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by **halil** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:20 am

The representatives of the leaders of the two communities issued a statement after meeting on Thursday whereby the latest hitch in the talks was purportedly overcome.

“The talks are continuing on the agreed United Nations basis. All chapters are being negotiated with the aim of increasing the points of convergence on the understanding that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed,” said the statement.

UN Special Adviser Alexander Downer read out the statement just before leaving the island on his way to New York to brief the UN Security Council next week.

The Cyprus Mail reported that Downer said he was satisfied with the fact that the two leaders’ respective aides, Georgios Iacovou and Kudret Ozersay, met for three and a half hours on Thursday and “thrashed out” the above two sentences.

“That has been agreed to by the leaders. And we are pleased that that matter has been resolved,” he said.

Downer noted the process was a Cypriot one and was not guided by the UN, so it was up to Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots and their respective leaders to decide whether they wanted a solution or not.

He said the two aides will meet again on June 9 to discuss property, noting that “the process is moving ahead”. While no specific date has been set for the two leaders to meet, Ozersay was quoted giving June 15 as a possible date.

Asked whether the UN should be more active in indicating who strays from the basis of the talks, Downer responded: “Well I think the UN, as usual, has done a very good job, and very honourable job, and a very decent job. But we are not party political players in Cyprus; we are not a political party; we are not spokespeople for a political party; we don’t play politics.”

He has been told repeatedly by the government and all the political parties “that the UN is not to exercise arbitration or mediation”, said Downer, noting that the UN has faithfully stuck to its commitment not to have arbitration or mediation.

Driving the message home, he added: “We are quite happy to take messages between the two sides. We always give our opinion if anyone seeks our opinion. But people can’t have it both ways; they can’t, on the one hand, say ‘we have to sort everything out and we the Cypriots are not responsible for everything’, but on the other ‘we don’t want any arbitration or mediation by the United Nations’. Our role is a very low key role.”

Asked whether he was optimistic about a solution, Downer said it’s not just the two leaders that have to want a solution, but the public too. If the UN is not to play a more active role in the talks, then it is up to the Cypriots to be “responsible for their own destiny, their own future and their own decisions”.

If the people of Cyprus want a solution, they can have one. “If they don’t want one it is clearly impossible to do. So all of them must ask themselves ‘do I really want an agreement?’,” he said.

“This is an agreement which is within the grasp of the leaders…But the question is whether people want it or not, not the leaders alone, but whether the public want it or not. The future of this country is in your hands,” he added.

by **Gasman** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:06 am

If the UN is not to play a more active role in the talks, then it is up to the Cypriots to be “responsible for their own destiny, their own future and their own decisions”.

Could be construed as saying if the Cypriots do not sort it out themselves, the UN WILL play a more active role?

“The talks are continuing on the agreed United Nations basis. All chapters are being negotiated with the aim of increasing the points of convergence on the understanding that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed,”

Gawd if it took them 3 and half hours to come up with those two agreed sentences, (which I think we've heard before haven't we?) sounds like the talks will go on FOREVER.

by **Acikgoz** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:04 pm

Gasman wrote:
If the UN is not to play a more active role in the talks, then it is up to the Cypriots to be “responsible for their own destiny, their own future and their own decisions”.

Could be construed as saying if the Cypriots do not sort it out themselves, the UN WILL play a more active role?

“The talks are continuing on the agreed United Nations basis. All chapters are being negotiated with the aim of increasing the points of convergence on the understanding that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed,”

Gawd if it took them 3 and half hours to come up with those two agreed sentences, (which I think we've heard before haven't we?) sounds like the talks will go on FOREVER.

OMG - this will be a long process.

So did Christofias get what he wanted? I do not think so judging by the statement. Personally I think he wanted the time to plan what to do with the Pope, Archbishop etc to undermine the north.

The (Catholic) church worked the respect all religions angle, finally. Took some time, but will be worth much more to all Cypriots and the world in the long run. Cypriots on either side could learn a thing or two.

Consider the Pope's words compared with some of the vile and vulgar pontifications by certain members on this site. A few choice words and it is incredible the difference they can make to passions between anger and calm consideration.

by **Paphitis** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:14 pm

Turks will continue until all GCs are ethnically cleansed from Cyprus!

by **Acikgoz** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:31 pm

Well applying some logic to your statement - since 1974/5 -35 years, how many thousands of GCs have been ethnically cleansed.

Using the process of extrapolation again today, 1974 - 2010, where does that leave you - 2020 no ethnic cleansing 2040 no ethnic cleansing.

Maybe if RoC deems war-mongering as per some maniacs on this forum the numbers will be different. Sicko idiot.

by **YFred** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:34 pm

Acikgoz wrote:Well applying some logic to your statement - since 1974/5 -35 years, how many thousands of GCs have been ethnically cleansed.

Using the process of extrapolation again today, 1974 - 2010, where does that leave you - 2020 no ethnic cleansing 2040 no ethnic cleansing.

Maybe if RoC deems war-mongering as per some maniacs on this forum the numbers will be different. Sicko idiot.

Excuse my Psefdigopsofdigoausi friend. He knows not what he is saying. He can't help it.