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[Oracle]

Piratis,
Turkey is not a person, like Cyprus it is a state. As states they do not possess a single and unitary consciousness therefore neither Turkey nor Cyprus (nor any other state, even Israel) can be hypocritical. Start again.

Surely the government of a state can be referred to as hypocrites, so the policy of that government could be said to be hypocritical.

"The hypocrisy of Turkey" can be interpreted as shorthand for "The hypocrisy of the government of Turkey"

You are splitting hairs simply to have a pop at Piratis, Copperline.

Hypocrisy :

The assuming of a false appearance of virtue or goodness, with dissimulation of real character or inclinations

States can have contradictory, inconsistent, or bad policies; politicians and diplomats etc can lie, cheat and kill for the state; but states cannot be hypocritical, true or good.

This is not splitting hairs, any more than it is splitting hairs to argue against characterising Greek Cypriots as being cheats or Turkish Cypriots as being lazy, or Turks as being killers. These people, like states, are not essentially any particular thing.

Having posted this explanation if I did this simply to assume a false appearance eg one who didn't give a damn about the proper meaning of hypocrite and just did this to dissimulate my real character to have a "pop at Piratis" (there are much easier ways, surely), then I would indeed be guilty of hypocrisy. But I'm not.

What rubbish and

[humanist]

Nevertheless, GR!, scoundrels we as Greeks might be; but the Greeks and Israelis have been living in these regions, harmoniously on the whole, for millennia. The recently arrived 'cat amongst the pigeons' trying to usurp everyone, is Turkey

speak for your self darls there is nothing Greek about me .... am 100% Cypriot ......btw I love the signature [/quote]

[humanist]

on another note .... its all corrupt Israel is a mini USA in the middle east .... it is easier for a jew to enter USA than going to heaven lol ... I cannot stand nations build on the miseries of others that includes the occupied area of Cyprus also known by the occupiers as trnc

[Piratis]

Piratis left it late but he did hoist an Israeli flag eventually. The situation as it is unfolding poses a real dilemma for all the bash patriots. This is because a good and proper bash patriot must be antisemitic and a Turk eater. Piratis and all the bash patriots of the forum chose the second. Why am I not surprised?

Where did you see the Israeli flag?

I was never antisemitic or "Turk eater". I simply oppose the policies of these two countries and I point out that Turkey has committed and continues to commit far more crimes than Israel and therefore she should get her own act straight first before trying to teach others.

If at some point we are forced to take sides and choose between Israel and Turkey, then of course we will choose Israel. Just like the Palestinians we can not afford to be picky because we have a country to liberate and this is our top priority.

Somebody said that Turkey is an elephant. She is not. The elephant in our world today is the USA. If the Turkish leadership makes the mistake thinking themselves as elephants and they force USA to choose between Turkey and Israel then make no mistake that USA will choose Israel and that will bring about a change in the balance of power. I doubt that this will happen now, but there is evidence to suggest that if Turkey is pushed away from EU and becomes even more Islamic then it is very possible that they will make this grave (for them) mistake.

[Oracle]

I don't think Turkey are making the USA choose between Turkey and Israel. I think Turkey long ago lost its USA backing (e.g. the Genocide recognition vote). Obama/Clinton have been bad news for Human Rights abusers, like Turkey, who are not fighting to survive but actually have an Islamic Expansionist policy. The Jews would always leave us alone, we've had no quarrel with them for thousands of years. Under the circumstances, we should back the US's support of Human Rights and the Israelis neutrality towards us and all join forces against the Enemy to Freedom, of the 21st century. Turkey!

[Bananiot]

What a lot of rubbish from both of you. You are holding your fingers crossed for war to break out between Turkey and Israel and hopefully with the help of the country you love to hate, Israel will prevail and, if we are still around, we might liberate our country and get rid of the Turks for ever. In the meantime, too bad for our dearest Palestinians, for whom we cared a lot but then we lost our interest and compassion when Turkey decided to show empathy for them too.

[Paphitis]

What a lot of rubbish from both of you. You are holding your fingers crossed for war to break out between Turkey and Israel and hopefully with the help of the country you love to hate, Israel will prevail and, if we are still around, we might liberate our country and get rid of the Turks for ever. In the meantime, too bad for our dearest Palestinians, for whom we cared a lot but then we lost our interest and compassion when Turkey decided to show empathy for them too.

[Piratis]

What a lot of rubbish from both of you. You are holding your fingers crossed for war to break out between Turkey and Israel and hopefully with the help of the country you love to hate, Israel will prevail and, if we are still around, we might liberate our country and get rid of the Turks for ever. In the meantime, too bad for our dearest Palestinians, for whom we cared a lot but then we lost our interest and compassion when Turkey decided to show empathy for them too.

Bananiot, do you think the Palestinians thought of us when they accepted the help from those who occupy our lands and and violate our rights? Obviously they didn't, and as I said from my first post I don't blame them. They can't afford to be picky and neither can we.

Of course we care about the Palestinians but obviously we care more about Cyprus, just like the Palestinians care more about their own lands than Cyprus.

By the way, I don't expect a war between Turkey and Israel to brake out, at least not any time soon. Turkey would lose big time in such a war and they know it.

[denizaksulu]

I can just imagine Azrail and Turkey going to war with ALL the Arab neighborrs picking their noses and Pakistan and Iran sitting on their hands and missing their chance to 'annihilate' Azrail.

What an intresting scenario.

[Piratis]

I can just imagine Azrail and Turkey going to war with ALL the Arab neighborrs picking their noses and Pakistan and Iran sitting on their hands and missing their chance to 'annihilate' Azrail.

What an intresting scenario.

The countries you mention have no power to go against Israel/USA.

The Six-Day War of June 5–10, 1967 was a war between Israel and the neighboring states of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. The Arab states of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria also contributed troops and arms. At the war's end, Israel had gained control of the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights. The results of the war affect the geopolitics of the region to this day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War