I'm the bullshit monitor today.
Well, that DID make me laugh! Can I be the milk monitor today?
Strong Support from our Ally Greece ...
by Get Real! » Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:03 am
Get Real! wrote:Greece’s attacks on Cyprus are as relentless as ever…
“Extra security measures have been taken largely to manage a crowd of Orthodox Christian fanatics expected to fly in from Greece to protest the Pope's presence.”
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/last- ... t/20100603
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by Paphitis » Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:43 am
Get Real! wrote:Paphitis wrote:Is Get Real! playing silly childish games again? How embarrassing!
It looks more like Paphitis looking for attention and hoping his arse gets whooped…
Yours just did get whooped! Now stop fooling around.
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by Bananiot » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:26 am
It is obvious GR that you have no idea of the recent history of Cyprus/Greece. You went as far as to get the names of some fascists that were imprisoned because of their ties with the junta but you wasted your time because you fell into your own trap and thought that Greece was all about the junta.
Can I make it a bit more clear for you? In 1931 we rose against the Brits and the events then are known as Dekembriana. Eleftherios Venizelos, Greek PM at the time, told us that we were stupid and from that moment this great man who commanded great support among the GC's, suddenly became enemy no. 1 because he told us to behave, to be careful not to harm ourselves while playing with fire.
Here is another example. After 195o Makarios was pressing the Greek government to take the Cyprus issue to the UN. Successive Greek PM's told Makarios to sit quite, because such a move would internationalise the Cyprus issue and would bring in Turkey in, as an important player. At the time Turkey did not even know where Cyprus was. Makarios wouldn’t hear about this. He organised demonstrations in Athens, Salonica and other big Greek cities condemning vehemently the “treacherous” stance of Greek governments. Eventually, I think it as Sophoulis, Greece gave up, took the issue to the UN and from then on the fate of Cyprus was sealed.
You see GR, if you exclude the last period of the 1967 junta, we have only our selves to blame, for we behaved mulishly, and did not heed some sound advice dished out by Greece.
In a nutshell, neither Greece nor Turkey is responsible for our predicament. If we start blaming more ourselves than others, we might begin to learn from our mistakes. If not, and simply blame the others like you suggest, we will make the same mistakes again.
Can I make it a bit more clear for you? In 1931 we rose against the Brits and the events then are known as Dekembriana. Eleftherios Venizelos, Greek PM at the time, told us that we were stupid and from that moment this great man who commanded great support among the GC's, suddenly became enemy no. 1 because he told us to behave, to be careful not to harm ourselves while playing with fire.
Here is another example. After 195o Makarios was pressing the Greek government to take the Cyprus issue to the UN. Successive Greek PM's told Makarios to sit quite, because such a move would internationalise the Cyprus issue and would bring in Turkey in, as an important player. At the time Turkey did not even know where Cyprus was. Makarios wouldn’t hear about this. He organised demonstrations in Athens, Salonica and other big Greek cities condemning vehemently the “treacherous” stance of Greek governments. Eventually, I think it as Sophoulis, Greece gave up, took the issue to the UN and from then on the fate of Cyprus was sealed.
You see GR, if you exclude the last period of the 1967 junta, we have only our selves to blame, for we behaved mulishly, and did not heed some sound advice dished out by Greece.
In a nutshell, neither Greece nor Turkey is responsible for our predicament. If we start blaming more ourselves than others, we might begin to learn from our mistakes. If not, and simply blame the others like you suggest, we will make the same mistakes again.
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by Get Real! » Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:41 pm
The only thing that’s obvious Bananiot, is that you’re incapable of engaging in debate because you ignore all questions and issues raised and just jump around like a bunny on heat!
One thing that I have established though is that Greek nationalism is oozing from your brain…
One thing that I have established though is that Greek nationalism is oozing from your brain…
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by Paphitis » Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:46 pm
Get Real! wrote:The only thing that’s obvious Bananiot, is that you’re incapable of engaging in debate because you ignore all questions and issues raised and just jump around like a bunny on heat!
Oh please! Give us a break! Pot, kettle, black comes to mind!
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by Bananiot » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:07 pm
I have been accused of many things in this forum but it is the first that I am told that I am a Greek nationalist. I think GR has taken a divorce from rationality. Apparently he arrived at this conclusion because he thinks I "let Greece off", but when he says Greece, he means the junta. This is the question he posed, the all important one, he thinks.
He takes the easy path. Picks the most detested part of the recent history of Greece and he pretends that this is what Greece is all about. He then draws the "necessary" conclusions that "Greece is an arch enemy of Cyprus". Well, this is stupid I am sorry to say, there is no other way to describe it. I also objected to his second assertion, that Turkey is an "arch enemy of Cyprus". Luckily for me he has not called me (yet) a Turkish nationalist.
Then he becomes personal.
First of all, the minds of many GC's were not poisoned by the junta, as you think. The minds of many GC's were and still are poisoned by state institutions, such as schools, churches, parties etc, well before the junta came to power. If you are looking for a scapegoat, contemplate on the above, make yourself useful.
Finally, to set your mind to rest, In 1967 I was a young boy in London, and as I was making my way to Trafalgar Square to participate in one of the first anti junta demonstrations, I run into Mikis Theodorakis. I looked at him with amazement and he understood that I recognised him. "Yia sou" he said, but I was so surprised by the sudden encounter that I lost my words and did not answer back.
No GR, I was not poisoned by the junta. I have been an internationalist throughput my life and the messages the junta gave out did not appeal to my ideology.
But you’re not answering the questions…which of the 18 convicted Greek traitors was giving Cyprus “sound” advice from 1967 to 1974?
He takes the easy path. Picks the most detested part of the recent history of Greece and he pretends that this is what Greece is all about. He then draws the "necessary" conclusions that "Greece is an arch enemy of Cyprus". Well, this is stupid I am sorry to say, there is no other way to describe it. I also objected to his second assertion, that Turkey is an "arch enemy of Cyprus". Luckily for me he has not called me (yet) a Turkish nationalist.
Then he becomes personal.
Your insistence on letting Greece off speaks volumes Bananiot … could it be that your mind was also poisoned at the time but have since evolved into the new bizarre you?
First of all, the minds of many GC's were not poisoned by the junta, as you think. The minds of many GC's were and still are poisoned by state institutions, such as schools, churches, parties etc, well before the junta came to power. If you are looking for a scapegoat, contemplate on the above, make yourself useful.
Finally, to set your mind to rest, In 1967 I was a young boy in London, and as I was making my way to Trafalgar Square to participate in one of the first anti junta demonstrations, I run into Mikis Theodorakis. I looked at him with amazement and he understood that I recognised him. "Yia sou" he said, but I was so surprised by the sudden encounter that I lost my words and did not answer back.
No GR, I was not poisoned by the junta. I have been an internationalist throughput my life and the messages the junta gave out did not appeal to my ideology.
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