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By David Ferguson in Brussels

"Negotiating means accepting each other as negotiating partners. The negotiating partners of Turkey would be all 25 EU-member states. How can Turkey negotiate its accession to the EU without recognising one of its members?" said Hans-Gert Poettering, chairman of the conservative EPP group in the European Parliament.
"Apart from the fundamental question - about whether Turkey should be member of the European Union or not - negotiations should not be strained by uncertainties about international law. This is not a good basis for the relationship between the EU and Turkey," added Poettering.
The German conservative MEP believes accession negotiations with Turkey are impossible as long as Turkey does not recognise EU member Cyprus. On Wednesday, British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, met with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdog(an. "I re-stated very clearly the position to the Prime Minister that the signing of the Ankara Protocol does not involve the recognition of Cyprus," said Blair following the meeting. "This was made clear last December, made clear again in the June Declaration of the European Council."
The UK, which currently holds the rotating six-month presidency of the European Union, is keen to advance Turkey's application for EU membership. "As regards recognition of Cyprus, we are where we were on 17 December. There is no difference in our approach," confirmed Turkey's PM Erdog(an. "With regard to the negotiations framework, we hope that it will be endorsed as soon as possible so that negotiations can begin on 3 October. This is in fact a requirement arising from the decisions of December 17," said Erdog(an.
Poettering accuses Erdog(an of being illogical: "Signing the protocol to the Ankara Agreement implies legal and political recognition of Cyprus. On the other hand [Erdog(an] is denying the recognition of Cyprus in a planned declaration." The German MEP is also unhappy with Blair's acceptance of Erdog(an's interpretation.
Since enlargement on 1 May 2004, the EU customs union has been comprised of the old 15 Member States but also of 10 new countries including Cyprus, which Turkey does not recognise. Ankara is the only country in the world to recognise the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. One of the conditions for Turkey starting negotiations with the EU on 3 October 2005, as foreseen, was full recognition of Cyprus.
"If Cyprus refused to agree to the European Commission starting negotiations in the Autumn, the Cypriot government would only be acting as a consequence of this situation," said Poettering. "Negotiating requires a unanimous decision, the Council Presidency is well advised to coordinate its position with all member states first."
Starting negotiations with Turkey may still be delayed. September elections in Germany are likely to see CDU leader Angela Merkel replace Gerhard Schröder as German Chancellor. Merkel has been a vociferous opponent of Turkey entering the European Union.
http://www.eubusiness.com/East_Europe/cyprus.2005-07-28
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I believe Tr is not worried if she will recognise CyR or not, but she is worried that she will recognise her wrong doings in Cy, occupation etc.
Tr is obliged to recognise CyR, what do you think it will happen?

[brother]

Turkey imo will not recognise ROC whatever the cost, i know this sounds pessimistic but its just not going to happen, but then i do not think the E.U will let Turkey drift away either hence at the end of this the loser will be ROC, but time will tell as we are all assuming here.

[MicAtCyp]

Turkey imo will not recognise ROC whatever the cost, i know this sounds pessimistic but its just not going to happen, but then i do not think the E.U will let Turkey drift away either hence at the end of this the loser will be ROC, but time will tell as we are all assuming here.

Imo Turkey will eventually do everything that have to do with recognition, instead of admiting it.
By the way she already signed the protocol and them made an oral statement.I think the party just begun. After we look at the oral statement we will know better.

[garbitsch]

Well, recognising RoC will mean denouncing TRNC, which will put Turkey in a very weird position. I just don't want to see what would happen in Turkey if she announce the recognition of RoC. In any case, we, the T.Cs will be the most vulnerable party in this strange game.

[metecyp]

Imo Turkey will eventually do everything that have to do with recognition, instead of admiting it.

I agree with that. This is already happenning. If Turkey didn't recognize RoC, why did Trabzonspor travel to/from Cyprus via Larnaca? After tha game, why didn't Trabzonspor cross the border to the north and travel via Ercan? When the GC team goes to Turkey, they'll get Turkish stamps in their RoC passports...how is this for nonrecognition?

I think recognition is already happenning but Turkey will never admit it until a new solution is found....

[garbitsch]

Well Azerbaijan will soon start recognising TRNC passports, and I bet the procedure will be putting arrival/departure stamps on the TRNC passports. I don't think this is actually meaning "official recognition". Yet, we all know that the faith of Turkey's EU membership is in the hands of Greek Cypriots. Let's hope carrot and stick do work between the member states, so that "bigger" states might dissuade RoC from realising any vetos on Turkish accession.

[erolz]

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Well Azerbaijan will soon start recognising TRNC passports, and I bet the procedure will be putting arrival/departure stamps on the TRNC passports. I don't think this is actually meaning "official recognition". Yet, we all know that the faith of Turkey's EU membership is in the hands of Greek Cypriots. Let's hope carrot and stick do work between the member states, so that "bigger" states might dissuade RoC from realising any vetos on Turkish accession.

You don't seem to understand, the legally recognized Republic of Cyprus is in the European Union now, there is NO chance any EU member can recognize the illegal so called 'TRNC' - And therefore, the other large power blocs (North America, Australia, Russia) are not going to recognize you either. Maybe a few other thief nations like Azerbaijan (who I believe stole that land off of Armenia) may do. But none of the Developed World can.

[gabaston]

Turkey will only be allowed Eu membership if it profits Eu. In which case the Eu will readilly draft up some non recognition clause/mumbo jumbo should recognition still be an issue.

[MicAtCyp]

Well Azerbaijan will soon start recognising TRNC passports, and I bet the procedure will be putting arrival/departure stamps on the TRNC passports.

Well in the thread regarding Azerbaijan I was almost shouting yet nobody gave me a reply.
Aren’t the trnc passports already accepted in UK, USA, and many other countries of the world?

[erolz]

Aren’t the trnc passports already accepted in UK, USA, and many other countries of the world?

No they are not.