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Shifting Balance ???

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Postby Gasman » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:31 am

There was no secret made of the fact that the flotilla was intended as a strong protest by people of many different countries against what most of the world consider to be the totally inhuman blockade against Gaza.

There was enough written in the news about it before it sailed. Both by those protesting and by the Israelis who had said there was no way it was getting through (they didn't say they'd kill anyone who tried).

Some are posting as if it came as a complete surprise to them that there was political motivation, only after the flotilla was attacked.

I wonder if any of those protested about the flotilla BEFORE it left? There was plenty of time - it was late leaving.
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Postby shahmaran » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:57 am

Oracle wrote:
Bananiot wrote:But, you have Turkish roots oracle.


The price of having this all-consuming, expansionist parasite on Earth. We are all similarly claimed. No doubt, any Aliens will become so infected, should they join our happy planet ...


Hello Oracle hows life? All great I hope! :)

Please care to explain how you call a country "expansionist", considering it has shrunk in size down to about a 10th of what it was?

Now take that and compare it to a mentality that believes the island should entirely belong to them and root it self to its mother land regardless of its diverse ethnic culture?

Either you have re-established the meaning of "expansionist" in your own mind, or have totally gone coo coo :P

Having seen what the Greek fascist would do with the slightest bit of power they got in such a short time, I'd hate to see them have any real power in this world, thats actually more scary than Israel. :lol:
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Postby Bananiot » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:37 pm

Fascists are all the same, no matter of their nationality.
Now, let us see: The Security Council has condemned Israel, so did the European Union. All the parties in Cyprus have done so too. In other words we are with Turkey on this one. That is a good starting point I think to press home our common interests. Forget about the bigots, you all know where they belong.
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Postby shahmaran » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:44 pm

Bananiot wrote:Fascists are all the same, no matter of their nationality.
Now, let us see: The Security Council has condemned Israel, so did the European Union. All the parties in Cyprus have done so too. In other words we are with Turkey on this one. That is a good starting point I think to press home our common interests. Forget about the bigots, you all know where they belong.


What a surprise, considering the RoC tried to stop the ships herself.

But when the entire world community agrees with Turkey, so does the RoC?

That is quite a backbone they got going there, what is it made of, gummy bears? :lol:
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Postby Bananiot » Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:14 pm

Okay, let us see. In your opinion, would the Turkish army allow an international flotilla to approach the phantom town of Famagusta with the aim of putting pressure on Turkey to return it to its inhabitants? How will the army welcome these people? With rose petals? I would pose the question in the reverse, had a prodominantly TC town been condemned to a slow death as a result of a blockade by a stronger militarily GC administration.

Try to be as objective as possible.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:47 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Bananiot wrote:If Turkey engages in war with aliens threating our planet, we would side with the aliens ... plonkers!


Just think of it as Israel and Cyprus joining forces against a mutual enemy - the terrorist nation of Turkey for the benefit of global and regional security. :lol:

Admit it Bananiot! If Israel gets so pissed off and then lashes out at Turkey altering the balance in Cyprus, then you would fly the Israeli flag the very next day.

My fellow Cypriots, it is time to develop new alliances. :lol:


Paphitis, you have to realise by now that Azrail has bitten off more than it can chew. I would not bet on Azrail attacking any escort ships in international waters.


Let's be realistic Deniz. The disguised Turkish MIT "activists" attacked the IDF boarding party and the IDF was forced to defend itself against Turkish aggression.



Are you saying that when the TA 'invaded' Cyprus the GCs had NO right to defend themselves.? I am surprised at you :lol:


Deniz, you can only get so much political milage from the fact that the IDF intercepted and boarded the flotilla in International Waters. I think you will find that some countries, Australia amongst them, have been doing just that for decades, mostly without incident.

Now, we have seen the released footage. "Activists" were clubbing IDF soldiers, 2 were thrown into a life boat, some were stabbed with knives, and there were some gunshots heard. Do you honestly believe that the IDF would just sit idle and not react? Do you honestly believe the IDF will apologise for breaking International Law and leave after their soldiers were clubbed, stabbed and shot at? I don't think so! :roll:
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:23 pm

Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Bananiot wrote:If Turkey engages in war with aliens threating our planet, we would side with the aliens ... plonkers!


Just think of it as Israel and Cyprus joining forces against a mutual enemy - the terrorist nation of Turkey for the benefit of global and regional security. :lol:

Admit it Bananiot! If Israel gets so pissed off and then lashes out at Turkey altering the balance in Cyprus, then you would fly the Israeli flag the very next day.

My fellow Cypriots, it is time to develop new alliances. :lol:


Paphitis, you have to realise by now that Azrail has bitten off more than it can chew. I would not bet on Azrail attacking any escort ships in international waters.


Let's be realistic Deniz. The disguised Turkish MIT "activists" attacked the IDF boarding party and the IDF was forced to defend itself against Turkish aggression.



Are you saying that when the TA 'invaded' Cyprus the GCs had NO right to defend themselves.? I am surprised at you :lol:


Deniz, you can only get so much political milage from the fact that the IDF intercepted and boarded the flotilla in International Waters. I think you will find that some countries, Australia amongst them, have been doing just that for decades, mostly without incident.

Now, we have seen the released footage. "Activists" were clubbing IDF soldiers, 2 were thrown into a life boat, some were stabbed with knives, and there were some gunshots heard. Do you honestly believe that the IDF would just sit idle and not react? Do you honestly believe the IDF will apologise for breaking International Law and leave after their soldiers were clubbed, stabbed and shot at? I don't think so! :roll:


I know the Azrailites. They wont apologise. We have seen in the past their bloody minded attitude towards the Palestinians. How easily the Chatilla massacres of the Palestinians are forgotten. The breaking of arms of young Palestinian boys, your brave IDF shelling civilians with such brutality, who forgets them? The activists on these boats had had enough warning and knew what to expect. They were determined to stop this piracy by the IDF. What gunshots? You believe the Azrailis you will believe anything. They cocked up big time, now they are squirming their way out of it. They will succeed only because of the Americans. Fancy the yanks telling the Azrailis to conduct their own investigation. I dont know why they should bother. Perhaps it was prepared before they began dropping onto the ships. Damn them all.
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Postby YFred » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:25 pm

Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Bananiot wrote:If Turkey engages in war with aliens threating our planet, we would side with the aliens ... plonkers!


Just think of it as Israel and Cyprus joining forces against a mutual enemy - the terrorist nation of Turkey for the benefit of global and regional security. :lol:

Admit it Bananiot! If Israel gets so pissed off and then lashes out at Turkey altering the balance in Cyprus, then you would fly the Israeli flag the very next day.

My fellow Cypriots, it is time to develop new alliances. :lol:


Paphitis, you have to realise by now that Azrail has bitten off more than it can chew. I would not bet on Azrail attacking any escort ships in international waters.


Let's be realistic Deniz. The disguised Turkish MIT "activists" attacked the IDF boarding party and the IDF was forced to defend itself against Turkish aggression.



Are you saying that when the TA 'invaded' Cyprus the GCs had NO right to defend themselves.? I am surprised at you :lol:


Deniz, you can only get so much political milage from the fact that the IDF intercepted and boarded the flotilla in International Waters. I think you will find that some countries, Australia amongst them, have been doing just that for decades, mostly without incident.

Now, we have seen the released footage. "Activists" were clubbing IDF soldiers, 2 were thrown into a life boat, some were stabbed with knives, and there were some gunshots heard. Do you honestly believe that the IDF would just sit idle and not react? Do you honestly believe the IDF will apologise for breaking International Law and leave after their soldiers were clubbed, stabbed and shot at? I don't think so! :roll:

That's because the ausies are a bunch of thugs. Their ancestry proves it. How on earth can you justify attacking somebody in International waters, unless they have WMDs.

I noticed that Israel implied that that was the case so they can justify it. Sticks as WMDs. Baffidobullo continue playing with your joystick dear boy, but for god's sake make sure there are some tissues available nearby, will ya.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:37 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Bananiot wrote:If Turkey engages in war with aliens threating our planet, we would side with the aliens ... plonkers!


Just think of it as Israel and Cyprus joining forces against a mutual enemy - the terrorist nation of Turkey for the benefit of global and regional security. :lol:

Admit it Bananiot! If Israel gets so pissed off and then lashes out at Turkey altering the balance in Cyprus, then you would fly the Israeli flag the very next day.

My fellow Cypriots, it is time to develop new alliances. :lol:


Paphitis, you have to realise by now that Azrail has bitten off more than it can chew. I would not bet on Azrail attacking any escort ships in international waters.


Let's be realistic Deniz. The disguised Turkish MIT "activists" attacked the IDF boarding party and the IDF was forced to defend itself against Turkish aggression.



Are you saying that when the TA 'invaded' Cyprus the GCs had NO right to defend themselves.? I am surprised at you :lol:


Deniz, you can only get so much political milage from the fact that the IDF intercepted and boarded the flotilla in International Waters. I think you will find that some countries, Australia amongst them, have been doing just that for decades, mostly without incident.

Now, we have seen the released footage. "Activists" were clubbing IDF soldiers, 2 were thrown into a life boat, some were stabbed with
knives, and there were some gunshots heard. Do you honestly believe that the IDF would just sit idle and not react? Do you honestly believe the IDF will apologise for breaking International Law and leave after their soldiers were clubbed, stabbed and shot at? I don't think so! :roll:


I know the Azrailites. They wont apologise. We have seen in the past their bloody minded attitude towards the Palestinians. How easily the Chatilla massacres of the Palestinians are forgotten. The breaking of arms of young Palestinian boys, your brave IDF shelling civilians with such brutality, who forgets them? The activists on these boats had had enough warning and knew what to expect. They were determined to stop this piracy by the IDF. What gunshots? You believe the Azrailis you will believe anything. They cocked up big time, now they are squirming their way out of it. They will succeed only because of the Americans. Fancy the yanks telling the Azrailis to conduct their own investigation. I dont know why they should bother. Perhaps it was prepared before they began dropping onto the ships. Damn them all.


Deniz, did you see the footage? Are you saying it was fabricated?

I do not forget about Israel's crimes. How could I?

But let's leave the Israelis to one side for a second. Let's say a Turkish vessel is headed for Australian waters with illegal immigrants on board on what Turkey calls a mercy dash. The Turkish vessel is boarded by Australian Navy in International Waters and the Turkish Crew attack the boarding party. What do you believe will happen? Do you think there will be repercussions?
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:46 pm

Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Bananiot wrote:If Turkey engages in war with aliens threating our planet, we would side with the aliens ... plonkers!


Just think of it as Israel and Cyprus joining forces against a mutual enemy - the terrorist nation of Turkey for the benefit of global and regional security. :lol:

Admit it Bananiot! If Israel gets so pissed off and then lashes out at Turkey altering the balance in Cyprus, then you would fly the Israeli flag the very next day.

My fellow Cypriots, it is time to develop new alliances. :lol:


Paphitis, you have to realise by now that Azrail has bitten off more than it can chew. I would not bet on Azrail attacking any escort ships in international waters.


Let's be realistic Deniz. The disguised Turkish MIT "activists" attacked the IDF boarding party and the IDF was forced to defend itself against Turkish aggression.



Are you saying that when the TA 'invaded' Cyprus the GCs had NO right to defend themselves.? I am surprised at you :lol:


Deniz, you can only get so much political milage from the fact that the IDF intercepted and boarded the flotilla in International Waters. I think you will find that some countries, Australia amongst them, have been doing just that for decades, mostly without incident.

Now, we have seen the released footage. "Activists" were clubbing IDF soldiers, 2 were thrown into a life boat, some were stabbed with
knives, and there were some gunshots heard. Do you honestly believe that the IDF would just sit idle and not react? Do you honestly believe the IDF will apologise for breaking International Law and leave after their soldiers were clubbed, stabbed and shot at? I don't think so! :roll:


I know the Azrailites. They wont apologise. We have seen in the past their bloody minded attitude towards the Palestinians. How easily the Chatilla massacres of the Palestinians are forgotten. The breaking of arms of young Palestinian boys, your brave IDF shelling civilians with such brutality, who forgets them? The activists on these boats had had enough warning and knew what to expect. They were determined to stop this piracy by the IDF. What gunshots? You believe the Azrailis you will believe anything. They cocked up big time, now they are squirming their way out of it. They will succeed only because of the Americans. Fancy the yanks telling the Azrailis to conduct their own investigation. I dont know why they should bother. Perhaps it was prepared before they began dropping onto the ships. Damn them all.


Deniz, did you see the footage? Are you saying it was fabricated?

I do not forget about Israel's crimes. How could I?

But let's leave the Israelis to one side for a second. Let's say a Turkish vessel is headed for Australian waters with illegal immigrants on board on what Turkey calls a mercy dash. The Turkish vessel is boarded by Australian Navy in International Waters and the Turkish Crew attack the boarding party. What do you believe will happen? Do you think there will be repercussions?



You cant cloud the issues at hand with hypothetical cases Paphitis. Each case has its own merit. I doubt very much that the activists had any firearms. I wish they did, that would have been justice.
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