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[Milo]

The north have been greedy and uncaring and seem to put the interests of the Developers and their best mates the Lawyer first, if you buy you are an afterthought in this disgusting process. Then of course we are talking about the north which is an illegally occupied country and buying property there is completely at your own risk.

So instead come and buy in the free areas here they (Developers, Lawyers, Bankers, Agents) are greedy, uncaring and seem to put the interests of their 'brown envelope' friends first. If you buy you are an afterthought in this digusting process. Its not illegally occupied, but the legal process takes decades only occasionally brings results is weighed heavily against the plainfiff, and therefore makes buying a property here completely at your own risk.

Many buyers now finding this out

[miltiades]

Milo , in the free part of Cyprus there are legal processes that should be ferociously prosecuted by those who have been hard done by unscrupulous developers.
I detest the fact that my own countrymen have put their own selfish greedy interests above the interests of the nation. The RoC must never allow these scumbags to get away with malpractices.
I very much regret that money has become the most precious commodity in Cyprus amongst many who would readily sacrifice their self respect and that of Cyprus for financial gain. It sickens me that the European Courts are not fully exploited in seeking justice in Cyprus.
As for those so called "ex-pats" who knowingly and willingly invested in a part of Cyprus that the entire world considers as an occupied by Turkey part of Cyprus I must say I have not the slightest interest in their financial predicament , it serves them right and the fact that most are perhaps approaching senility due to excessive digestion of Eastenders , Corie , big brother , booze and fags as well as the great British institution of a press the one and only SUN , or gutter press as commonly known .
On my early May visit to Cyprus I completed a property transaction and just as always no problems whatsoever, deeds in order , taxes paid and a few hours later transaction completed. It seems to me that the developers are the ones to watch out for and never trust a smart arse !!! Ask impertinent and direct questions , take no bullshit and dont be afraid to also be "crudently " rude , forget the stiff upper lip approach it does not go down well in Cyprus .

[YFred]

:shock: ... sorry I mean.... Gosh!

Can just very briefly say that this isn't really very nice news, by which mean here are some people, in the main fellow englezoos and englesooes, most of them past it and retired, who in many cases would have been conned in to parting with life savings by some smart-arsed and crooked tissy developer in expectations of living out their twilight years with the usual attractions of sun and sea and cheap beer.

Others of course, far more than would own up to it, knew full well what they were doing, that there was a reason for bargain basement and very affordable prices. Far too many knew they were "buying" stolen land, and who now curiously plead innocence and blame everyone but themselves as partners in crime so often do, ...but having said all that it still ain't nice that people in the Occupied North are now being thrown out into the streets with only their sofraga cos ain't the sort of chap to find contentment and satisfaction in the misery of others.

... and who is behind all this? All this misery? Who was the architect of the oh so clever Icedigger Exchange Scam? The wet-dreamer after Permanent partition on the base of invasion, with thousands of murders and rapings, of land theft and ethnic cleansing? Who is the one man to blame for all this?

Well my finger can only point in one direction, at that very fat white knight Rough Donktosh, now struggling like the bent ass he is, to patch up the irreparable and bankrupt Northern Property Scam. The very man who has brought as much trouble and suffering and devastation to CY as the Romaneucians, the Veneneucians, the GB Golo-nial Office and the Atheneucian Kunta all put together.

... and is this Very Big Bummer genuinely concerned for the personal misery of those who are about to be made homeless? Or for the greater number of people who now live in fear of a similar fate?

Well like feck he is, his only miserable concern, and you will all have heard him say so, is for the survival of the Northern Scam, for the Great Partition Plan.

(Gosh... went on a bit ....)

Exactly. I though you said you was goin to be brief. You lying cheating TC land grabbing thief.

[BOF]

Milo , in the free part of Cyprus there are legal processes that should be ferociously prosecuted by those who have been hard done by unscrupulous developers.
I detest the fact that my own countrymen have put their own selfish greedy interests above the interests of the nation. The RoC must never allow these scumbags to get away with malpractices.
I very much regret that money has become the most precious commodity in Cyprus amongst many who would readily sacrifice their self respect and that of Cyprus for financial gain. It sickens me that the European Courts are not fully exploited in seeking justice in Cyprus.
As for those so called "ex-pats" who knowingly and willingly invested in a part of Cyprus that the entire world considers as an occupied by Turkey part of Cyprus I must say I have not the slightest interest in their financial predicament , it serves them right and the fact that most are perhaps approaching senility due to excessive digestion of Eastenders , Corie , big brother , booze and fags as well as the great British institution of a press the one and only SUN , or gutter press as commonly known .
On my early May visit to Cyprus I completed a property transaction and just as always no problems whatsoever, deeds in order , taxes paid and a few hours later transaction completed. It seems to me that the developers are the ones to watch out for and never trust a smart arse !!! Ask impertinent and direct questions , take no bullshit and dont be afraid to also be "crudently " rude , forget the stiff upper lip approach it does not go down well in Cyprus .

Milo is right Milt - the british government posts warnings on its web site about buying property either side of the green line. just like the other side the deception in the south has been deemed as fraud. plenty of websites out there for you to look at regarding property scams in the south..and that rubbish about Stiff upper lip approach is a laugh - russians, germans and scandanavians have also got problems.
its not just developers, its banks and lawyers..

[BOF]

I don't think anyone has actually lost any homes in the free areas with the equivalent scams we are presented with by the actions of the Turks in the occupied areas.

Yeah, some loudmouths wanted to extort Billions from Cypriot developers and (inadvertently) over-publicised their own greed, but there are no justified grievances!

from todays Cyprus Mail

A BRITISH couple is planning to sue an Avgorou property developer, after he allegedly sold them an unfinished and illegally built house, demanded additional payments and then waged a campaign of harassment that has “destroyed” their lives.

Janet and Keith Smith say the harassment began after they learned their first lawyer was simultaneously representing the developer, and had stalled their planned legal action. Having appointed a new lawyer, the couple said their home was attacked, cement thrown in their pool and their car tyres slashed.

Fortunately, the Smiths seem to have found an ally in the President's Under Secretary, Titos Christofides, who has promised to support them by preventing delays in the court case and launching full investigations into the lawyer and the developer.

“At the end of the day this is a tragic story,” Christofides said yesterday. “I think that they are right, but they are in a difficult position from a legal point of view. We (the President’s Office) cannot solve the problem but we try, as far as our office’s responsibilities go, to make sure that it is solved in an honest and proper way.”

He added: “All our sympathies are with them.”

Like many British couples, the Smiths came to Cyprus with dreams of a fresh start in a sunnier climate. In the wake of a family tragedy, they sold their home in the UK and bought a house in Avgorou in Famagusta for €205,000.

Janet Smith said: "We have been coming to Cyprus for years, and after our daughter died we decided to bring our grandson here for a new start. He is fifteen now but he's been in our custody since he was three."

However, when they arrived in March 2009 to begin their new life, they discovered that their dream home property was incomplete, drawing electricity from next door and without its own supply of running water.

In the meantime they said the developer started demanding payment to complete the property’s basic infrastructure, such as steps outside and a water tank on the roof. The Smiths also claim he took an advance for a swimming pool and air conditioning which he has not completed.

"The electricity was off more than it was on, and he (the builder) started demanding money for work on the house. At that time we were very vulnerable and so we continued to pay" said Smith.

With escalating costs and their savings dwindling, they sought legal help. However, after months of pressing their lawyer, it transpired that he also represented the builder.

The Smiths found another lawyer, after which the relationship with the builder became hostile, they said, as he allegedly refused to plumb the house into the water mains, or connect the house to the electricity grid.

The couple then fell victim to a campaign of harassment that caused untold misery, health problems and further costs. "Once, the girlfriend of the builder arrived at the house and began verbally abusing me, saying that nobody would support us because we were English, and telling us to go home. I was frightened." Smith reported the incident to Xylofagou police, who cautioned the woman on February 26.

"It's destroyed us. It has made me very ill, we've run out of cash and we’re being harassed out of the country." said Smith, who says the ordeal has exacerbated her diabetes and cost them thousands in flights, to and from Cyprus, furniture shipping costs and rent in the UK.

The attacks also had affected their 15-year-old grandson, and just months after moving in they sent him back to the UK to live with one of his aunts because he did not feel safe.

In desperation, the Smiths went to the Presidential Palace and insisted on having their concerns heard.

They are due to go back to the UK later this week, returning to Cyprus for the trial. “I don't want to disrespect this country, but we feel we don't want to be here anymore. We just want our money back and to make sure this does not happen to any other families.”

[CBBB]

Buy-to-let fraud hits thousands

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/ ... 375652.ece

[Oracle]

I don't think anyone has actually lost any homes in the free areas with the equivalent scams we are presented with by the actions of the Turks in the occupied areas.

Yeah, some loudmouths wanted to extort Billions from Cypriot developers and (inadvertently) over-publicised their own greed, but there are no justified grievances!

from todays Cyprus Mail

Further proof that no one has ACTUALLY lost any of their homes through such scams. But issues of shoddy work and contractual disputes arise as they do anywhere else -- don't encourage me to post evidence from the UK and my friend's fiasco with a "starter home"

[B25]

I don't think anyone has actually lost any homes in the free areas with the equivalent scams we are presented with by the actions of the Turks in the occupied areas.

Yeah, some loudmouths wanted to extort Billions from Cypriot developers and (inadvertently) over-publicised their own greed, but there are no justified grievances!

from todays Cyprus Mail

Further proof that no one has ACTUALLY lost any of their homes through such scams. But issues of shoddy work and contractual disputes arise as they do anywhere else -- don't encourage me to post evidence from the UK and my friend's fiasco with a "starter home"

Anyone can go crying to the Cyprus Mail with alleged stories. Not disputing this couples plight, but to offer it as a credible link to highlight a point is pathetic. You can dig up shit and on any country is you want. Since the CM sells to the brits, then its obvious they are looking to 'cash in' on these poor peoples misfortunes.

The difference between issues in legalised countries and illegal occupied areas such as the 'trnc', is that, in the illegal areas you can run to no where when you have been shafted.

BOF you certainly live up to your nic. "Big 'Orrible Fartypants"

[Svetlana]

But the reality is, this should not be allowed to happen, through reasonable 'consumer' legislation, in any part of the world.

The issue under discussion is not property scams - these cases are not true scams - but the lack of legal protection for property owners. Can anyone name any other country where Title Deeds are not issued when a property is purchased?

lana

[YFred]

But the reality is, this should not be allowed to happen, through reasonable 'consumer' legislation, in any part of the world.

The issue under discussion is not property scams - these cases are not true scams - but the lack of legal protection for property owners. Can anyone name any other country where Title Deeds are not issued when a property is purchased?

lana

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