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[boomerang]

i would prefer to be in bed with the israelis rather than with the turks and their guarantees...at least they are europeans

Are they?

They might wannabee, but Israel ain't geographically in Europe and Israelis ain't Europeans.

You shouldn't take your geography lessons from the Eurovision Song Contest.

oh gasfart is at it again...

australia is european in all aspects...just because it's situated away from europe doesn't mean we are asians...you need to pick it up gassfart coz i hate explaining the obvious to idiots...

It is only a matter of time before Australia becomes an Asian country,Boomers..You and I won't live long enough to see it,but you can't stop the march of history and geography combined...

bir i stopped looking at my balls long ago... ...but you say a matter of time and then you say we won't live long enough...the question is how do you define "only a matter of time"?...

today we are a european nation situated outside europe...

the reference i made was for today for gassfarts benefit that views the world with blinkers...blink blink, ain't that right gassfart?...

[Daniella]

the problem is not turkey
is Lebanon

[cymart]

Forget the official statements and propaganda-behind it all many people there have very varying opinions and there is an elite which is very pro-western behind the Islamic facade.....

[Kikapu]

And what if Iran No 1 and Iran No 2 become allies...Who is ging to slap them???? America??? Who cannot even slap Taliban? Or Israel who cannot even slap Hamas???

The big difference is that unlike Turkey, Iran is mostly self sufficient after many years of isolation so she can easily survive.

Turkey though seems oblivious of how heavily reliant she is of the US. Her US-made weapons systems wouldn’t even twitch against the West.

The assumption is that Iran and Turkey would be allies,and they would help each other survive...Is it not???Try to imagine such an alliance...The USA is,and they are shitting themselves...But as you know,I am a man of peace,GR! I do not make war scenarios like you do as a pastime...There is not one nation on earth ,Russia and China included, who would dare take on Turkey and Iran combined...It would be total folly...They are too scared to take on Iran alone...Back to the drawing board,Tiberius (with a keyboard)...

ps..I am not saying no nation is capable of invading and overcoming initally the Turkish or Iranian defences,but....heaven help them afterwards!!! :wink:

Bir, I'm in a strong belief and also what I've heard from others who may be in a position to know just a little bit more, that Israel will nuke Iran as a "First Strike" should Iran go ahead with it's nuclear weapons program no matter what the aftermath would be. I believe that is their policy and there is nothing Turkey can do for Iran at that point in time.

As for defeating Turkey militarily, it is not as far-fetched as you believe. All anyone needs to do, is to defeat the "rich target" Turkish Forces in small area of Cyprus and the rest will fall in place. All that need to be done, is to cut off the TA in the north from being resupplied, which is a simple task for many nations with a good military readiness, just because the TA in the north is nothing but a "sitting duck" with their backs to the sea. Lets hope it will never come to that and that cooler heads will prevail.

I don't follow what you are saying ,Kikapu...How would the main Turkish Military collapse if the Cyprus contingent is defeated??? I simply can't find a logical path from one possible event to the other...

All I'm saying is, Bir, is that defeating the TA in Cyprus won't be a major task for any nation with a good military standing if and when they are cut off from the mainland for supplies. Defeat for the 40,000 strong TA in Cyprus is a defeat for the whole of Turkey, militarily and politically, which will result in the "implosion" of Turkey itself by her own citizens. Turkey's great military strength all boils down to it's weakest link, and that weakest link for Turkey is her "sitting duck" forces in Cyprus.

AS for Iran, do you really believe there can be any 'contained' nuclear attack by Israel...? If it can't be contained,where would it end? Can you really imagine the whole Iranian population be annihilated by Israel in a nuclear attack??? No,mate,there will be No nuclear attacks on anyone in that region...That would precipitate bloody events the like of which have never been seen in history...America,Russia,and China could not possibly allow it...

Iran is on record that it wants to "wipe Israel off the map", and the only way they can do that, would be with nuclear weapons. If anyone for a minute thinks that Israel is going to sit and wait for Iran to build the Nuclear weapons it needs to destroy Israel does not understand that they will do anything to make sure they will survive any threats, specially when they already posses the means to make sure they would survive. They would ask for "forgiveness than permission" to destroy the threat.....maybe, since they are yet to apologize to Turkey, their long time friends, for the killing 9 Turks on the flotilla aid to Palestine.

It does not need to be the annihilation of the Iranian population. It certainly wasn't the case with Japan and it won't be the case with Iran. Lets face it, one nuclear explosion can ruin any one's day. All I'm saying is, Israel will strike if and when they feel the need to do so, that's all, and then let the chips fall as they may. At the moment, there is no such threat, just because Iran cannot produce nuclear weapons yet, and may never be able to, which would be the best outcome for everyone concerned.!

[ZoC]

if i was to chose between the feathered country and israel, i would prefer to be in bed with the israelis rather than with the turks and their guarantees...at least they are europeans and not some peasant islamists wannabe europeans....

this is a moot point. the jews lay claim to the land of israel/palestine because they trace their historic roots there. therefore they claim to be middle eastern (asian) in origin, not european. otherwise what possible justification have they to establish a state there, and to invite jews of the diaspora (european or otherwise) to 'return'?

moreover, the term anti-semitic has come to mean (by israelis/jews themselves) prejudice against jewish people. but to be semitic is to be afro-asiatic, with origins in north africa, western asia and the arabian peninsula. not europe.

[All4114All]

And what if Iran No 1 and Iran No 2 become allies...Who is ging to slap them???? America??? Who cannot even slap Taliban? Or Israel who cannot even slap Hamas???

The big difference is that unlike Turkey, Iran is mostly self sufficient after many years of isolation so she can easily survive.

Turkey though seems oblivious of how heavily reliant she is of the US. Her US-made weapons systems wouldn’t even twitch against the West.

The assumption is that Iran and Turkey would be allies,and they would help each other survive...Is it not???Try to imagine such an alliance...The USA is,and they are shitting themselves...But as you know,I am a man of peace,GR! I do not make war scenarios like you do as a pastime...There is not one nation on earth ,Russia and China included, who would dare take on Turkey and Iran combined...It would be total folly...They are too scared to take on Iran alone...Back to the drawing board,Tiberius (with a keyboard)...

ps..I am not saying no nation is capable of invading and overcoming initally the Turkish or Iranian defences,but....heaven help them afterwards!!! :wink:

Bir, I'm in a strong belief and also what I've heard from others who may be in a position to know just a little bit more, that Israel will nuke Iran as a "First Strike" should Iran go ahead with it's nuclear weapons program no matter what the aftermath would be. I believe that is their policy and there is nothing Turkey can do for Iran at that point in time.

As for defeating Turkey militarily, it is not as far-fetched as you believe. All anyone needs to do, is to defeat the "rich target" Turkish Forces in small area of Cyprus and the rest will fall in place. All that need to be done, is to cut off the TA in the north from being resupplied, which is a simple task for many nations with a good military readiness, just because the TA in the north is nothing but a "sitting duck" with their backs to the sea. Lets hope it will never come to that and that cooler heads will prevail.

I don't follow what you are saying ,Kikapu...How would the main Turkish Military collapse if the Cyprus contingent is defeated??? I simply can't find a logical path from one possible event to the other...

All I'm saying is, Bir, is that defeating the TA in Cyprus won't be a major task for any nation with a good military standing if and when they are cut off from the mainland for supplies. Defeat for the 40,000 strong TA in Cyprus is a defeat for the whole of Turkey, militarily and politically, which will result in the "implosion" of Turkey itself by her own citizens. Turkey's great military strength all boils down to it's weakest link, and that weakest link for Turkey is her "sitting duck" forces in Cyprus.

AS for Iran, do you really believe there can be any 'contained' nuclear attack by Israel...? If it can't be contained,where would it end? Can you really imagine the whole Iranian population be annihilated by Israel in a nuclear attack??? No,mate,there will be No nuclear attacks on anyone in that region...That would precipitate bloody events the like of which have never been seen in history...America,Russia,and China could not possibly allow it...

Iran is on record that it wants to "wipe Israel off the map", and the only way they can do that, would be with nuclear weapons. If anyone for a minute thinks that Israel is going to sit and wait for Iran to build the Nuclear weapons it needs to destroy Israel does not understand that they will do anything to make sure they will survive any threats, specially when they already posses the means to make sure they would survive. They would ask for "forgiveness than permission" to destroy the threat.....maybe, since they are yet to apologize to Turkey, their long time friends, for the killing 9 Turks on the flotilla aid to Palestine.

It does not need to be the annihilation of the Iranian population. It certainly wasn't the case with Japan and it won't be the case with Iran. Lets face it, one nuclear explosion can ruin any one's day. All I'm saying is, Israel will strike if and when they feel the need to do so, that's all, and then let the chips fall as they may. At the moment, there is no such threat, just because Iran cannot produce nuclear weapons yet, and may never be able to, which would be the best outcome for everyone concerned.!

But this is the misconception around the world, why can't Iran produce nuclear weapons when Israel receives billions of US dollars for military supplies and nuclear weapons? Why should Iran be the sitting duck when Israel has nuclear missiles that can target every muslim city around them. The misconception is that many arguements will be that Iran is unstable and funds terrorist activities so having such weapons in the hands of such a country will be catastrophic, but isn't Israel a terrorist state?

Now I don't support Iran nor am I in favour of Nuclear Weapons but for the discussion at hand on this forum I question the above of who is really pulling the strings saying one can and one can't have nuclear weapons.

[Daniella]

No worries for Iran someone is working trought to solve the problem.

Teheran 29 Nov. (AKI) - An Iranian nuclear scientist was killed and another injured in separate early morning attacks in the northern part of Iran's capital, Tehran, as the men were on their way to Shahid Behesti University where both worked

http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/Englis ... 28414.html

Iranian nuclear scientist 'killed by Mossad or the CIA'
A leading Iranian nuclear scientist was killed and a colleague injured in coordinated attacks blamed by the regime on the Israeli spy agency, Mossad, or the CIA.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... e-CIA.html

[B25]

Bir Wrote:

'.....Why should Iran be the sitting duck when Israel has nuclear missiles that can target every muslim city around them'

and

'....I question the above of who is really pulling the strings saying one can and one can't have nuclear weapons.'

So if you change Iran for Cyprus and Israel for Turkey in the above, you will see just how much of a F hypocrite you turks are.

Its OK for turkey to have fighter planes, tanks, 500,000 soldiers, and a shit load of other, but when poor old Cyprus tried to get some S300 Missiles (purely for defensive purposes), Turkey was shitting herself and making a song and dance about not letting the RoC have such a defensive weapon.

Typical F turks, mine, mine, and yours mine. Aholes

[Daniella]

US and Poland sign defence pact
Poland and the US have signed a deal for a future US anti-missile shield to be stationed in Poland, despite Russian objections.
Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, witnessed the signing of the pact in the Polish city of Krakow, which purportedly is aimed at defending Europe against potential threats from Iran and elsewhere.
"The United States is deeply committed to Poland's security and sovereignty," Clinton said at a joint news conference with Radoslaw Sikorski, the Polish foreign minister, on Saturday.
"Today, by signing an amendment to the ballistic missile defence agreement, we are reinforcing this commitment

Russian objectionsClinton sought to counter Russian objections to the plan, which it views as a danger to its own nuclear deterrent.
"This is not directed at Russia. It is a defensive system to protect our friends and allies and our deployed forces," she said.
"The real threats come from the development of short and medium-term missiles on a faster timetable from Iran."

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europ ... 28252.html

[Oracle]

Bir Wrote:

'.....Why should Iran be the sitting duck when Israel has nuclear missiles that can target every muslim city around them'

and

'....I question the above of who is really pulling the strings saying one can and one can't have nuclear weapons.'

So if you change Iran for Cyprus and Israel for Turkey in the above, you will see just how much of a F hypocrite you turks are.

Its OK for turkey to have fighter planes, tanks, 500,000 soldiers, and a shit load of other, but when poor old Cyprus tried to get some S300 Missiles (purely for defensive purposes), Turkey was shitting herself and making a song and dance about not letting the RoC have such a defensive weapon.

Typical F turks, mine, mine, and yours mine. Aholes

Excellent!