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[boomerang]

DT...The Turks will tell you anything you want to hear,especially if there is something in it for them....

We already know that!

Wasn’t that your “strategy” during your first 4 years on the forum?

Ottoman remnants overestimate their shrewdness...

I said "Turks" and that was an overgeneralisation which was wrong of me...Not all Turks are like that,I am sure...But those DT is likely to come across would be, and are, by the sound of it...In any case,I am a Turkish Cypriot,a different animal altogether...Brainless swines like you do not understand the difference...

weren't you not long ago feeling proud about 1 million turks in the north?...and me telling you, i was going to read about the tc extintion?...man you lean anywhere the wind blows...

[bill cobbett]

Well the only unsettled area near the cease-fire line is of course the buffer zone.

Anyway agree with what some have said above: to the man/woman in the street in the majority population the property matter is extremely important, perhaps yes, even the paramount issue.

So in any event it's the selling point or otherwise for everything else ... so am pleased to see it moved up the agenda.

Bottom line we get to talk percentages again. CyProb simplified to a matter of a couple of numbers... and some marks on a map.

[BirKibrisli]

DT...The Turks will tell you anything you want to hear,especially if there is something in it for them....

We already know that!

Wasn’t that your “strategy” during your first 4 years on the forum?

Ottoman remnants overestimate their shrewdness...

I said "Turks" and that was an overgeneralisation which was wrong of me...Not all Turks are like that,I am sure...But those DT is likely to come across would be, and are, by the sound of it...In any case,I am a Turkish Cypriot,a different animal altogether...Brainless swines like you do not understand the difference...

weren't you not long ago feeling proud about 1 million turks in the north?...and me telling you, i was going to read about the tc extintion?...man you lean anywhere the wind blows...

You are wrong,Boomer...I have been lamenting the extinction of the TC identity for a long long time...You are not reading me carefully...I and Kikapu were the very first TCs here to express concern about the settler numbers when no one was even slightly concerned about it...But if you or anyone else want to torment me with the disappearing TC numbers,then I will torment you back with the increasing settler numbers and what that might mean for the GCs,it is only fair...

[DT.]

DT...The Turks will tell you anything you want to hear,especially if there is something in it for them....

We already know that!

Wasn’t that your “strategy” during your first 4 years on the forum?

Ottoman remnants overestimate their shrewdness...

I said "Turks" and that was an overgeneralisation which was wrong of me...Not all Turks are like that,I am sure...But those DT is likely to come across would be, and are, by the sound of it...In any case,I am a Turkish Cypriot,a different animal altogether...Brainless swines like you do not understand the difference...

weren't you not long ago feeling proud about 1 million turks in the north?...and me telling you, i was going to read about the tc extintion?...man you lean anywhere the wind blows...

You are wrong,Boomer...I have been lamenting the extinction of the TC identity for a long long time...You are not reading me carefully...I and Kikapu were the very first TCs here to express concern about the settler numbers when no one was even slightly concerned about it...But if you or anyone else want to torment me with the disappearing TC numbers,then I will torment you back with the increasing settler numbers and what that might mean for the GCs,it is only fair...

when no one else was concerned about it?????

I don't know about you but every GC President that sat at the negotiating table has asked for settlers to be removed and every tc leader has asked for settlers to stay!!!!

Every GC student has been to a anti-occupation rally screaming for settlers to go.

The Woman's movement 20 years ago when 50 women or so were arrested by my favourite policeforce in the world were demanding for settlers to leave cyprus.

Now if you want to respond with "yeah its all well and good yelling for them to leave but had you accepted the annan plan the majority would have been gone by now."

By all means do so, but know this. Your side is involved with one of the most evil transactions that has ever been negotiated. They are blackmailing Cypriots with people. Sign now and we stop at 40,000. Sign later and it'll be 100,000...sign even later and it'll be 300,000 people.

No thanks.

[BirKibrisli]

DT...The Turks will tell you anything you want to hear,especially if there is something in it for them....

We already know that!

Wasn’t that your “strategy” during your first 4 years on the forum?

Ottoman remnants overestimate their shrewdness...

I said "Turks" and that was an overgeneralisation which was wrong of me...Not all Turks are like that,I am sure...But those DT is likely to come across would be, and are, by the sound of it...In any case,I am a Turkish Cypriot,a different animal altogether...Brainless swines like you do not understand the difference...

weren't you not long ago feeling proud about 1 million turks in the north?...and me telling you, i was going to read about the tc extintion?...man you lean anywhere the wind blows...

You are wrong,Boomer...I have been lamenting the extinction of the TC identity for a long long time...You are not reading me carefully...I and Kikapu were the very first TCs here to express concern about the settler numbers when no one was even slightly concerned about it...But if you or anyone else want to torment me with the disappearing TC numbers,then I will torment you back with the increasing settler numbers and what that might mean for the GCs,it is only fair...

when no one else was concerned about it?????

I don't know about you but every GC President that sat at the negotiating table has asked for settlers to be removed and every tc leader has asked for settlers to stay!!!!

Every GC student has been to a anti-occupation rally screaming for settlers to go.

The Woman's movement 20 years ago when 50 women or so were arrested by my favourite policeforce in the world were demanding for settlers to leave cyprus.

Now if you want to respond with "yeah its all well and good yelling for them to leave but had you accepted the annan plan the majority would have been gone by now."

By all means do so, but know this. Your side is involved with one of the most evil transactions that has ever been negotiated. They are blackmailing Cypriots with people. Sign now and we stop at 40,000. Sign later and it'll be 100,000...sign even later and it'll be 300,000 people.

No thanks.

I meant no other TCs were showing concern,DT>>>
That is why I mentioned Kikapu as well...But it was not clearly expressed...It is not blackmail...It is the reality..The longer the status quo remains the less the numbers of real TCs and the larger the numbers of new TCs (aka settlers)....If the GCs want to sit back and taunt us the extinction of the TCs in Cyprus,it is fair we respond with the dangers for them in the increasing settler numbers...Don't you think?

[DT.]

DT...The Turks will tell you anything you want to hear,especially if there is something in it for them....

We already know that!

Wasn’t that your “strategy” during your first 4 years on the forum?

Ottoman remnants overestimate their shrewdness...

I said "Turks" and that was an overgeneralisation which was wrong of me...Not all Turks are like that,I am sure...But those DT is likely to come across would be, and are, by the sound of it...In any case,I am a Turkish Cypriot,a different animal altogether...Brainless swines like you do not understand the difference...

weren't you not long ago feeling proud about 1 million turks in the north?...and me telling you, i was going to read about the tc extintion?...man you lean anywhere the wind blows...

You are wrong,Boomer...I have been lamenting the extinction of the TC identity for a long long time...You are not reading me carefully...I and Kikapu were the very first TCs here to express concern about the settler numbers when no one was even slightly concerned about it...But if you or anyone else want to torment me with the disappearing TC numbers,then I will torment you back with the increasing settler numbers and what that might mean for the GCs,it is only fair...

when no one else was concerned about it?????

I don't know about you but every GC President that sat at the negotiating table has asked for settlers to be removed and every tc leader has asked for settlers to stay!!!!

Every GC student has been to a anti-occupation rally screaming for settlers to go.

The Woman's movement 20 years ago when 50 women or so were arrested by my favourite policeforce in the world were demanding for settlers to leave cyprus.

Now if you want to respond with "yeah its all well and good yelling for them to leave but had you accepted the annan plan the majority would have been gone by now."

By all means do so, but know this. Your side is involved with one of the most evil transactions that has ever been negotiated. They are blackmailing Cypriots with people. Sign now and we stop at 40,000. Sign later and it'll be 100,000...sign even later and it'll be 300,000 people.

No thanks.

I meant no other TCs were showing concern,DT>>>
That is why I mentioned Kikapu as well...But it was not clearly expressed...It is not blackmail...It is the reality..The longer the status quo remains the less the numbers of real TCs and the larger the numbers of new TCs (aka settlers)....If the GCs want to sit back and taunt us the extinction of the TCs in Cyprus,it is fair we respond with the dangers for them in the increasing settler numbers...Don't you think?

Bir, when a community is hell bent on its own extinction like the tc's currently are, it first needs to accept that the problem does not lie in their "enemies" but in their "friends".

[BirKibrisli]

DT...The Turks will tell you anything you want to hear,especially if there is something in it for them....

We already know that!

Wasn’t that your “strategy” during your first 4 years on the forum?

Ottoman remnants overestimate their shrewdness...

I said "Turks" and that was an overgeneralisation which was wrong of me...Not all Turks are like that,I am sure...But those DT is likely to come across would be, and are, by the sound of it...In any case,I am a Turkish Cypriot,a different animal altogether...Brainless swines like you do not understand the difference...

weren't you not long ago feeling proud about 1 million turks in the north?...and me telling you, i was going to read about the tc extintion?...man you lean anywhere the wind blows...

You are wrong,Boomer...I have been lamenting the extinction of the TC identity for a long long time...You are not reading me carefully...I and Kikapu were the very first TCs here to express concern about the settler numbers when no one was even slightly concerned about it...But if you or anyone else want to torment me with the disappearing TC numbers,then I will torment you back with the increasing settler numbers and what that might mean for the GCs,it is only fair...

when no one else was concerned about it?????

I don't know about you but every GC President that sat at the negotiating table has asked for settlers to be removed and every tc leader has asked for settlers to stay!!!!

Every GC student has been to a anti-occupation rally screaming for settlers to go.

The Woman's movement 20 years ago when 50 women or so were arrested by my favourite policeforce in the world were demanding for settlers to leave cyprus.

Now if you want to respond with "yeah its all well and good yelling for them to leave but had you accepted the annan plan the majority would have been gone by now."

By all means do so, but know this. Your side is involved with one of the most evil transactions that has ever been negotiated. They are blackmailing Cypriots with people. Sign now and we stop at 40,000. Sign later and it'll be 100,000...sign even later and it'll be 300,000 people.

No thanks.

I meant no other TCs were showing concern,DT>>>
That is why I mentioned Kikapu as well...But it was not clearly expressed...It is not blackmail...It is the reality..The longer the status quo remains the less the numbers of real TCs and the larger the numbers of new TCs (aka settlers)....If the GCs want to sit back and taunt us the extinction of the TCs in Cyprus,it is fair we respond with the dangers for them in the increasing settler numbers...Don't you think?

Bir, when a community is hell bent on its own extinction like the tc's currently are, it first needs to accept that the problem does not lie in their "enemies" but in their "friends".

Tell me,seriously,DT,what can the TCs do now or what could they've done in the past to change the situation??? Please be realistic...

[IMPOSTALIEDUS]

If the two leaders dont move fast there will be no property left for to be talked about, all deeds will have changed or gone walk about, ROC POLICE ARREST THREE PEOPLE in connection with the illegal transfer of turkish title land worth 3;5 million euros in limasos. A gc 43year old Land registry official being one of the men, And are trying to trace an estate agent, they were selling land in polemidia with false gc deeds,,,,,, so it seems its not only the tc who have been at it , And i suppose most people would have no sympathy with the carpetbaggers, pot calling the kettle black comes to mind

[Nikitas]

Bir, your question is directed at DT, but I will have a go if I may.

What could have been done? Well the TCs could have avoided doing what they habitually acuse the GCs of attempting, namely to gift the whole or part of Cyprus to a foreign country. Delaring independence in 1983 could have been accompanied by a move to limit Turkey's influence in the north. Baba Denktash of course had no such plans, independence was simply another nail in the coffin of the Republic in which he believed even less than Makarios.

In effect the TCs, once they got the upper hand, made the very same mistakes the GCs did when they were the dominant side, they pursued anything but a Cypriot centered solution to the problem.

But that is the past. The primary goal now should be to reach a solution which leaves no possible points of future conflict, which is why I keep harping about territory and the status of the British bases. But it seems that neither side is focused on that goal, and we are going to find that our collective lack of forethought is going to blow up on our fces real soon after the next "solution".

[BirKibrisli]

Bir, your question is directed at DT, but I will have a go if I may.

What could have been done? Well the TCs could have avoided doing what they habitually acuse the GCs of attempting, namely to gift the whole or part of Cyprus to a foreign country. Delaring independence in 1983 could have been accompanied by a move to limit Turkey's influence in the north. Baba Denktash of course had no such plans, independence was simply another nail in the coffin of the Republic in which he believed even less than Makarios.

In effect the TCs, once they got the upper hand, made the very same mistakes the GCs did when they were the dominant side, they pursued anything but a Cypriot centered solution to the problem.

But that is the past. The primary goal now should be to reach a solution which leaves no possible points of future conflict, which is why I keep harping about territory and the status of the British bases. But it seems that neither side is focused on that goal, and we are going to find that our collective lack of forethought is going to blow up on our fces real soon after the next "solution".

I am not sure if you are being realistic,Nikitas...
The TCs depend on their very survival on Turkey,and they have done so since 1963...After 1974 that situation became even worse as you know...The relationship between Turkey and the TCs is very much like a Parent/Child relationship...All the power is in the hands of the parent,the child can protest all she likes but in the end what parents want happen...
Baba Denktash did not take the decisions he did by himself...And I am sure there are things he has agreed to against his better judgement...It is obvious nobody really understands the sorry situation the TCs were in during the 63-74 period,how desperate they were to find someone to turn to for help...for a long time it looked as if even Turkey had abandoned us...In our euphoria after our "liberation" mistakes were made for sure,but I can't see how they could've been avoided..