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[repulsewarrior]

given the trends in world politics, can we expect a Soluton in Cyprus which respects the particular Rights of the displaced as Persons? if Cyprus seeks to define the meaning of the Principal Bicommunal, can it be done without their recognition as communities? do the words Nation and State have distinctive meanings, or are they synonyms? How can we as Cypriots demonstrate our resolve as members of the Human race; should not their plight be the first priority?

The report indicates that overall refugee numbers remained relatively stable at 15.2 million, two thirds of whom come under UNHCR's mandate while the other third fall under the responsibility of the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees. Because of the growing resilience of conflict, more than half of the refugees under UNHCR's care are in protracted situations.

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is it possible that a solution could include, at least for some, the return of villages as a whole. would this effort by Cypriots offer to others in conflict, globally, an alternative, or are Individual Rights all that count? (rights of Persons being meaningless).

[YFred]

RW, that is what is being discussed right now. Return of Cypriots to their property of 100,000 under Groc control and a further 40,000 return under TRNC control and to the rest compensation, has been offered by Tallat. What more do they want?

In what way is the above poll representative of the property question?

Have you not heard our super democratic human rightist patriots saying nothing short of everyone to their homes is acceptable.

[Nikitas]

And what if someone is willing to spend the money and buy his home all over again, what about them? It is one of those questions that is not being put, but begging to be asked.

[Gasman]

And what if someone is willing to spend the money and buy his home all over again, what about them? It is one of those questions that is not being put, but begging to be asked.

Why isn't it being asked? I know one such GC in Limassol. He doesn't give a stuff that his former property is occupied by a TC - he just wants to be able to buy any property in the North and live out his remaining days there. But is not allowed to. He doesn't want his 'old' property back. He is in his seventies and would be unable to 'work it' now and is used to living in modern housing with all conveniences.

[Oracle]

And what if someone is willing to spend the money and buy his home all over again, what about them? It is one of those questions that is not being put, but begging to be asked.

Aren't GCs prohibited from buying in the occupied areas? -- by the Turkish occupiers.

... they are certainly doing their best to dwindle to zero, the few remaining GCs.

[humanist]

Firstly I don't believe displaced is the right term to be used. Cypriots from both communities have been made refugees due to military machinery and threats to their lives. In one community however, people have the right of return and claim f their properties. In the other community people are unjustifiably preventing others from having access to what is righfully theirs.

There lies the difference.

Funnilly enough those who think they are better than others and deserve to have what is not theirs are paying a heafty price for that. When those people realise that the moment they give back what is not their they can have direct access to the world community the problem is really solved.

"pali me hronia ke kerous pali thik mas thane"

[Nikitas]

By buying back I meant after any settlement is reached. If after all the complications of exchange/compensation/confiscation a person is still willing to buy his old property and live under the new jurisdiction, then what? . I wonder what intricacies they will dream up to prevent this happening. If I recall the Annan plan placed a ceiling as to the percentage of each ethnic community that could reside in the "other" constituent state and resorted to time limits for temporary residence and other idiocies.

[repulsewarrior]

...but by definition, humanist, they still live in their country of origin and are not afforded the title, "refugee"

...YFred, as Individuals, some talk was made for the return of people to their homes, however i talk of the reality, where these people were removed as a group. functionally therefore, a redress is to recognise this fact as well, by returning people as Persons, rather than just as Individuals. repopulation would be meaningless unless the Heritance that lives in these Individuals as communities is returned to them (at least for some) as a Patrimony they can sustain.

i stress National Assemblies, because we need our identity as Persons. i stress the need for one government where we can represent for ourselves the Principals which have no ethnic boundry, as Stewards of this island, loving as its dwellers. i stress the broader concepts of the political choices we must make; it is not a "Greek" vs. "Turk" thingy. i stress that Bizonal, like Bicommunal can mean anything, except tearing something simply, in two.

i think we have the opportunity to become better as Turks and as Greeks (and Maronite, Armenian, etc.), by being Cypriots in this way.

...please read (YFred i'm talking to you especially) my manifesto.

[B25]

By buying back I meant after any settlement is reached. If after all the complications of exchange/compensation/confiscation a person is still willing to buy his old property and live under the new jurisdiction, then what? . I wonder what intricacies they will dream up to prevent this happening. If I recall the Annan plan placed a ceiling as to the percentage of each ethnic community that could reside in the "other" constituent state and resorted to time limits for temporary residence and other idiocies.

Yes the Ankara Plan limited property purchases to GCs and even after a 10 year gap, but the TCs were free to purchase Island wide whatever they wanted, and they say, it was the best plan we ever had!

Lambron na to kapsi tzie na pasi stanathema.

[Gasman]

By buying back I meant after any settlement is reached.

That's different. If a settlement is reached and EU rules are no longer 'suspended' in the occupied territory, I don't see how anyone can be stopped from buying property.

Even the RoC had to abandon their rule of 'only one property' allowed to be sold to foreign buyers once they'd served their 5yr running in period in the EU to comply with EU rules that say any EU citizen can buy property in any EU country.

In fact, here in the RoC, many developers flouted the old rule while it was still in place, knowing that it would be abolished when the five years were up and telling purchasers that, as they wouldn't have their title deeds inside of five years - they could buy as many as they liked.