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[Bananiot]

Nikitas

Several TC families did just that and the GC occupiers were evicted.

Are you absolutely sure about this Nikitas? I know a TC who lived in London in 1974 and when he returned (quite recently) the RoC would not give back his land.

[YFred]

we can afford a lot more than you dependent little fake State ............ lol your so childish

Who is being childish again?

[humanist]

you are have a nice day

[YFred]

you are have a nice day

Are you sure you are not looking at the mirror again.

[B25]

Nikitas

Several TC families did just that and the GC occupiers were evicted.

Are you absolutely sure about this Nikitas? I know a TC who lived in London in 1974 and when he returned (quite recently) the RoC would not give back his land.

yes of course you do, I know 200,000 GCs that lived in Cyprus in 74 and when they asked for their properties back, they would not give them back.

Lambron na se kapsi Bananiot, how fucking dare you.

[YFred]

Nikitas

Several TC families did just that and the GC occupiers were evicted.

Are you absolutely sure about this Nikitas? I know a TC who lived in London in 1974 and when he returned (quite recently) the RoC would not give back his land.

yes of course you do, I know 200,000 GCs that lived in Cyprus in 74 and when they asked for their properties back, they would not give them back.

Lambron na se kapsi Bananiot, how fucking dare you.

Reh Bastardo ma e hasesda delya. Is roc allowed to brake it's own laws when ever it feels like it?

What the bloody hell are you on? I want some.

[Tony-4497]

GR said:

The “Turkish Cypriots” should’ve requested the setup of an unbiased international committee to investigate and determine the EXACT land ownership from all the valid evidence, so that they could then request their rightful percentage as a continuous territory and proportional seafront somewhere on Cyprus where both parties agree.

I actually think this is spot on.. and on the basis of my information, including international court decisions re EVKAV land claims etc, the true % for TCs is not far from 12%. That said, TCs should additionally be entitled to a pro-rata portion of state-owned land.. which together with a "goodwill" gesture by GCs to make the whole thing viable could push it up to say 22%.

I do think an arrangement along these lines might be acceptable to TCs provided it (a) also grants them near-sovereignty i.e. a sovereign state other than the minimum functions needed for Cyprus to act as single country at the international level (EU and UN) and (b) provides for guarantees/ intervention rights for Turkey, just for the TC state.

I am sure that reasonable TCs will go for this as it effectively gives them full self-determination and protection/ security as well as recognition and immediate entry to the EU - even if it does not grant them huge "loot" at the expense of their GC compatriots. Demands beyond this point would simply represent greed and cannot result in a solution.

GCs on the other hand would I believe also be willing to accept this in their majority, provided there were adequate quarantees for GC security and effective mechanisms to control Turkish settler flow into all of Cyprus.
An identical solution granting say 29% (per Annan) or even 27% to TCs would not be acceptable (i.e. returned land too little to justify "sacrificing" the rest). If this % drops to a level that "feels fair" on the basis of polpulation and ownership %, and the whole thing was safe/ securee then I think GCs would bite the bullet and move on.

[YFred]

GR said:

The “Turkish Cypriots” should’ve requested the setup of an unbiased international committee to investigate and determine the EXACT land ownership from all the valid evidence, so that they could then request their rightful percentage as a continuous territory and proportional seafront somewhere on Cyprus where both parties agree.

I actually think this is spot on.. and on the basis of my information, including international court decisions re EVKAV land claims etc, the true % for TCs is not far from 12%. That said, TCs should additionally be entitled to a pro-rata portion of state-owned land.. which together with a "goodwill" gesture by GCs to make the whole thing viable could push it up to say 22%.

I do think an arrangement along these lines might be acceptable to TCs provided it (a) also grants them near-sovereignty i.e. a sovereign state other than the minimum functions needed for Cyprus to act as single country at the international level (EU and UN) and (b) provides for guarantees/ intervention rights for Turkey, just for the TC state.

I am sure that reasonable TCs will go for this as it effectively gives them full self-determination and protection/ security as well as recognition and immediate entry to the EU - even if it does not grant them huge "loot" at the expense of their GC compatriots. Demands beyond this point would simply represent greed and cannot result in a solution.

GCs on the other hand would I believe also be willing to accept this in their majority, provided there were adequate quarantees for GC security and effective mechanisms to control Turkish settler flow into all of Cyprus.
An identical solution granting say 29% (per Annan) or even 27% to TCs would not be acceptable (i.e. returned land too little to justify "sacrificing" the rest). If this % drops to a level that "feels fair" on the basis of polpulation and ownership %, and the whole thing was safe/ securee then I think GCs would bite the bullet and move on.

Make that 27% and you will have a deal Majority TCs will accept.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot, the cases were in the news last year. A court decision obliged the GC family to return the property in Limassol and in Larnaca. I do not keep newspaper cuttings but I will try and see if it can be retrieved from the Politis archive.

[Bananiot]

I have checked it out with a lawyer friend who has represented TC's in RoC courts. It has happened but on extremely few occasions, perhaps that can be counted by the fingers of one hand. The GC refugee residents were given other lodgings, possibly better, so that they wouldn't make a big fuss out of this.