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[Bananiot]

YFRED

Bananiot, Did Makarios ever make a speech where he said he will throw all the turks in to the sea between 1963 and 1967?

I am not sure, but I can check it out. However, I do remember Bayrak making fun of us with commends like "glu glu, we are talking to you from the bottom of the sea".

Cypriots are like this YFred. They go to football matches, for example, not because they want passionately their team to win or care much about the game. They want the other team to lose, so that they can take the mick of the other team's supporters.

[BirKibrisli]

I have written about this before but a second read will not harm anyone.

In 1961 the council of ministers under Makarios were discussing whethen to spend 80 000 pounds to build a road to connect two large TC villages. Some suggested that it was too much money to spend on the stupid turks. Makarios thought that it would be a political mistake to just ignore the issue. Papadopoulos came up with the answer. Instead of building a two way road the government could build just one lane and this would cost only 40 000 bananas. His suggestion prevailed and after the meeting, Makarios commended Papadopoulos for saving 40 000 of the taxpayers money.

Today, he told Papadopoulos, you saved us 40K
No your Beautitude, answered Papadopoulos, today we were set back by 40K.

Moral lesson: Whatever you do, you will eventually be asked to pay the bill.
Problem: It is wrong that we all have to pay collectively the bill.
Solution: The bill should be shouldered by the fascists of the likes of Yialousa.

I remember reading this story somewhere else before,Bananiot...Could it be in Clerides' memoirs????

[Get Real!]

In detail, the Cyprus Republic has spent :
• 22.62 million for health care for Turkey, "Cyprus".
• 117.9 million for social services
• 1,22 million for child benefit and student sponsorship
• 9,25 million for agricultural factors
• 4,35 million for education
• 4,22 million for the provision of electricity to the occupied
• 0.26 million for telecommunications
• 7,46 million maintenance Muslim monuments and houses, department of Turkish language in the RIK and maintaining roadblocks.

This COULD have been an interesting thread, but with a Greek nationalist source it’s not going anywhere…

Now you're concerned as to who has outed such unacceptable behaviour? Of course, let the crime continue because you don't like the source which highlighted it. Double standards again GR! Wasn't it you criticising the Diaspora for not contributing as Taxpayers to the RoC? How are you going to tempt them, now, with such misspending? Should it have remained hidden?

I can’t accept any figures as credible evidence from a Greek nationalist junk site. He may want to post from a decent place… nobody’s holding his hand.

[Get Real!]

Bananiot, Did Makarios ever make a speech where he said he will throw all the turks in to the sea between 1963 and 1967?

It wasn’t a speech. When Turkey threatened to bomb in 1967 (Kofinou crisis) he warned that if she napalms again then TCs would cop it!

Or something like that...

[Nikitas]

"why should it be subsidising the occupiers?"

But it is not the occupiers, it is Cypriots who can prove their nationality and are willingly accepting the authority and civil service of the RoC. It is called making friends and influencing people, and a substantive proof that the RoC government takes its role seriously. It is probably the only good move our side has planned and carried out on its own initiative since 1960.

[Bananiot]

Agree Nikitas.

[Oracle]

"why should it be subsidising the occupiers?"

But it is not the occupiers, it is Cypriots who can prove their nationality and are willingly accepting the authority and civil service of the RoC. It is called making friends and influencing people, and a substantive proof that the RoC government takes its role seriously. It is probably the only good move our side has planned and carried out on its own initiative since 1960.

What about the electricity illuminating the "TC flag"?

Besides, it seems self-defeating if we object to other countries "trading" with the "Occupier-TCs" and then feed/clothe/educate them ourselves, for free.

Are you implying this is a better move than us accepting semi-democracy with them in 1960? The semi-democracy which we tried to improve and make fairer? This free-nurturing of the "Occupier-TCs" is a better move and more acceptable than being stuck with a vetoing TC-VP etc.?

Were we wrong to initiate proceedings for full democratic rights, in 1963, and this is how we make that mistake better? By feeding and clothing the "Occupier-TCs" forevermore?

Why would they ever want to give up this haven we have created for them?

[Bananiot]

She is all yours Nikitas, good luck!

[BirKibrisli]

To sign an agreement with the intention of braking it before the ink was dry,was dishonourable...Wanting to gift your country to another was treacherous...Trying to achieve "full democracy" by killing innocent people and intimidating a whole community into enclaves was un forgivable....You stuffed up big time and Bananiot is only reminding you of that at every opportunity...Now stop whingeing,accept your mistakes of the past,and get ready for a realistic solution which will NOT be 100 percent of what you want or what the TCs want...

[vaughanwilliams]

"why should it be subsidising the occupiers?"

But it is not the occupiers, it is Cypriots who can prove their nationality and are willingly accepting the authority and civil service of the RoC. It is called making friends and influencing people, and a substantive proof that the RoC government takes its role seriously. It is probably the only good move our side has planned and carried out on its own initiative since 1960.

What about the electricity illuminating the "TC flag"?

Besides, it seems self-defeating if we object to other countries "trading" with the "Occupier-TCs" and then feed/clothe/educate them ourselves, for free.

Are you implying this is a better move than us accepting semi-democracy with them in 1960? The semi-democracy which we tried to improve and make fairer? This free-nurturing of the "Occupier-TCs" is a better move and more acceptable than being stuck with a vetoing TC-VP etc.?

Were we wrong to initiate proceedings for full democratic rights, in 1963, and this is how we make that mistake better? By feeding and clothing the "Occupier-TCs" forevermore?

Why would they ever want to give up this haven we have created for them?

Like all the electricity in TRNC it is generated by Kib Tek, our generator and distributor of electrical power. There have been occasions in the past when electricity was SOLD to TRNC from RoC, when our main power station developed a serious fault.
The only people not paying for electricity in TRNC are the enclaved GCs in the Karpaz. The TRNC gov has decided, for whatever reason, that their electricity be not charged for.