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[magikthrill]

Please lets not start this one up again - there a whole (already split from source) thread on this issue. Suffice to say I think this comparison bogus for a number of reasons put please if you do wish to carry on this part of the discussion - please please do so in the other thread and not here. Your co operation on this would be sincerely and very much apprecited by me. Thanks in advance.

um im sorry erol but what is the title of this thread? In fact I tihnk eveyr post on this thread will make reference to the property issue that directly invovles me because, hey, thats my right.

also if you feel that the human rights violation of not allowing one to enjoy their proprety in safety is not comparable to the 3rd world likings of north cyprus then i would have to agree with you.

the matter of the fact is that turkish cypriots living in north cyprs can move back to the RoC and work there and make a living, until a solution is achieved, to advance their economic wellbeing --> hence the fact that they are dirt poor is something brought onto themselves.

on the other hand, i will never get to go back to my ancestral land, regardless of what the outcome is, regardless of what i do.

[erolz]

Please lets not start this one up again

um im sorry erol but what is the title of this thread?

No no - you misunderstand me. Let's not start up the disciussion of if the mere use of the term TRNC is offensive and it's use is clear proof of intent to offend vs other comments (like Cyprus is greek) etc. Thats what I meant.

the matter of the fact is that turkish cypriots living in north cyprs can move back to the RoC and work there and make a living, until a solution is achieved, to advance their economic wellbeing --> hence the fact that they are dirt poor is something brought onto themselves.

It is a fact that we can 'return to the RoC' as long as we give up all the rights as a community to equality that were stolen from us. GC have always been willing to 'live with us' just so long as we accept that GC rule and we do as we are told and just so long as we accept the removal of our consitutional rights as a community. You can see how much these rights are to the vast majority of TC vs a 'better standard of living' in the few numbers that have taken up your 'generous' offer to remove there communites rights for some personal pieces of silver,

on the other hand, i will never get to go back to my ancestral land, regardless of what the outcome is, regardless of what i do.

Again this is not the case. You think under the (GC hating) Anan plan you had no opportunity to return to your 'ancestral home' at all? There were opportunites for you to return, if not to the exact property you own because it has been changed developed and invested in by others then certainly to the area.

[magikthrill]

Again this is not the case. You think under the (GC hating) Anan plan you had no opportunity to return to your 'ancestral home' at all? There were opportunites for you to return, if not to the exact property you own because it has been changed developed and invested in by others then certainly to the area.

absouletely not. we would be entitled to 1/3 compensation in bonds over a period of 18 years if i am not mistaken.

seriously though if you think that the Annan Plan was the LEAST BIT fair in terms of property for the GCs then I hope you understand you are in now way near to understanding the GC point of view.

[erolz]

I merely pointed out that in my view your statement

i will never get to go back to my ancestral land

was more related to 'histrionics' than to any reality of the proposed plans to date, the annan plan included. That's my opinion, so there you have it.

[magikthrill]

so in your VOCABULARY (:edit) compensaiton (in bonds by the way not even cash) = right of return then?

[erolz]

so in your VOCABULARY (:edit) compensaiton (in bonds by the way not even cash) = right of return then?

no, quite simply to my mind restrictions on rights to return or details of the level of compesation are not the same as "i will never get to go back to my ancestral land"

[magikthrill]

no, quite simply to my mind restrictions on rights to return or details of the level of compesation are not the same as "i will never get to go back to my ancestral land"

and to some restrictions on political equality for TCs is not the same as "GCs are dominating us"

[erolz]

and to some restrictions on political equality for TCs is not the same as "GCs are dominating us"

I can not speak or answer for 'some' only myself. On that basis no they are not the same but inistance that the TC community must be no more than a poltical minority in Cyprus or that there can only be 'one person one vote' and never one community on vote are the same to me as GC community demanding the right to potentialy dominate the TC one in Cyprus.

[magikthrill]

I can not speak or answer for 'some' only myself. On that basis no they are not the same but inistance that the TC community must be no more than a poltical minority in Cyprus or that there can only be 'one person one vote' and never one community on vote are the same to me as GC community demanding the right to potentialy dominate the TC one in Cyprus.

so i hope you can understand then that to me being compensated for my ancestral home so a 3rd world turkish settler can inhabit it is the same as never being allowed to return to my ancestral home

[Othellos]

Now my question is would i return into that enclave to be surrounded by people who consider me the enemy and live under an authority which considers me the same? Even with a sea of change towrds tcs there will still be those determined to give me hell, and i wont live under that.

Let me reverse your question for a moment, Gabaston, and ask you about what kind of a solution you are talking about when certain individuals or (even worse) certain authorities will be allowed / tolerated to regard or treat citizens of the otherwise united (?) Cyprus as "enemies" because of their respective ethnic background?

O.