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[Alexandros Lordos]

Seeing that new threads pop up every day, making it difficult for us to have a focused conversation, I've decided to post a few "sticky" threads, on critical issues, which threads will always appear at the top of the page.

This particular thread concerns the Property issue of the Cyprus Problem. You can use this thread to put forward proposals for this issue, "as if" you have been charged with the task of developing a new Peace Plan. And of course, you can evaluate and criticize the proposals put forward by others ...

If irrelevant threads develop, they will as a rule be moved to a separate topic, in order to keep this thread focused on the matter at hand - the Property issue.

[fi]

Here again a solution should follow international law and european human rights laws.

So absolutely all property should return to its rightful owners.
Rent must also be paid to the rigthful owners for any illegal use of the poperty up to the point of solution.

[magikthrill]

from what Ive unerstood property is not an issue when the TCs negotiate a solution to the problem so not sure why this is a sticky thread?

[fi]

Hello,

I guess it should be a sticky thread because the latest plan was rejected by a huge part because it failed to solve this problem. i.e. people weren't going to be given their properties back etc. etc. (and although aparently the two sides may not have so many differences).

[Agios Amvrosios]

The "property" issue cannot be properly understood if focus is limited to individual pieces of land lost by individual land owners. In addition to the loss of land the loss of parochial identity has been very traumatic for many people. The way I explain this is that even if someone did not actually have title to real estate for example children who grew up in a town or village, a tenant and even a homeless bum still would have a connection to a local area. Loss of local identity is something that not only land owners suffer but also people who do not have title deeds.

If inhumane proposals of property exchange & compensation for loss of land is accepted as a solution, people who lived in say Lapithos or Kyrenia but were just kids, or property less- are simplistically removed from the equation although they are also victims of ethnic cleansing.

[gabaston]

Right the Property issue is the Money issue.

Who wants to move back into a house they have never seen, on land controlled by an authority which they view as barbaric uncivilised enemies?

ok

so its all about money then.

For twice market value, how many would sell their land?

[Agios Amvrosios]

T he only acceptable for refugees is restitution to the properties. You can take your compensation which some one esle is probably going to pay for you anyway and shove it. To us this "is" the Cyprus Issue.

[Agios Amvrosios]

A week ago, the well connected Hurriet reported that the Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul had asked Talat to change the constitution of the so-called TRNC breakaway state, recognising that the property rights of land now controlled by Turkish occupation army did in fact belong to their rightful owners, the Greek Cypriots.

http://www.financialmirror.com/more_news.php?id=1593



can someone verify that Gul asked Talat to amend the "constitution" of the "TRNC" to recognize the property rights of Greek Cypriot refugees?

[erolz]

A week ago, the well connected Hurriet reported that the Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul had asked Talat to change the constitution of the so-called TRNC breakaway state, recognising that the property rights of land now controlled by Turkish occupation army did in fact belong to their rightful owners, the Greek Cypriots.

http://www.financialmirror.com/more_news.php?id=1593



can someone verify that Gul asked Talat to amend the "constitution" of the "TRNC" to recognize the property rights of Greek Cypriot refugees?

There have been reports that there is a 'team' looking at this on behalf of the TRNC. I have not seen the claim it was initiated by Gul before and can not verify this.

[gabaston]

Agios

to be honest that was exactly the response i was expecting.

we have 1.5 plots of prime building land in the heart of larnace with what was a house plus over twleve plots of arable in Kophinou. Now my question is would i return into that enclave to be surrounded by people who consider me the enemy and live under an authority which considers me the same? Even with a sea of change towrds tcs there will still be those determined to give me hell, and i wont live under that.

i would accept compensation for that land if it were offered.

the reality irrespective of any eu pressure is that tc will accept nothing less than a federation. If a sollution is to be negotiated then the property issue must be realistically faced/overcome. It wont come with gc accepting nothing less than the return to pre 74. Compensation is about the only solution i can see.

i am open to suggestions and welcome them. you got any?

the alternative will be to carry on as we are, leading to partition.