

In truth and reconciliation, these questions above will need answers, and the answers may not be to the liking of certain political figures..... dare I say it Rauf Denktash and many others....

One man, Martin Packard author of "Getting it Wrong" has wrote a uniquely superb book on Britain / America's role in Cyprus - a role which is far from positive. Others such as Dr Ahmet Cavit An (author of TMT'nin Kurbanlari) has written books on Turkey's clandestine involvement in setting up TMT and putting it against G/Cs, others I'm sure have focused on Greece and the influence of Greek American CIAmen on the junta.

Answers to the above questions will not only "Karıştır Ortalığı" as we say in Turkish or turn everything upside down but will shame the UK, Greece and Turkey against whom the Cypriots will unite and turn.

Does this inspire them to do it?

This is why Truth and Reconciliation at this moment in time will not occur as a state policy, as TRNC is run by Turkey and the RoC does not want to lose Greece's support and antagonise Britain and America. Therefore the state will not encourage it.

Truth and Reconciliation can only begin from bottom up, from the people like you and me, putting pressure on governments, lobbying, working together and building bridges, and conducting independent research. This is something Sevgul Uludag, a Turkish speaking Cypriot journalist already does and has won many awards for. Have you read "Oysters of the Missing Pearls"?

Well,at least we agreed on something...
The truth has to come out,however painful it is,and then reconciliation can begin...Ahmet Cavit is a personal friend of mine and I have read many of his books and articles...And yes I have read Uludag's Incisini Kaybeden Istiridyeler...In the original,unlike you...Now stop pretending that you speak Turkish,and get on with my challenge...You need to spell out step by step how we will find a solution given the realities on the ground...
If you have no idea,it is okey to say so...We need dreamers and idealists like you too....Nothing can be achived without dreaming about it first...

What difference does it make if I read the book in Turkish or English, surely, its the message thats important?

And I'm meaning to ask, why do I bother you so much? If you don't support my ideas argue against them. If you can't tolerate me then ignore me and talk to somebody else.....

And why do you keep asking me to speak Turkish with you? Evet, ben de Türkçe konuşabilirim, ne oldu? Ama burada tek Ingilizce konuşmamız gerekir...

Because you pretend to be of Turkish Cypriot origin,and I can't stand people who have false pretensions...The Turkish you wrote above is not coming from someone whose mother tongue is Turkish...Why don't you come clean and tell us who you are and where you learnt your Turkish????
It is of little importance what you are,as long as you don't try to deceive us...Got it???

The Turkish I wrote is normal everyday Standard Turkish.....perhaps you prefer Cypriot-Turkish? I can do Azeri as well....

Hows this for Turkish....

Avustralyaya bir gelirsam senin o avatarlarını götüne sokacam dal yarak...

Everyday standard Turkish spoken (or written I should say) by someone whose mother tongue is not Turkish...You can only immitate Turco-Cypriot,but you are not flloing me,sunshine...

Gel be ibne, gel da kimin gotune kimin ne sokacagini gosteririm sana, ve banaiyan bile kurtaramayacak seni...

Psss kuş beyinli... kimden dolayı vatandaşlarımız yurt dışına gidiyor?

Beyaz Türk, memleketini kim kontrol eder acaba Rum yoksa Karasakal? Kos Kocaman TC nasıl olurda ambargoları KALDIRAMADI? Nasıl da 36 seneden sonra TC KKTC'yi dünyaya TANITAMADI?

Eğer biz EOKA'dan gerçekten çok çektiğimiz acılar varsa, o zaman neden Denktaş yirmi senenin içinde Avrupa İnsan Hakları Mahkemesine (AİHM) hiç GiTMEDi??

Acaba...istemediler çünkü kendi yaptıkları daha kötüdür.......

PS: Ipne mi? Ha...Ben Qantas'la gelirsam oraya seni öyle bir çevirerek çevirerek sikecim ki anneciğin bile tanımayacak seni. Cahil bilgisiz psikopat seni...

Ipne degil Ibne...Dogru durust Turkce ogrenmeden bir daha karsima gelme,Orospu cocugu...

Sorry Bir but now I'm begining to have doubts about your Turkish Cypriotness... TCs do pronounce ibne as ipne. Turks of Turkey pronounce it as ibne... besides we pronounce orospu as orosbu... likewise patates as badadez...

Ömer too has many pronounciation errors with his TC dialect but i think this is natural for all TCs who have been living abroad for a long while... Even Deniz who more frequently writes with TC dialect does many errors by pronouncing(typing) words as they are written in official Turkish... So it's better for u to stop challenging on TC dialect or Turkish language with Ömer because u too r inadequate on it...

Ah,but I was putting him in his place...So I picked on his Turkish,knowing well I was speaking/writing Turkish Turkish...But you are right,I've worked as Turkish translator/interpreter in another life,and I had to adjust my Turkish to those I was interpreting for...which were mostly Turks or Kurds from Turkey...These days I have to work hard to speak/write Cypriot Turkish ...like....be sogme adamin anasina sonra duracak galpcigi be gavollem...

O orospu anan gebersin insallah...

[insan]

You got 2 things wrong with our arguments....

One: The younger generation who has imbibed the hatred and the bitterness is,if anything,less interested in living together...They know nothing else than the present situation and most are too happy to stay apart...

TWO: Those of us who lived in Cyprus during the 50s and 60s and 70s are not living in a time warp...We know what it was like before the mindless conflict started,and most of us had also good memories of friendship nd living together or side by side with the "other"...

Those of you who think the best policy is to forget and forgive are grossly mistaken...Sweeping problems like this under the carpet has never worked anywhere in the past...People and communities have long and collective consciences..We need to make a concerted effort to deal with what happened in an objective and realistic matter...The best thing we can do is to establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to get to the bottom of eveything,bring closure to a lot of pain and heartache,provide people with a platform to be heard and ackowledged...The worst thing about this is to be told that your pain and suffering were imaginary,or self-inflicted for certain political or strategic gain or whatever...A lot of that is happeneing on this Forum,and the culprits are essentially people who learnt of the events from pure propaganda channels....I sometimes lament the passing and wasting of so many years,during which both sides simply reinforced the historical enmity and the prejudices...

I totally 100% agree with you on the idea of a Truth and Reconciliation Committee. I think it is long overdue and I think perpetrators of war crimes should still be hunted / punished in accordance with the law.

However, your approach is wrong.

Why?

Because either you are innocently politically naive or you know what constraints exist but you seek to deliberately ignore them for a dark and murky reason.

Ask yourself: To what extent was the inter-communal conflict organically grown in Cyprus where Cypriots coexisted happily for 500 years? Did Cypriots not unite during WW2, the Union Strikes of the 1920s? Where did the inspiration, arms etc come from for EOKA and TMT? What are the CIA's, MI6s role in all this? What did Nato members Greece / Turkey do? How does Cyprus relate to Ergenekon? How does what Ergenekon did in Turkey relate to Cyprus?

In truth and reconciliation, these questions above will need answers, and the answers may not be to the liking of certain political figures..... dare I say it Rauf Denktash and many others....

One man, Martin Packard author of "Getting it Wrong" has wrote a uniquely superb book on Britain / America's role in Cyprus - a role which is far from positive. Others such as Dr Ahmet Cavit An (author of TMT'nin Kurbanlari) has written books on Turkey's clandestine involvement in setting up TMT and putting it against G/Cs, others I'm sure have focused on Greece and the influence of Greek American CIAmen on the junta.

Answers to the above questions will not only "Karıştır Ortalığı" as we say in Turkish or turn everything upside down but will shame the UK, Greece and Turkey against whom the Cypriots will unite and turn.

Does this inspire them to do it?

This is why Truth and Reconciliation at this moment in time will not occur as a state policy, as TRNC is run by Turkey and the RoC does not want to lose Greece's support and antagonise Britain and America. Therefore the state will not encourage it.

Truth and Reconciliation can only begin from bottom up, from the people like you and me, putting pressure on governments, lobbying, working together and building bridges, and conducting independent research. This is something Sevgul Uludag, a Turkish speaking Cypriot journalist already does and has won many awards for. Have you read "Oysters of the Missing Pearls"?

Well,at least we agreed on something...
The truth has to come out,however painful it is,and then reconciliation can begin...Ahmet Cavit is a personal friend of mine and I have read many of his books and articles...And yes I have read Uludag's Incisini Kaybeden Istiridyeler...In the original,unlike you...Now stop pretending that you speak Turkish,and get on with my challenge...You need to spell out step by step how we will find a solution given the realities on the ground...
If you have no idea,it is okey to say so...We need dreamers and idealists like you too....Nothing can be achived without dreaming about it first...

What difference does it make if I read the book in Turkish or English, surely, its the message thats important?

And I'm meaning to ask, why do I bother you so much? If you don't support my ideas argue against them. If you can't tolerate me then ignore me and talk to somebody else.....

And why do you keep asking me to speak Turkish with you? Evet, ben de Türkçe konuşabilirim, ne oldu? Ama burada tek Ingilizce konuşmamız gerekir...

Because you pretend to be of Turkish Cypriot origin,and I can't stand people who have false pretensions...The Turkish you wrote above is not coming from someone whose mother tongue is Turkish...Why don't you come clean and tell us who you are and where you learnt your Turkish????
It is of little importance what you are,as long as you don't try to deceive us...Got it???

The Turkish I wrote is normal everyday Standard Turkish.....perhaps you prefer Cypriot-Turkish? I can do Azeri as well....

Hows this for Turkish....

Avustralyaya bir gelirsam senin o avatarlarını götüne sokacam dal yarak...

Everyday standard Turkish spoken (or written I should say) by someone whose mother tongue is not Turkish...You can only immitate Turco-Cypriot,but you are not flloing me,sunshine...

Gel be ibne, gel da kimin gotune kimin ne sokacagini gosteririm sana, ve banaiyan bile kurtaramayacak seni...

Psss kuş beyinli... kimden dolayı vatandaşlarımız yurt dışına gidiyor?

Beyaz Türk, memleketini kim kontrol eder acaba Rum yoksa Karasakal? Kos Kocaman TC nasıl olurda ambargoları KALDIRAMADI? Nasıl da 36 seneden sonra TC KKTC'yi dünyaya TANITAMADI?

Eğer biz EOKA'dan gerçekten çok çektiğimiz acılar varsa, o zaman neden Denktaş yirmi senenin içinde Avrupa İnsan Hakları Mahkemesine (AİHM) hiç GiTMEDi??

Acaba...istemediler çünkü kendi yaptıkları daha kötüdür.......

PS: Ipne mi? Ha...Ben Qantas'la gelirsam oraya seni öyle bir çevirerek çevirerek sikecim ki anneciğin bile tanımayacak seni. Cahil bilgisiz psikopat seni...

Ipne degil Ibne...Dogru durust Turkce ogrenmeden bir daha karsima gelme,Orospu cocugu...

Sorry Bir but now I'm begining to have doubts about your Turkish Cypriotness... TCs do pronounce ibne as ipne. Turks of Turkey pronounce it as ibne... besides we pronounce orospu as orosbu... likewise patates as badadez...

Ömer too has many pronounciation errors with his TC dialect but i think this is natural for all TCs who have been living abroad for a long while... Even Deniz who more frequently writes with TC dialect does many errors by pronouncing(typing) words as they are written in official Turkish... So it's better for u to stop challenging on TC dialect or Turkish language with Ömer because u too r inadequate on it...

Ah,but I was putting him in his place...So I picked on his Turkish,knowing well I was speaking/writing Turkish Turkish...But you are right,I've worked as Turkish translator/interpreter in another life,and I had to adjust my Turkish to those I was interpreting for...which were mostly Turks or Kurds from Turkey...These days I have to work hard to speak/write Cypriot Turkish ...like....be sogme adamin anasina sonra duracak galpcigi be gavollem...

O orospu anan gebersin insallah...

E yeter be Ömer gardaş! Çocuklar gibin seviyesiz şekilde söversingiz birbiringize...

Sıçırtdıngız rahmetliği be gavvolem! Yakışır mı yavu sizing gibi entellekdüel adamlara böyle sövüşmek?

[BirKibrisli]

Ps: When will you add Turkish language support to your keybord? It's very easy...

I tried but my keyboard went besserk and I couldn't write in English even...If you know and easy way PM me some instructions and I will try again...Thanks...

[BirKibrisli]

O orospu anan gebersin insallah...

Vallaha insan' dedigi gibi yakismadi bize be Omer...hade bosver,annem daha yasiyor be ve 90 yasindadir..Birak gadini da yasasin biraz daha,zaten herseyini gaybetti Gibrizda zavallim...Hade gel barisalim,gozlerinden operim...karasakallarin dedigi gibi...garasakallarin yani....

[Omer Seyhan]

You got 2 things wrong with our arguments....

One: The younger generation who has imbibed the hatred and the bitterness is,if anything,less interested in living together...They know nothing else than the present situation and most are too happy to stay apart...

TWO: Those of us who lived in Cyprus during the 50s and 60s and 70s are not living in a time warp...We know what it was like before the mindless conflict started,and most of us had also good memories of friendship nd living together or side by side with the "other"...

Those of you who think the best policy is to forget and forgive are grossly mistaken...Sweeping problems like this under the carpet has never worked anywhere in the past...People and communities have long and collective consciences..We need to make a concerted effort to deal with what happened in an objective and realistic matter...The best thing we can do is to establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to get to the bottom of eveything,bring closure to a lot of pain and heartache,provide people with a platform to be heard and ackowledged...The worst thing about this is to be told that your pain and suffering were imaginary,or self-inflicted for certain political or strategic gain or whatever...A lot of that is happeneing on this Forum,and the culprits are essentially people who learnt of the events from pure propaganda channels....I sometimes lament the passing and wasting of so many years,during which both sides simply reinforced the historical enmity and the prejudices...

I totally 100% agree with you on the idea of a Truth and Reconciliation Committee. I think it is long overdue and I think perpetrators of war crimes should still be hunted / punished in accordance with the law.

However, your approach is wrong.

Why?

Because either you are innocently politically naive or you know what constraints exist but you seek to deliberately ignore them for a dark and murky reason.

Ask yourself: To what extent was the inter-communal conflict organically grown in Cyprus where Cypriots coexisted happily for 500 years? Did Cypriots not unite during WW2, the Union Strikes of the 1920s? Where did the inspiration, arms etc come from for EOKA and TMT? What are the CIA's, MI6s role in all this? What did Nato members Greece / Turkey do? How does Cyprus relate to Ergenekon? How does what Ergenekon did in Turkey relate to Cyprus?

In truth and reconciliation, these questions above will need answers, and the answers may not be to the liking of certain political figures..... dare I say it Rauf Denktash and many others....

One man, Martin Packard author of "Getting it Wrong" has wrote a uniquely superb book on Britain / America's role in Cyprus - a role which is far from positive. Others such as Dr Ahmet Cavit An (author of TMT'nin Kurbanlari) has written books on Turkey's clandestine involvement in setting up TMT and putting it against G/Cs, others I'm sure have focused on Greece and the influence of Greek American CIAmen on the junta.

Answers to the above questions will not only "Karıştır Ortalığı" as we say in Turkish or turn everything upside down but will shame the UK, Greece and Turkey against whom the Cypriots will unite and turn.

Does this inspire them to do it?

This is why Truth and Reconciliation at this moment in time will not occur as a state policy, as TRNC is run by Turkey and the RoC does not want to lose Greece's support and antagonise Britain and America. Therefore the state will not encourage it.

Truth and Reconciliation can only begin from bottom up, from the people like you and me, putting pressure on governments, lobbying, working together and building bridges, and conducting independent research. This is something Sevgul Uludag, a Turkish speaking Cypriot journalist already does and has won many awards for. Have you read "Oysters of the Missing Pearls"?

Well,at least we agreed on something...
The truth has to come out,however painful it is,and then reconciliation can begin...Ahmet Cavit is a personal friend of mine and I have read many of his books and articles...And yes I have read Uludag's Incisini Kaybeden Istiridyeler...In the original,unlike you...Now stop pretending that you speak Turkish,and get on with my challenge...You need to spell out step by step how we will find a solution given the realities on the ground...
If you have no idea,it is okey to say so...We need dreamers and idealists like you too....Nothing can be achived without dreaming about it first...

What difference does it make if I read the book in Turkish or English, surely, its the message thats important?

And I'm meaning to ask, why do I bother you so much? If you don't support my ideas argue against them. If you can't tolerate me then ignore me and talk to somebody else.....

And why do you keep asking me to speak Turkish with you? Evet, ben de Türkçe konuşabilirim, ne oldu? Ama burada tek Ingilizce konuşmamız gerekir...

Because you pretend to be of Turkish Cypriot origin,and I can't stand people who have false pretensions...The Turkish you wrote above is not coming from someone whose mother tongue is Turkish...Why don't you come clean and tell us who you are and where you learnt your Turkish????
It is of little importance what you are,as long as you don't try to deceive us...Got it???

The Turkish I wrote is normal everyday Standard Turkish.....perhaps you prefer Cypriot-Turkish? I can do Azeri as well....

Hows this for Turkish....

Avustralyaya bir gelirsam senin o avatarlarını götüne sokacam dal yarak...

Everyday standard Turkish spoken (or written I should say) by someone whose mother tongue is not Turkish...You can only immitate Turco-Cypriot,but you are not flloing me,sunshine...

Gel be ibne, gel da kimin gotune kimin ne sokacagini gosteririm sana, ve banaiyan bile kurtaramayacak seni...

Psss kuş beyinli... kimden dolayı vatandaşlarımız yurt dışına gidiyor?

Beyaz Türk, memleketini kim kontrol eder acaba Rum yoksa Karasakal? Kos Kocaman TC nasıl olurda ambargoları KALDIRAMADI? Nasıl da 36 seneden sonra TC KKTC'yi dünyaya TANITAMADI?

Eğer biz EOKA'dan gerçekten çok çektiğimiz acılar varsa, o zaman neden Denktaş yirmi senenin içinde Avrupa İnsan Hakları Mahkemesine (AİHM) hiç GiTMEDi??

Acaba...istemediler çünkü kendi yaptıkları daha kötüdür.......

PS: Ipne mi? Ha...Ben Qantas'la gelirsam oraya seni öyle bir çevirerek çevirerek sikecim ki anneciğin bile tanımayacak seni. Cahil bilgisiz psikopat seni...

Ipne degil Ibne...Dogru durust Turkce ogrenmeden bir daha karsima gelme,Orospu cocugu...

Sorry Bir but now I'm begining to have doubts about your Turkish Cypriotness... TCs do pronounce ibne as ipne. Turks of Turkey pronounce it as ibne... besides we pronounce orospu as orosbu... likewise patates as badadez...

Ömer too has many pronounciation errors with his TC dialect but i think this is natural for all TCs who have been living abroad for a long while... Even Deniz who more frequently writes with TC dialect does many errors by pronouncing(typing) words as they are written in official Turkish... So it's better for u to stop challenging on TC dialect or Turkish language with Ömer because u too r inadequate on it...

Ah,but I was putting him in his place...So I picked on his Turkish,knowing well I was speaking/writing Turkish Turkish...But you are right,I've worked as Turkish translator/interpreter in another life,and I had to adjust my Turkish to those I was interpreting for...which were mostly Turks or Kurds from Turkey...These days I have to work hard to speak/write Cypriot Turkish ...like....be sogme adamin anasina sonra duracak galpcigi be gavollem...

O orospu anan gebersin insallah...

E yeter be Ömer gardaş! Çocuklar gibin seviyesiz şekilde söversingiz birbiringize...

Sıçırtdıngız rahmetliği be gavvolem! Yakışır mı yavu sizing gibi entellekdüel adamlara böyle sövüşmek?

Cevap vermek istemiyorum, ama sürekli sürekli bu köpek beni provoke eder... ama şimdi gösterecem gene

[insan]

O orospu anan gebersin insallah...

Vallaha insan' dedigi gibi yakismadi bize be Omer...hade bosver,annem daha yasiyor be ve 90 yasindadir..Birak gadini da yasasin biraz daha,zaten herseyini gaybetti Gibrizda zavallim...Hade gel barisalim,gozlerinden operim...karasakallarin dedigi gibi...garasakallarin yani....

Yaşşa be Bir gardaş! Böyüklük sende galsın gene! Gerçi boş yere fazla hırpaladıng Ömerciği!

[insan]

You got 2 things wrong with our arguments....

One: The younger generation who has imbibed the hatred and the bitterness is,if anything,less interested in living together...They know nothing else than the present situation and most are too happy to stay apart...

TWO: Those of us who lived in Cyprus during the 50s and 60s and 70s are not living in a time warp...We know what it was like before the mindless conflict started,and most of us had also good memories of friendship nd living together or side by side with the "other"...

Those of you who think the best policy is to forget and forgive are grossly mistaken...Sweeping problems like this under the carpet has never worked anywhere in the past...People and communities have long and collective consciences..We need to make a concerted effort to deal with what happened in an objective and realistic matter...The best thing we can do is to establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to get to the bottom of eveything,bring closure to a lot of pain and heartache,provide people with a platform to be heard and ackowledged...The worst thing about this is to be told that your pain and suffering were imaginary,or self-inflicted for certain political or strategic gain or whatever...A lot of that is happeneing on this Forum,and the culprits are essentially people who learnt of the events from pure propaganda channels....I sometimes lament the passing and wasting of so many years,during which both sides simply reinforced the historical enmity and the prejudices...

I totally 100% agree with you on the idea of a Truth and Reconciliation Committee. I think it is long overdue and I think perpetrators of war crimes should still be hunted / punished in accordance with the law.

However, your approach is wrong.

Why?

Because either you are innocently politically naive or you know what constraints exist but you seek to deliberately ignore them for a dark and murky reason.

Ask yourself: To what extent was the inter-communal conflict organically grown in Cyprus where Cypriots coexisted happily for 500 years? Did Cypriots not unite during WW2, the Union Strikes of the 1920s? Where did the inspiration, arms etc come from for EOKA and TMT? What are the CIA's, MI6s role in all this? What did Nato members Greece / Turkey do? How does Cyprus relate to Ergenekon? How does what Ergenekon did in Turkey relate to Cyprus?

In truth and reconciliation, these questions above will need answers, and the answers may not be to the liking of certain political figures..... dare I say it Rauf Denktash and many others....

One man, Martin Packard author of "Getting it Wrong" has wrote a uniquely superb book on Britain / America's role in Cyprus - a role which is far from positive. Others such as Dr Ahmet Cavit An (author of TMT'nin Kurbanlari) has written books on Turkey's clandestine involvement in setting up TMT and putting it against G/Cs, others I'm sure have focused on Greece and the influence of Greek American CIAmen on the junta.

Answers to the above questions will not only "Karıştır Ortalığı" as we say in Turkish or turn everything upside down but will shame the UK, Greece and Turkey against whom the Cypriots will unite and turn.

Does this inspire them to do it?

This is why Truth and Reconciliation at this moment in time will not occur as a state policy, as TRNC is run by Turkey and the RoC does not want to lose Greece's support and antagonise Britain and America. Therefore the state will not encourage it.

Truth and Reconciliation can only begin from bottom up, from the people like you and me, putting pressure on governments, lobbying, working together and building bridges, and conducting independent research. This is something Sevgul Uludag, a Turkish speaking Cypriot journalist already does and has won many awards for. Have you read "Oysters of the Missing Pearls"?

Well,at least we agreed on something...
The truth has to come out,however painful it is,and then reconciliation can begin...Ahmet Cavit is a personal friend of mine and I have read many of his books and articles...And yes I have read Uludag's Incisini Kaybeden Istiridyeler...In the original,unlike you...Now stop pretending that you speak Turkish,and get on with my challenge...You need to spell out step by step how we will find a solution given the realities on the ground...
If you have no idea,it is okey to say so...We need dreamers and idealists like you too....Nothing can be achived without dreaming about it first...

What difference does it make if I read the book in Turkish or English, surely, its the message thats important?

And I'm meaning to ask, why do I bother you so much? If you don't support my ideas argue against them. If you can't tolerate me then ignore me and talk to somebody else.....

And why do you keep asking me to speak Turkish with you? Evet, ben de Türkçe konuşabilirim, ne oldu? Ama burada tek Ingilizce konuşmamız gerekir...

Because you pretend to be of Turkish Cypriot origin,and I can't stand people who have false pretensions...The Turkish you wrote above is not coming from someone whose mother tongue is Turkish...Why don't you come clean and tell us who you are and where you learnt your Turkish????
It is of little importance what you are,as long as you don't try to deceive us...Got it???

The Turkish I wrote is normal everyday Standard Turkish.....perhaps you prefer Cypriot-Turkish? I can do Azeri as well....

Hows this for Turkish....

Avustralyaya bir gelirsam senin o avatarlarını götüne sokacam dal yarak...

Everyday standard Turkish spoken (or written I should say) by someone whose mother tongue is not Turkish...You can only immitate Turco-Cypriot,but you are not flloing me,sunshine...

Gel be ibne, gel da kimin gotune kimin ne sokacagini gosteririm sana, ve banaiyan bile kurtaramayacak seni...

Psss kuş beyinli... kimden dolayı vatandaşlarımız yurt dışına gidiyor?

Beyaz Türk, memleketini kim kontrol eder acaba Rum yoksa Karasakal? Kos Kocaman TC nasıl olurda ambargoları KALDIRAMADI? Nasıl da 36 seneden sonra TC KKTC'yi dünyaya TANITAMADI?

Eğer biz EOKA'dan gerçekten çok çektiğimiz acılar varsa, o zaman neden Denktaş yirmi senenin içinde Avrupa İnsan Hakları Mahkemesine (AİHM) hiç GiTMEDi??

Acaba...istemediler çünkü kendi yaptıkları daha kötüdür.......

PS: Ipne mi? Ha...Ben Qantas'la gelirsam oraya seni öyle bir çevirerek çevirerek sikecim ki anneciğin bile tanımayacak seni. Cahil bilgisiz psikopat seni...

Ipne degil Ibne...Dogru durust Turkce ogrenmeden bir daha karsima gelme,Orospu cocugu...

Sorry Bir but now I'm begining to have doubts about your Turkish Cypriotness... TCs do pronounce ibne as ipne. Turks of Turkey pronounce it as ibne... besides we pronounce orospu as orosbu... likewise patates as badadez...

Ömer too has many pronounciation errors with his TC dialect but i think this is natural for all TCs who have been living abroad for a long while... Even Deniz who more frequently writes with TC dialect does many errors by pronouncing(typing) words as they are written in official Turkish... So it's better for u to stop challenging on TC dialect or Turkish language with Ömer because u too r inadequate on it...

Ah,but I was putting him in his place...So I picked on his Turkish,knowing well I was speaking/writing Turkish Turkish...But you are right,I've worked as Turkish translator/interpreter in another life,and I had to adjust my Turkish to those I was interpreting for...which were mostly Turks or Kurds from Turkey...These days I have to work hard to speak/write Cypriot Turkish ...like....be sogme adamin anasina sonra duracak galpcigi be gavollem...

O orospu anan gebersin insallah...

E yeter be Ömer gardaş! Çocuklar gibin seviyesiz şekilde söversingiz birbiringize...

Sıçırtdıngız rahmetliği be gavvolem! Yakışır mı yavu sizing gibi entellekdüel adamlara böyle sövüşmek?

Cevap vermek istemiyorum, ama sürekli sürekli bu köpek beni provoke eder... ama şimdi gösterecem gene

Kakvolleemm! Gene israr edeng bu annamsız sövüşmeyi sürdürmeye be Ömer ama? Ba ma dibelik gaçırdıng keçileri? Ka'dzık anaammm!

Be Ömeeeer! sakin ol be gardaş!

[Omer Seyhan]

O orospu anan gebersin insallah...

Vallaha insan' dedigi gibi yakismadi bize be Omer...hade bosver,annem daha yasiyor be ve 90 yasindadir..Birak gadini da yasasin biraz daha,zaten herseyini gaybetti Gibrizda zavallim...Hade gel barisalim,gozlerinden operim...karasakallarin dedigi gibi...garasakallarin yani....

Be sen bana Türkçe dedin, Gibrizlica demedin. Yazsam sana kendi dilimizi o zaman sen yazacan "bu bilmez doğru ve dürüst Türkçe."

Tamam yaa, haklısın, özür dilerim anneciğine.