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[B25]

FWIW

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printab ... &soc=-0.56

This psychological profiling is bullshit anyway. Jobs for the boys.

[DT.]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printab ... &soc=-0.41

you're all a bunch of commies

[Omer Seyhan]

Pro-Unity Cypriot Nationalist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Conservative 14%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Liberal 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Social Democrat 14%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Communist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Anarchist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot (other) 7%

Total: 65%

Cypriot Unionists are in a majority it seems - we are all from diverse backgrounds. But combined we make 65% so far.

I think this means we need a national unity approach rather than a partisan one...

[boomerang]

Pro-Unity Cypriot Nationalist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Conservative 14%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Liberal 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Social Democrat 14%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Communist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Anarchist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot (other) 7%

Total: 65%

Cypriot Unionists are in a majority it seems - we are all from diverse backgrounds. But combined we make 65% so far.

I think this means we need a national unity approach rather than a partisan one...

thats because the hard asses and settlers didn't vote...

[Get Real!]

I haven’t voted because I have enormous difficulty dealing with the word “unity” when it comes to Cyprus because it is most misleading!

Unity (of states) occurred in Italy 1815+ (Manzzini/Gribaldi), and Germany 1848+ (Bismarck), but Cyprus???

Where is the logic in that? What exactly are we uniting… the occupied territory with the mainland?

That’s called LIBERATING not unifying!

[insan]

Pro-Unity Cypriot Nationalist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Conservative 14%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Liberal 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Social Democrat 14%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Communist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Anarchist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot (other) 7%

Total: 65%

Cypriot Unionists are in a majority it seems - we are all from diverse backgrounds. But combined we make 65% so far.

I think this means we need a national unity approach rather than a partisan one...

Ask Greek speaking Cypriots what unity means to them, they will tell you "A Cyprus that Greek speaking 'Cypriots' rule and Turkish speaking 'Cypriots' were given minority rights, just like what Turkish speaking 'Greeks' have in Greece...

Is that what you too want Ömer? If it is not, than you are a partitionist in eyes of overwhelming majority of Greek speaking(Hellenic minded) "Cypriots" who aspire to erase anything Turkish on this island... Without political equality of two communities as it was envisaged in UN, a so-called unity in any form which would degrade TCs into a minority status is not acceptable for overwhelming majority of TCs...

The most basic parameter of unity is unity on historical facts regarding the people of Cyprus...

There are two, almost totally opposite version of Cyprus history that have been taught to "Cypriots" for hundreds of years... In a so-called democratic Cyprus, Turkish speaking "Cypriots" would be doomed to accept the GC version of history... why? Because majority rule... This is what GCs call democracy...

Most probably, this is what Ömer too call as democracy and unity... Shortly, the Greek speakers rule, Turkish speakers obey... It sounds very cool to the ears of Greek speaking "Cypriots" but not for the Turkish speaking "Cypriots"...

Ömer, can you tell us a little what your opinions r about the political equality of two communities? As it was envisaged in UN resolutions or different?

[Omer Seyhan]

Pro-Unity Cypriot Nationalist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Conservative 14%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Liberal 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Social Democrat 14%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Communist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Anarchist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot (other) 7%

Total: 65%

Cypriot Unionists are in a majority it seems - we are all from diverse backgrounds. But combined we make 65% so far.

I think this means we need a national unity approach rather than a partisan one...

Ask Greek speaking Cypriots what unity means to them, they will tell you "A Cyprus that Greek speaking 'Cypriots' rule and Turkish speaking 'Cypriots' were given minority rights, just like what Turkish speaking 'Greeks' have in Greece...

Is that what you too want Ömer? If it is not, than you are a partitionist in eyes of overwhelming majority of Greek speaking(Hellenic minded) "Cypriots" who aspire to erase anything Turkish on this island... Without political equality of two communities as it was envisaged in UN, a so-called unity in any form which would degrade TCs into a minority status is not acceptable for overwhelming majority of TCs...

The most basic parameter of unity is unity on historical facts regarding the people of Cyprus...

There are two, almost totally opposite version of Cyprus history that have been taught to "Cypriots" for hundreds of years... In a so-called democratic Cyprus, Turkish speaking "Cypriots" would be doomed to accept the GC version of history... why? Because majority rule... This is what GCs call democracy...

Most probably, this is what Ömer too call as democracy and unity... Shortly, the Greek speakers rule, Turkish speakers obey... It sounds very cool to the ears of Greek speaking "Cypriots" but not for the Turkish speaking "Cypriots"...

Ömer, can you tell us a little what your opinions r about the political equality of two communities? As it was envisaged in UN resolutions or different?

What you are asking would have been a good question to pose in 1964.

However, we are in 2010, where political equality, two component states within a single federal state with a single international identity has already been accepted by the leaders of the Greek and Turkish speaking communities.

In 2008, Mr. Christofias and Mr. Talat committed themselves to working towards “a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolution.”

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?N ... Cyprus&Cr1

[insan]

Pro-Unity Cypriot Nationalist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Conservative 14%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Liberal 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Social Democrat 14%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Communist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Anarchist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot (other) 7%

Total: 65%

Cypriot Unionists are in a majority it seems - we are all from diverse backgrounds. But combined we make 65% so far.

I think this means we need a national unity approach rather than a partisan one...

Ask Greek speaking Cypriots what unity means to them, they will tell you "A Cyprus that Greek speaking 'Cypriots' rule and Turkish speaking 'Cypriots' were given minority rights, just like what Turkish speaking 'Greeks' have in Greece...

Is that what you too want Ömer? If it is not, than you are a partitionist in eyes of overwhelming majority of Greek speaking(Hellenic minded) "Cypriots" who aspire to erase anything Turkish on this island... Without political equality of two communities as it was envisaged in UN, a so-called unity in any form which would degrade TCs into a minority status is not acceptable for overwhelming majority of TCs...

The most basic parameter of unity is unity on historical facts regarding the people of Cyprus...

There are two, almost totally opposite version of Cyprus history that have been taught to "Cypriots" for hundreds of years... In a so-called democratic Cyprus, Turkish speaking "Cypriots" would be doomed to accept the GC version of history... why? Because majority rule... This is what GCs call democracy...

Most probably, this is what Ömer too call as democracy and unity... Shortly, the Greek speakers rule, Turkish speakers obey... It sounds very cool to the ears of Greek speaking "Cypriots" but not for the Turkish speaking "Cypriots"...

Ömer, can you tell us a little what your opinions r about the political equality of two communities? As it was envisaged in UN resolutions or different?

What you are asking would have been a good question to pose in 1964.

However, we are in 2010, where political equality, two component states within a single federal state with a single international identity has already been accepted by the leaders of the Greek and Turkish speaking communities.

In 2008, Mr. Christofias and Mr. Talat committed themselves to working towards “a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolution.”

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?N ... Cyprus&Cr1

In 2010, what percentage of the so-called pro-unity "Cypriots" accept the below elaborated definition of political equality of two communities?

In 1990 a major development was an initiative by the Secretary-General to provide a more elaborate definition of the concept of bi-zonality in his 8 March 1990 report to the Council. In it he also raised the concept of political equality. (The report was subsequently endorsed by the Council in resolution 716 of 11 October 1991.) It said:

“The political equality of the two communities in and the bi-communal nature of the federation need to be acknowledged. While political equality does not mean equal numerical participation in all federal government branches and administration, it should be reflected inter alia in various ways: in the requirement that the federal constitution of the State of Cyprus be approved or amended with the concurrence of both communities; in the effective participation of both communities in all organs and decisions of the federal Government in safeguards to ensure that the federal Government will not be empowered to adopt any measures against the interests of one community; and in the equality and identical powers and functions of the two federated States.” “The bi-zonality of the federation should be clearly brought out by the fact that each federated State will be administered by one community which will be firmly guaranteed a clear majority of the population and of the land ownership in its area.” (S/21183, Annex I)

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/site/c.glKWLeMTIsG/b.4474149/k.DEB5/Special_Research_Report_No_3brCyprus_New_hope_after_45_years_on_the_Security_Council_agendabr4_September_2008.htm

[Omer Seyhan]

Pro-Unity Cypriot Nationalist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Conservative 14%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Liberal 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Social Democrat 14%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Communist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Anarchist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot (other) 7%

Total: 65%

Cypriot Unionists are in a majority it seems - we are all from diverse backgrounds. But combined we make 65% so far.

I think this means we need a national unity approach rather than a partisan one...

Ask Greek speaking Cypriots what unity means to them, they will tell you "A Cyprus that Greek speaking 'Cypriots' rule and Turkish speaking 'Cypriots' were given minority rights, just like what Turkish speaking 'Greeks' have in Greece...

Is that what you too want Ömer? If it is not, than you are a partitionist in eyes of overwhelming majority of Greek speaking(Hellenic minded) "Cypriots" who aspire to erase anything Turkish on this island... Without political equality of two communities as it was envisaged in UN, a so-called unity in any form which would degrade TCs into a minority status is not acceptable for overwhelming majority of TCs...

The most basic parameter of unity is unity on historical facts regarding the people of Cyprus...

There are two, almost totally opposite version of Cyprus history that have been taught to "Cypriots" for hundreds of years... In a so-called democratic Cyprus, Turkish speaking "Cypriots" would be doomed to accept the GC version of history... why? Because majority rule... This is what GCs call democracy...

Most probably, this is what Ömer too call as democracy and unity... Shortly, the Greek speakers rule, Turkish speakers obey... It sounds very cool to the ears of Greek speaking "Cypriots" but not for the Turkish speaking "Cypriots"...

Ömer, can you tell us a little what your opinions r about the political equality of two communities? As it was envisaged in UN resolutions or different?

What you are asking would have been a good question to pose in 1964.

However, we are in 2010, where political equality, two component states within a single federal state with a single international identity has already been accepted by the leaders of the Greek and Turkish speaking communities.

In 2008, Mr. Christofias and Mr. Talat committed themselves to working towards “a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolution.”

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?N ... Cyprus&Cr1

In 2010, what percentage of the so-called pro-unity "Cypriots" accept the below elaborated definition of political equality of two communities?

In 1990 a major development was an initiative by the Secretary-General to provide a more elaborate definition of the concept of bi-zonality in his 8 March 1990 report to the Council. In it he also raised the concept of political equality. (The report was subsequently endorsed by the Council in resolution 716 of 11 October 1991.) It said:

“The political equality of the two communities in and the bi-communal nature of the federation need to be acknowledged. While political equality does not mean equal numerical participation in all federal government branches and administration, it should be reflected inter alia in various ways: in the requirement that the federal constitution of the State of Cyprus be approved or amended with the concurrence of both communities; in the effective participation of both communities in all organs and decisions of the federal Government in safeguards to ensure that the federal Government will not be empowered to adopt any measures against the interests of one community; and in the equality and identical powers and functions of the two federated States.” “The bi-zonality of the federation should be clearly brought out by the fact that each federated State will be administered by one community which will be firmly guaranteed a clear majority of the population and of the land ownership in its area.” (S/21183, Annex I)

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/site/c.glKWLeMTIsG/b.4474149/k.DEB5/Special_Research_Report_No_3brCyprus_New_hope_after_45_years_on_the_Security_Council_agendabr4_September_2008.htm

Of course, some will not accept it but to give up on everything because of that is silly. Yes you have opposition in life, c'est la vie.

[wyoming cowboy]

Pro-Unity Cypriot Nationalist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Conservative 14%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Liberal 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Social Democrat 14%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Communist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot Anarchist 7%
Pro-Unity Cypriot (other) 7%

Total: 65%

Cypriot Unionists are in a majority it seems - we are all from diverse backgrounds. But combined we make 65% so far.

I think this means we need a national unity approach rather than a partisan one...

Ask Greek speaking Cypriots what unity means to them, they will tell you "A Cyprus that Greek speaking 'Cypriots' rule and Turkish speaking 'Cypriots' were given minority rights, just like what Turkish speaking 'Greeks' have in Greece...

Is that what you too want Ömer? If it is not, than you are a partitionist in eyes of overwhelming majority of Greek speaking(Hellenic minded) "Cypriots" who aspire to erase anything Turkish on this island... Without political equality of two communities as it was envisaged in UN, a so-called unity in any form which would degrade TCs into a minority status is not acceptable for overwhelming majority of TCs...

The most basic parameter of unity is unity on historical facts regarding the people of Cyprus...

There are two, almost totally opposite version of Cyprus history that have been taught to "Cypriots" for hundreds of years... In a so-called democratic Cyprus, Turkish speaking "Cypriots" would be doomed to accept the GC version of history... why? Because majority rule... This is what GCs call democracy...

Most probably, this is what Ömer too call as democracy and unity... Shortly, the Greek speakers rule, Turkish speakers obey... It sounds very cool to the ears of Greek speaking "Cypriots" but not for the Turkish speaking "Cypriots"...

Ömer, can you tell us a little what your opinions r about the political equality of two communities? As it was envisaged in UN resolutions or different?

What you are asking would have been a good question to pose in 1964.

However, we are in 2010, where political equality, two component states within a single federal state with a single international identity has already been accepted by the leaders of the Greek and Turkish speaking communities.

In 2008, Mr. Christofias and Mr. Talat committed themselves to working towards “a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolution.”

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?N ... Cyprus&Cr1

In 2010, what percentage of the so-called pro-unity "Cypriots" accept the below elaborated definition of political equality of two communities?

In 1990 a major development was an initiative by the Secretary-General to provide a more elaborate definition of the concept of bi-zonality in his 8 March 1990 report to the Council. In it he also raised the concept of political equality. (The report was subsequently endorsed by the Council in resolution 716 of 11 October 1991.) It said:

“The political equality of the two communities in and the bi-communal nature of the federation need to be acknowledged. While political equality does not mean equal numerical participation in all federal government branches and administration, it should be reflected inter alia in various ways: in the requirement that the federal constitution of the State of Cyprus be approved or amended with the concurrence of both communities; in the effective participation of both communities in all organs and decisions of the federal Government in safeguards to ensure that the federal Government will not be empowered to adopt any measures against the interests of one community; and in the equality and identical powers and functions of the two federated States.” “The bi-zonality of the federation should be clearly brought out by the fact that each federated State will be administered by one community which will be firmly guaranteed a clear majority of the population and of the land ownership in its area.” (S/21183, Annex I)

I would accept this interpretation of a federal state for cyprus, do the tc's


http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/site/c.glKWLeMTIsG/b.4474149/k.DEB5/Special_Research_Report_No_3brCyprus_New_hope_after_45_years_on_the_Security_Council_agendabr4_September_2008.htm