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[Oracle]

Let's regain some sense of balance, and remind ourselves as to who is our main ally in resolving the Cyprus Problem. Too many people here are jumping on the Turkish propaganda bandwagon of denigrating Greece and wishing her harm (to further weaken Cyprus, no doubt).

Let's pull together as philhellene supporters of democracy, freedom and human rights!



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Greece's alternate foreign minister Dimitris Droutsas called on Turkish prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan to fully withdraw the Turkish occupation troops from Cyprus and to return the occupied sector of Famagusta (Varosha) to its legal inhabitants, the Greek Cypriots, in an interview appearing in the Sunday edition of the Cypriot newspaper Fileleftheros ('Liberal').

Droutsas also urged Ankara to abandon its "double policy" of verbal assurances of volition for a Cyprus solution while at the same time promoting partitionistic policies.

The alternate foreign minister explained that such moves as troop withdrawal -- "and I do not mean semi-measures but a clear-cut decision for full withdrawal" -- and the return of Famagusta to its rightful inhabitants are "actions that Mr. Erdogan can make, thus proving that he is a leader who is truly changing the face of his country".

Droutsas further said that Greece's support of Turkey's EU course is neither "random support" nor provides a "blank check".

He also warned that those who endorse a special partnership with Turkey instead of full EU membership are undermining the reform effort in Turkey, and stressed that if partitionist policies were advanced distancing a Cyprus solution, "there will be no relationship with Turkey to discuss".

On the calls for an international conference on the Cyprus issue, Droutsas explained the Greek position that such a conference would be meaningful provided the negotiation process has progressed sufficiently, with respect to convergence of views by the two sides, to enable substantive progress in the international aspects of the Cyprus problem.

Further, an inviolable condition for an international conference is the participation of the Cyprus Republic in such a conference which, Droutsas said, cannot and should not substitute for the necessary "Cyprus solution" coming from Cyprus itself and a "European solution".

When the conditions are ripe, an international conference on the international aspects of the Cyprus issue would be useful, Droutsas said, adding that Greece was in full agreement and coordination with the Cyprus government on that issue.

He also stressed that Greece remains at the side of Cyprus and the Cypriot people "with actions, and not only in words", adding that it has proven this from the very first moment.

http://www.ana.gr/anaweb/user/showplain ... service=96

[YFred]

Let's regain some sense of balance, and remind ourselves as to who is our main ally in resolving the Cyprus Problem. Too many people here are jumping on the Turkish propaganda bandwagon of denigrating Greece and wishing her harm (to further weaken Cyprus, no doubt).

Let's pull together as philhellene supporters of democracy, freedom and human rights!



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Greece's alternate foreign minister Dimitris Droutsas called on Turkish prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan to fully withdraw the Turkish occupation troops from Cyprus and to return the occupied sector of Famagusta (Varosha) to its legal inhabitants, the Greek Cypriots, in an interview appearing in the Sunday edition of the Cypriot newspaper Fileleftheros ('Liberal').

Droutsas also urged Ankara to abandon its "double policy" of verbal assurances of volition for a Cyprus solution while at the same time promoting partitionistic policies.

The alternate foreign minister explained that such moves as troop withdrawal -- "and I do not mean semi-measures but a clear-cut decision for full withdrawal" -- and the return of Famagusta to its rightful inhabitants are "actions that Mr. Erdogan can make, thus proving that he is a leader who is truly changing the face of his country".

Droutsas further said that Greece's support of Turkey's EU course is neither "random support" nor provides a "blank check".

He also warned that those who endorse a special partnership with Turkey instead of full EU membership are undermining the reform effort in Turkey, and stressed that if partitionist policies were advanced distancing a Cyprus solution, "there will be no relationship with Turkey to discuss".

On the calls for an international conference on the Cyprus issue, Droutsas explained the Greek position that such a conference would be meaningful provided the negotiation process has progressed sufficiently, with respect to convergence of views by the two sides, to enable substantive progress in the international aspects of the Cyprus problem.

Further, an inviolable condition for an international conference is the participation of the Cyprus Republic in such a conference which, Droutsas said, cannot and should not substitute for the necessary "Cyprus solution" coming from Cyprus itself and a "European solution".

When the conditions are ripe, an international conference on the international aspects of the Cyprus issue would be useful, Droutsas said, adding that Greece was in full agreement and coordination with the Cyprus government on that issue.

He also stressed that Greece remains at the side of Cyprus and the Cypriot people "with actions, and not only in words", adding that it has proven this from the very first moment.

http://www.ana.gr/anaweb/user/showplain ... service=96

Wishing Greece Harm, Never, who said that, let me at them.

I'll sort them out.

[Gasman]

But, what does Greece's 'actual' Foreign Minister have to say on the matter? That would carry a lot more weight.

The 'alternate' can say whatever he likes.

He is the twit who was waxing lyrical about Greece's relationship with Germany being all fuzzy and warm at the same time the Greek newspaper was posting the Swastika on the front page.

He is the twit who said:

the Greek government has at no point in time demanded direct financial support from its EU partners, nor will it call for this. We are convinced that we can deal with this on our own.

yeah right.

[bigOz]

But, what does Greece's 'actual' Foreign Minister have to say on the matter? That would carry a lot more weight.

The 'alternate' can say whatever he likes.

He is the twit who was waxing lyrical about Greece's relationship with Germany being all fuzzy and warm at the same time the Greek newspaper was posting the Swastika on the front page.

He is the twit who said:

the Greek government has at no point in time demanded direct financial support from its EU partners, nor will it call for this. We are convinced that we can deal with this on our own.

yeah right.

[PushDaddy]

The greek Government, or Mother Greece to you bubbles, didnt require financial support from the EU.

Tell you what, what dosent Mother Greece forget about Cyprus for a while and sort out its own mess...........

[bigOz]

Who cares what the alternate minister says for FCKS sake! Its all Greek to me!

[Bananiot]

George Papandreou is no twit. He has inherited Greece's problems mainly from the previous government. At the time he made the statement Gasman referred to, probably he had no clear indication of Greece's financial woos. George Papandreou, as Foreign Minister in the Simitis government, orchestrated the Greek help to the Turkish people struck by the huge earthquake, causing severe trembles in the ranks of Greek and Greek Cypriot nationalists. George Papandreou demonstrated on numerous occasions that he stands for Greek-Turkish friendship, and for this he has been called various names, by Greek and Greek Cypriot nationalists. He was even accused because he danced a zeimpekiko with the late Turkish Foreign Minister, Cem. George Papandreou, with his broad view of Greek - Turkish relations, is scorned by the likes of Oracle and all Greek Cypriot fascists and this is quite understandable. If I were a fascist I would hate him too.

BUT, when I hear Turkish people scorn Papandreou, I say shame on you, ντροπή, ayip! (Or is it utanc?)

[DT.]

George Papandreou is no twit. He has inherited Greece's problems mainly from the previous government. At the time he made the statement Gasman referred to, probably he had no clear indication of Greece's financial woos. George Papandreou, as Foreign Minister in the Simitis government, orchestrated the Greek help to the Turkish people struck by the huge earthquake, causing severe trembles in the ranks of Greek and Greek Cypriot nationalists. George Papandreou demonstrated on numerous occasions that he stands for Greek-Turkish friendship, and for this he has been called various names, by Greek and Greek Cypriot nationalists. He was even accused because he danced a zeimpekiko with the late Turkish Foreign Minister, Cem. George Papandreou, with his broad view of Greek - Turkish relations, is scorned by the likes of Oracle and all Greek Cypriot fascists and this is quite understandable. If I were a fascist I would hate him too.

BUT, when I hear Turkish people scorn Papandreou, I say shame on you, ντροπή, ayip! (Or is it utanc?)

Apart from your reference to the selection of people you deem fascist for today Bananiot I completely agree with your post.

Papandreou is the closest thing to a politician with some vision that exists in Greece. In Cyprus, we have none.

[Bananiot]

It's the same people I deemed fascists yesterday and the day before, DT.

[DT.]

It's the same people I deemed fascists yesterday and the day before, DT.

I don't agree with freely labelling people fascists or traitors. We move on.