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[Nikitas]

Where is Bebek?

[Gasman]

Why is this subject taboo? What is the problem with expressing clearly that from the start it had to do with territory and leave the nebulous stuff aside for a moment?

I've thought maybe it might be because there cannot be a 'one size fits all' solution regarding property. Some probably would be happy for nothing at all to happen - ever.

But then it doesn't have to be a 'single solution' for everyone anyway does it?

People could be given a choice conditional on some things. But if those choices and maybe 'conditions' too are not rolled out to the public and give them the chance to argue and discuss, agree or disagree with them BEFORE the head honchos lock themselves up talking turkey - I cannot see how they can come up with anything that will satisfy even the majority on both sides - let alone everyone.

I also cannot believe they haven't discussed it at length with SOME people concerned about the issue (even if not in public) - I have in mind people on both sides who have the most to lose or gain maybe? People who might hold a lot of sway with their 'government'?

But I cannot understand why long petitions haven't been handed in prior to the talks (they've had long enough to get together and do it) by thousands of property owners. Petitions setting out just what they WILL or will NOT accept.

Would save the leaders a lot of time when discussing. No point in discussing something you know will be rejected at referendum is there?

I've mentioned this before several times - why more noise isn't made by all those affected. It still really puzzles me.

I mean, in the past 6 months we have had public demonstrations that have made the news both here in the RoC and in the 'TRNC' by property owners who felt they had been swindled by builders and developers.

But no public demonstrations from property owners affected by the events of 1974 regarding what they want now that it is being discussed and decided upon.

Could it be that the leaders will be able to IMPOSE a property decision on their respective electorate whether they like it or not? The Courts seem to be backing away from dealing with it now.

If it's not possible that any decision could be imposed without agreement from individuals concerned, how could this happen - with referendums having to take place to put the seal on it?

Could the question of property be left out of any referendum?

[DT.]

Where is Bebek?

Bosphorous.

[Gasman]

talking turkey

lol! Just noticed that. No pun intended - honestly. Maybe a Freudian slip!

[Nikitas]

The point is Gasman that in a European context the property issue is out of their hands. In a post solution Cyprus each citizen will have the right to purchase property anywhere in the EU, including Cyprus. It is conceivable that people will buy back their ancestral lands from whomever holds them in the future. So any so called "settlement" included in the solution will be a political posture and not much more. It is expected that such posture is a political gain that each politician cannot overlook when he thinks of his re election.

The territorial issue is a little clearer and perhaps that is why on that we have seen maps and percentages.

My opinion is that the territorial arrangement should be planned to prevent any problems in the future. Also the territoria arrangement can minimise the property dislocation.

[YFred]

Question regarding the Larnaca Airport....

A government can use a PRIVATE land to BUILD PUBLIC FACILITIES (airports, parks etc...) whatever the situation!!!

That is what i know, but i need to find the excact documents to prove the point

If it was an roc decision I would agree, but it has not been since 1963. Unfortunately it was GRoC that made those decisions and it is as null and void as TRNC decisions. TCs will accept nothing less. If you accept those as being legitimate then TRNC is just as. These negotiations are proving and will finally prove that exact point.

One is a government representing the island and the other is an illegal regime.

Don't be daft.

You know what YFred is saying though,DT...
RoC might be a legitimate government in the eyes of the world. In TC eyes it is a pirated state lacking moral fibre...If you can't understand why the TCs feel that way, you are the one who is being daft...

I also "feel" many things Bir. I'm a big boy however and I have to go by how the world works, both in my business and my life.

The fact that you are disagreeing with me calling Yfred daft is an eye opener though.

The fact that YFred tells you things you don't want to hear does not make him daft...You are at a crossroads now,DT...You either believe the official GC propaganda line that the TCs walked out of government because TMT told them so,or believe that they left in fear of their lives,and the fear was real...I know which one I believe and which one YFred believes...And we both lived through those heady days...Now you tell us which version you believe,and we shall see if there is any point to keep talking to each other...

I hope you and Yfred are very happy with each other. Personally I just returned from 3 days in Bebek and I know which one of us has the more complete view of things.

P.S It ain't you and it sure as hell ain't that gimp you're hangin around with.

So back to Gimp are we? How many drinks have we had so far asshole?
You really expect me to sit at the same table as this cunt and enjoy a meal?

[Gasman]

I see. Not really clear about people buying back stuff they already own title to though.

I'm guessing there is a hell of a lot of land and property involved where people just don't have the deeds to hand. Property that has been handed down thro' generations in Wills and where the 'current owner' has never seen it, nor even been to Cyprus.

It's probably clearer cut where, say, GCs are living in properties that sit in what were wholly TC villages or towns pre 74. And vice versa.

I know a very few TCs who have returned to the homes they lived in in Larnaca old Turkish town already. They will tell you that some GCs absolutely hate them being there but, in the main, they are getting on OK with their neighbours and fellow business owners. TCs who left for the North in 1974, then went to the UK and are now back in Cyprus. I asked one 'how did you get this house - I am told you have to be a GC refugee to be allowed to live in them?' She replied 'I was BORN in this house!'

I have a TC lady friend living there who has a GC fiance (both in their late thirties) - they were telling me they were dreading breaking the news to their respective families and then it turned out that their parents were friends in the neighbourhood before '74! And they are both OK with it.

Maybe the future of Cyprus will depend on more and more people like this - just getting on with it.

[DT.]

Question regarding the Larnaca Airport....

A government can use a PRIVATE land to BUILD PUBLIC FACILITIES (airports, parks etc...) whatever the situation!!!

That is what i know, but i need to find the excact documents to prove the point

If it was an roc decision I would agree, but it has not been since 1963. Unfortunately it was GRoC that made those decisions and it is as null and void as TRNC decisions. TCs will accept nothing less. If you accept those as being legitimate then TRNC is just as. These negotiations are proving and will finally prove that exact point.

One is a government representing the island and the other is an illegal regime.

Don't be daft.

You know what YFred is saying though,DT...
RoC might be a legitimate government in the eyes of the world. In TC eyes it is a pirated state lacking moral fibre...If you can't understand why the TCs feel that way, you are the one who is being daft...

I also "feel" many things Bir. I'm a big boy however and I have to go by how the world works, both in my business and my life.

The fact that you are disagreeing with me calling Yfred daft is an eye opener though.

The fact that YFred tells you things you don't want to hear does not make him daft...You are at a crossroads now,DT...You either believe the official GC propaganda line that the TCs walked out of government because TMT told them so,or believe that they left in fear of their lives,and the fear was real...I know which one I believe and which one YFred believes...And we both lived through those heady days...Now you tell us which version you believe,and we shall see if there is any point to keep talking to each other...

I hope you and Yfred are very happy with each other. Personally I just returned from 3 days in Bebek and I know which one of us has the more complete view of things.

P.S It ain't you and it sure as hell ain't that gimp you're hangin around with.

So back to Gimp are we? How many drinks have we had so far asshole?

run along, let the adults talk.

[YFred]

Question regarding the Larnaca Airport....

A government can use a PRIVATE land to BUILD PUBLIC FACILITIES (airports, parks etc...) whatever the situation!!!

That is what i know, but i need to find the excact documents to prove the point

If it was an roc decision I would agree, but it has not been since 1963. Unfortunately it was GRoC that made those decisions and it is as null and void as TRNC decisions. TCs will accept nothing less. If you accept those as being legitimate then TRNC is just as. These negotiations are proving and will finally prove that exact point.

One is a government representing the island and the other is an illegal regime.

Don't be daft.

You know what YFred is saying though,DT...
RoC might be a legitimate government in the eyes of the world. In TC eyes it is a pirated state lacking moral fibre...If you can't understand why the TCs feel that way, you are the one who is being daft...

I also "feel" many things Bir. I'm a big boy however and I have to go by how the world works, both in my business and my life.

The fact that you are disagreeing with me calling Yfred daft is an eye opener though.

The fact that YFred tells you things you don't want to hear does not make him daft...You are at a crossroads now,DT...You either believe the official GC propaganda line that the TCs walked out of government because TMT told them so,or believe that they left in fear of their lives,and the fear was real...I know which one I believe and which one YFred believes...And we both lived through those heady days...Now you tell us which version you believe,and we shall see if there is any point to keep talking to each other...

I hope you and Yfred are very happy with each other. Personally I just returned from 3 days in Bebek and I know which one of us has the more complete view of things.

P.S It ain't you and it sure as hell ain't that gimp you're hangin around with.

So back to Gimp are we? How many drinks have we had so far asshole?

run along, let the adults talk.

Is that right now.

Jerry Bill, Milti and Deniz, are you comfortable about sharing a table whith this cunt, cause I am not.

[DT.]

Question regarding the Larnaca Airport....

A government can use a PRIVATE land to BUILD PUBLIC FACILITIES (airports, parks etc...) whatever the situation!!!

That is what i know, but i need to find the excact documents to prove the point

If it was an roc decision I would agree, but it has not been since 1963. Unfortunately it was GRoC that made those decisions and it is as null and void as TRNC decisions. TCs will accept nothing less. If you accept those as being legitimate then TRNC is just as. These negotiations are proving and will finally prove that exact point.

One is a government representing the island and the other is an illegal regime.

Don't be daft.

You know what YFred is saying though,DT...
RoC might be a legitimate government in the eyes of the world. In TC eyes it is a pirated state lacking moral fibre...If you can't understand why the TCs feel that way, you are the one who is being daft...

I also "feel" many things Bir. I'm a big boy however and I have to go by how the world works, both in my business and my life.

The fact that you are disagreeing with me calling Yfred daft is an eye opener though.

The fact that YFred tells you things you don't want to hear does not make him daft...You are at a crossroads now,DT...You either believe the official GC propaganda line that the TCs walked out of government because TMT told them so,or believe that they left in fear of their lives,and the fear was real...I know which one I believe and which one YFred believes...And we both lived through those heady days...Now you tell us which version you believe,and we shall see if there is any point to keep talking to each other...

I hope you and Yfred are very happy with each other. Personally I just returned from 3 days in Bebek and I know which one of us has the more complete view of things.

P.S It ain't you and it sure as hell ain't that gimp you're hangin around with.

So back to Gimp are we? How many drinks have we had so far asshole?

run along, let the adults talk.

Is that right now.

Jerry Bill, Milti and Deniz, are you comfortable about sharing a meal whith this cunt, cause I am not.

methinks someone's been on the sauce again