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Postby Lit » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:52 am

Gasman wrote:
ignored many UN resolutions


Israel ignored 'many' UN resolutions?

The list is almost endless!

But I suppose they can be forgiven that by some if they are going to be Cyprus' anti Turkey buddy!

Any links to where this 'Alliance' to 'Free Cyprus' has been signed or stated? Or is it just a figment of someone's desperate imagination?


Okay! Go take your issues with Israel to an Israeli forum! lol

Do you believe any potential gas or oil deposits located off the RoC's southern coast belongs to the RoC? If not, who does it belong to?
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:28 am

Gasman wrote:
ignored many UN resolutions


Israel ignored 'many' UN resolutions?

The list is almost endless!

But I suppose they can be forgiven that by some if they are going to be Cyprus' anti Turkey buddy!

Any links to where this 'Alliance' to 'Free Cyprus' has been signed or stated? Or is it just a figment of someone's desperate imagination?


Probably the latter not the former - I doubt Isreal has any serious desire to take on Turkey - she has no contigious disputed borders with the Turks, and therefore there are no direct territorial / security issues as exist with some of Isreal's immediate neighbors, which are of Israel's greatest concern.
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Postby Gregory » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:32 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
Gasman wrote:
ignored many UN resolutions


Israel ignored 'many' UN resolutions?

The list is almost endless!

But I suppose they can be forgiven that by some if they are going to be Cyprus' anti Turkey buddy!

Any links to where this 'Alliance' to 'Free Cyprus' has been signed or stated? Or is it just a figment of someone's desperate imagination?


Probably the latter not the former - I doubt Isreal has any serious desire to take on Turkey - she has no contigious disputed borders with the Turks, and therefore there are no direct territorial / security issues as exist with some of Isreal's immediate neighbors, which are of Israel's greatest concern.


No territorial issues? Turkey has just announced to Israel that it has no right to sign an agreement to demarcate its EEZ border with Cyprus and tap into what could be its most lucrative asset. I imagine this gas field must be worth more to Israel than the Negev.

If the Israelis went to war over a desert what would you think they'd do if someone messed with their gas?
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:31 pm

Gregory wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Gasman wrote:
ignored many UN resolutions


Israel ignored 'many' UN resolutions?

The list is almost endless!

But I suppose they can be forgiven that by some if they are going to be Cyprus' anti Turkey buddy!

Any links to where this 'Alliance' to 'Free Cyprus' has been signed or stated? Or is it just a figment of someone's desperate imagination?


Probably the latter not the former - I doubt Isreal has any serious desire to take on Turkey - she has no contigious disputed borders with the Turks, and therefore there are no direct territorial / security issues as exist with some of Isreal's immediate neighbors, which are of Israel's greatest concern.


No territorial issues? Turkey has just announced to Israel that it has no right to sign an agreement to demarcate its EEZ border with Cyprus and tap into what could be its most lucrative asset. I imagine this gas field must be worth more to Israel than the Negev.

If the Israelis went to war over a desert what would you think they'd do if someone messed with their gas?


My guess is, they would "fart" all over them.! :idea:
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Postby Lit » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:08 pm

Lit wrote:Too many people in this thread are concerned with something that is not theirs. The huge gas find is wonderful news for Israel. It will also make the RoC step up its own efforts to find natural gas off its coastal water. See, wonderful news.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =132646166

Cyprus To License Offshore Oil And Gas Search

by The Associated Press

NICOSIA, Cyprus January 4, 2011, 07:41 am ET

A top Cyprus energy official said Tuesday that the Mediterranean island will go ahead with a second licensing round for offshore oil and gas exploration later this year in a move that could stoke tensions with Turkey.
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:27 pm

Gregory wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Gasman wrote:
ignored many UN resolutions


Israel ignored 'many' UN resolutions?

The list is almost endless!

But I suppose they can be forgiven that by some if they are going to be Cyprus' anti Turkey buddy!

Any links to where this 'Alliance' to 'Free Cyprus' has been signed or stated? Or is it just a figment of someone's desperate imagination?



No territorial issues? Turkey has just announced to Israel that it has no right to sign an agreement to demarcate its EEZ border with Cyprus and tap into what could be its most lucrative asset. I imagine this gas field must be worth more to Israel than the Negev.

If the Israelis went to war over a desert what would you think they'd do if someone messed with their gas?


I think Turkish objections are not to Isreal exploiting its EEZ but with signing an agreement defining the EEZ with Cyprus, which (from the Turkish POV) is logical (but incorrect) as they alone do not recognise the internationaly recognised government of the ROC as the proper lawful government of Cyprus, and thus the agreement is in their eyes a nullity.

I doubt they will ever take steps to stop Isreal exploring in the Isreali EEZ, which is itself not contiguous with Turkey (I ignore the occupied state) unless thy have claims over the EEZ's of (a) Syria an (b) Lebanon.
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Postby Cap » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:58 pm

Love how they start crying over resources that don't belong to them.

Actually Stud, you're wrong. The Anatolian settlers claimed a solution in 1984 in the formation of some army base they call a 'republic' in the North which ONLY they RECOGNIZE as legitimate.
So if the Anatolian base is a sovereign entity why the HELL are they slobbering and foaming at the mouth over resources from another country they have zero right over.

Lawd the hypocrisy is blinding!
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Postby Lit » Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:37 pm

Cap wrote:Love how they start crying over resources that don't belong to them.

Actually Stud, you're wrong. The Anatolian settlers claimed a solution in 1984 in the formation of some army base they call a 'republic' in the North which ONLY they RECOGNIZE as legitimate.
So if the Anatolian base is a sovereign entity why the HELL are they slobbering and foaming at the mouth over resources from another country they have zero right over.

Lawd the hypocrisy is blinding!


Exactly.

Interesting article below:

http://www.energytribune.com/articles.c ... and-Beyond

Further west, Noble already holds the only lease in Cyprus waters, which could prove success in the outer reaches of the Levantine Basin. Israel and Cyprus are cooperating to define the borders of the continental shelf under the rules of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. A country has certain rights, which includes the right to explore and exploit natural resources, within a distance of 200 nautical miles. The closest distance between Israel and Cyprus is 140 nautical miles and, according to international law, the boundary is set at the midway between the two countries.

Natural gas may bring Israel and Cyprus (and by extension Greece) into a natural alliance, not just for the economic benefit. In a classic example of the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” the recent breech between Israel and Turkey brings the Greeks closer to Israel. A natural gas pipeline from the Israeli finds to Cyprus would be an obvious gesture of the rapprochement. Such a pipeline, which could benefit Cyprus, now in the process of making a decision to import natural gas as a highly expensive LNG, can become the vehicle for LNG liquefaction and then exports of LNG to a natural gas starving Europe
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Postby Lit » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:53 pm

Lit wrote:
Lit wrote:Too many people in this thread are concerned with something that is not theirs. The huge gas find is wonderful news for Israel. It will also make the RoC step up its own efforts to find natural gas off its coastal water. See, wonderful news.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =132646166

Cyprus To License Offshore Oil And Gas Search

by The Associated Press

NICOSIA, Cyprus January 4, 2011, 07:41 am ET

A top Cyprus energy official said Tuesday that the Mediterranean island will go ahead with a second licensing round for offshore oil and gas exploration later this year in a move that could stoke tensions with Turkey.


More on this from the Cyprus Weekly:

Exploration plan

04 January 2011 12:48


NICOSIA — A top energy official says Cyprus will go ahead with a second licensing round for oil and gas exploration off its southern coast later this year.

Energy Service Director Solon Kassinis said in an e-mail on Tuesday that the licensing round "is anticipated to be announced within the second half of 2011."

The island's 51,000-square-kilometer exploration area is divided into 13 blocks. Kassinis said two blocks on the easternmost edge of the exploration area that were left out of the first licensing round in 2007 will be included in the second one.

Cyprus has licensed U.S. firm Noble Energy to explore an 800,000-acre block bordering Israeli waters where massive gas fields have been found under the seabed.

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/main/92, ... 5933-.aspx
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:33 pm

Lit wrote:
Lit wrote:
Lit wrote:Too many people in this thread are concerned with something that is not theirs. The huge gas find is wonderful news for Israel. It will also make the RoC step up its own efforts to find natural gas off its coastal water. See, wonderful news.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =132646166

Cyprus To License Offshore Oil And Gas Search

by The Associated Press

NICOSIA, Cyprus January 4, 2011, 07:41 am ET

A top Cyprus energy official said Tuesday that the Mediterranean island will go ahead with a second licensing round for offshore oil and gas exploration later this year in a move that could stoke tensions with Turkey.


More on this from the Cyprus Weekly:

Exploration plan

04 January 2011 12:48


NICOSIA — A top energy official says Cyprus will go ahead with a second licensing round for oil and gas exploration off its southern coast later this year.

Energy Service Director Solon Kassinis said in an e-mail on Tuesday that the licensing round "is anticipated to be announced within the second half of 2011."

The island's 51,000-square-kilometer exploration area is divided into 13 blocks. Kassinis said two blocks on the easternmost edge of the exploration area that were left out of the first licensing round in 2007 will be included in the second one.

Cyprus has licensed U.S. firm Noble Energy to explore an 800,000-acre block bordering Israeli waters where massive gas fields have been found under the seabed.

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/main/92, ... 5933-.aspx


Can they go north?
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