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[denizaksulu]

Sry Deniz, confused me.

I'm all right Jack! 43 up, 18 down
buy i'm all right jack! mugs, tshirts and magnets
(originally: "Fuck you, Jack, I'm all right!!" - described the bitter dismay of sailors ("jacks") returning home after wartime in the Navy to find themselves not treated as patriots or heroes, but ignored / sneered at by a selfish, complacent, get-ahead society - phrase was subsequently toned down for acceptable general use.) Attitude of "every man for himself, survival of the fittest, devil take the hindmost", ... but also, that all the possible advantages (however gained), success (however won) and satisfaction (whatever the cost to others) belong to me first!" Narrow-focus, narrow-gauge pseudo-Darwinian selfishness glorified as a sensible philosophy of society and life.
People who find it hard to say "I'm all right Jack!" outright, say to anyone they find no longer useful: "I'm trying to get my life in order right now, so can you respect that, please?!..." (just before they throw themselves laughing into more fun and merry chaos!)


GR will understand the expression. It was for your benefit. I thought it apt, when you say we have 37% of the island and Cyprus can now be de-militarised............

[Oracle]

Texas Cow-boi wrote:

...where the ROC forces are spread out all over the island because the junta commanders ordered them to, so the Turk army can walk in.....

The Team Akritas are really great propagandists who made their naive people believe the myths they created...

Who believes the myths you spread, little turkish opportunist?

Especially when the reality of your Taksim plans are staring us in the face?

[Acikgoz]

Sry Deniz, confused me.

I'm all right Jack! 43 up, 18 down
buy i'm all right jack! mugs, tshirts and magnets
(originally: "Fuck you, Jack, I'm all right!!" - described the bitter dismay of sailors ("jacks") returning home after wartime in the Navy to find themselves not treated as patriots or heroes, but ignored / sneered at by a selfish, complacent, get-ahead society - phrase was subsequently toned down for acceptable general use.) Attitude of "every man for himself, survival of the fittest, devil take the hindmost", ... but also, that all the possible advantages (however gained), success (however won) and satisfaction (whatever the cost to others) belong to me first!" Narrow-focus, narrow-gauge pseudo-Darwinian selfishness glorified as a sensible philosophy of society and life.
People who find it hard to say "I'm all right Jack!" outright, say to anyone they find no longer useful: "I'm trying to get my life in order right now, so can you respect that, please?!..." (just before they throw themselves laughing into more fun and merry chaos!)


GR will understand the expression. It was for your benefit. I thought it apt, when you say we have 37% of the island and Cyprus can now be de-militarised............

So, to be clear, you are saying I'm alright Jack as TCs have 37%.... so I'm calling to demilitarise?

Well, given the question was TCs perspective on what it would take to demilitarise the North, then the obvious needs to be asked, what's to stop the North being over run from the south. If a military presence makes GCs feel more safe, then you should allow TCs the same need for protection.

[denizaksulu]

Sry Deniz, confused me.

I'm all right Jack! 43 up, 18 down
buy i'm all right jack! mugs, tshirts and magnets
(originally: "Fuck you, Jack, I'm all right!!" - described the bitter dismay of sailors ("jacks") returning home after wartime in the Navy to find themselves not treated as patriots or heroes, but ignored / sneered at by a selfish, complacent, get-ahead society - phrase was subsequently toned down for acceptable general use.) Attitude of "every man for himself, survival of the fittest, devil take the hindmost", ... but also, that all the possible advantages (however gained), success (however won) and satisfaction (whatever the cost to others) belong to me first!" Narrow-focus, narrow-gauge pseudo-Darwinian selfishness glorified as a sensible philosophy of society and life.
People who find it hard to say "I'm all right Jack!" outright, say to anyone they find no longer useful: "I'm trying to get my life in order right now, so can you respect that, please?!..." (just before they throw themselves laughing into more fun and merry chaos!)


GR will understand the expression. It was for your benefit. I thought it apt, when you say we have 37% of the island and Cyprus can now be de-militarised............

So, to be clear, you are saying I'm alright Jack as TCs have 37%.... so I'm calling to demilitarise?

Well, given the question was TCs perspective on what it would take to demilitarise the North, then the obvious needs to be asked, what's to stop the North being over run from the south. If a military presence makes GCs feel more safe, then you should allow TCs the same need for protection.

The sequence as I see it it.:

TA invades........takes 37% of the island..............you ask for de-militarisation.....so fuck the Greek Cypriots.

Hence 'you are alright Jack'. As long as you have the 37% fuck the GCs. Thats NOT what we want if we really wish a true settlement and peace.

[Acikgoz]

Deniz, I wrote earlier...

I understand all the arguments presented, I just wanted to give feedback to Nikitas on a rather sensible question he posed and to relay info I wasn't aware of as to the magnitude of increase in military expenditure.
I personally don't see the reason for such a large presence in the north, though one is required at least as a deterent. I'd assume calls for a reduction rather than an outright removal would probably be received better with greater likelihood of succes.

I can understand why you feel I am saying I'm alright Jack so demilitarise, not sure though what the path forward is given the leaders are making less and less progress on the talks for a solution.

I am not demanding or expecting anything, I would be curious what suggestions other TCs would have of reducting the military prescence in the north...

[Get Real!]

The sequence as I see it it.:

TA invades........takes 37% of the island..............you ask for de-militarisation.....so fuck the Greek Cypriots.

Hence 'you are alright Jack'. As long as you have the 37% fuck the GCs. Thats NOT what we want if we really wish a true settlement and peace.

Exactly! That’s how I can see the difference if someone is GENUINE about peace & justice or not… simple logic really.

[Paphitis]

The sequence as I see it it.:

TA invades........takes 37% of the island..............you ask for de-militarisation.....so fuck the Greek Cypriots.

Hence 'you are alright Jack'. As long as you have the 37% fuck the GCs. Thats NOT what we want if we really wish a true settlement and peace.

Exactly! That’s how I can see the difference if someone is GENUINE about peace & justice or not… simple logic really.

Only problem is that a bunch of Ottomans are going to have a piece of your arse. Some people are destined to be Ottoman Harem Bitches whilst others would prefer to jump off the cliff or kick their arse beforehand with just a little help from the region's real superpower and not some 2 cent third world nation that thinks it's a superpower and is trying every underhanded way to rebuild former Ottoman glories.

It's about time they get a good taste of their own medicine, and Israel is a good candidate to give them this medicine! It's about bloody time I say.

The stage is being set for Geopolitical changes which will rock the region. The stage is being set for the final showdown between Iran, Syria, Turkey and Israel, EU/NATO and other allies.

[kentish]

TCs have no compulsion/desire to attack the south. They just want to move on,

When you own 12% and someone gifts you 37% you'd have to be very stupid to complain eh!

Personally I'd like to see weapons/military steadily removed.

You don't say... so the sovereign republic of Cyprus should not be armed but the Turkish invader should!

Does your mum have any more clever ones like you at home?

very funny indeed,where does 12% come from

Land Ownership by Ethnic Group:

60.9% - Greek/Armenian/Maronite Cypriots
12.3% - Turkish Cypriots
0.5% - Others
26.3% - State/Church Land

Source: Department of Lands and Surveys (refer to Annex 14 in Volume II of the "Memorandum by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus" submitted to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons, 27 February 1987.

total rubbish taken from a greek propaganda site.keep googling and youwill find different figures.the reality is turkish cypriots owned at least 20% of the island pre 1974.now they seem to own 37% how nice is that

[BirKibrisli]

If you had the slightest sense or intelligence you will join the dots...
The excuse Turkey has to stay in Cyprus is to protect the TCs from rabid GC fanatics like Paphidis and Oracle and GR,and others who shall remain nameless...If you want to pull the rag from under Turkey you demilitarise the South,say "There, there is nothing to be afraid of"and watch the developping world opinion and pressure building on Turkey to withdraw her troops and agree to a reasonable solution...But you aim is not to find a solution...You want to dominate and punish the TCs,like during 63-74,for being Ottoman remnants....Well,keep it up and you will find yourselves in the arms of the neo-Ottomans in due course of history....And you will become the True Ottoman remnants!!!Because this time the Islamists will be fanatical and will insist that you go on your knees and pray 5 times a day in the right way and in the right direction....

[DT.]

YFred has asked a very sensible question....What is the point of having an armed force which cannot possibly defend the country against their "arch-enemy"????

It's a stupid question because uneducated nincompoops like you and Y-Fronts (with an obvious zero military experience) assume that Cyprus has no defense and at the same time are worrying why she is arming up! You contradict yourselves…

What you should be asking is HOW LONG can Cyprus’ defenses last for against this particular enemy, in which case I can assure you that she can last long enough for very sweet revenge… and don’t ever forget that.

Imagine,just imagine the impact on the UN,the EU and the world public opinion if RoC declared they would abolish the CNG sell all their military equipment,and spend the defence budget on measures to improve trust ,understanding,and respect between all Cypriots...

You’re asking the RoC to abandon her defense and use that money to build “trust” with those that parlay with the invader/occupier??? What are you stupid?

And what exactly would you have sacrificed in the meantime? Less mouchos?

Very predictable and silly bravodo,as expected from Tiberius (with a keyboard)! The sensible question remains...Why spend all this money on armaments knowing you will never be able to or allowed to use??? FAced with a formidable "enemy" intelligent people do not fight with the "enemy's" chosen weapons,but finds other more viable ways to defend themselves...I guess I answered my own question,I said "intelligent people"...

But we have and you keep blaming us for it...we stop any and all actions that might lead to recognition of a separate state on the occupied part of our island. Why complain?

As someone who is actively serving in the CNG I can tell you that the CNG's objectives are far more realistic and sensible than what you people think.

In fact I'd go as far to say that it is probably the most realistic objective we have as a state.