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[Gasman]

And what about the Rachel Corrie? Is that another conspiracy by Turkey?

I don't think the name of the ship will be lost on the Israelis.

Rachel Corrie was an American member of the International Solidarity Movement. Crushed to death in the Gaza Strip by an IDF bulldozer while she was on her knees in front of a Palestinian's home, acting as a human shield, in an attempt to prevent IDF forces demolishing the home.

To me, that about equates to them naming the ship 'Murdering Israeli Bastards' and sailing it there.

Yes, whatever happened to Lebanon being said to be the 'sister country of Cyprus'?

[Bananiot]

Gasman, we all know about Rachel and the Palestinians deserve all the help they can get, from any country in the world. Having said this, I do not deny the right of Israel to exist nor do I condone acts of terrorism against civilians, such as the random firing of rockets from Gaza against Israeli cities.

[denizaksulu]

I am fed up with all these hypocrites Deniz. And what about the Rachel Corrie? Is that another conspiracy by Turkey? We have been talking about morality and ethics since 1974. Suddenly we discover "vital interests" and we wash our hands. Then we force activists from across Europe to use the illegal ports of northern Cyprus in order to demonstrate their support for the Palestinian people. In the not so distant past, small ships left Cyprus for Gaza and one of them was even ramped by an Israeli warship. This time we decided to turn our back on the Palestinians who are in danger of becoming victims of genocide. Our government told us that if we did allow ships to leave from our ports there was a risk Israel would allow its ships to do the Haifa - Famagusta trip. Our eurorepresentative, Mrs Theocharous did not get on a ship because sghe was informed that members of MIT would be on the ships too. The average bananiot believed her! A perfect excuse to wash our hands.

Until very recently Turkey followed a different policy on the Palestinian issue. Now it has changed. Whatever the reasons for this change, we should commend Turkey for this.

Sometimes I dont want to take these people seriously. They seem so shallow and without principles. Thats why I dont want to believe them - I give them the benefit of the doubt and that they are here for the sake of an argument and Turkey/Bananiot ashing

[YFred]

If any groups are going to operate out of Cyprus, then they should be concerned with "Freeing Cyprus". After all, our need is no less than that of Gaza. I'll bet there are no "Free Cyprus" pressure groups operating over there.

My only wish in life is that for you to understand their predicament, perhaps, Turkey can treat roc like Israelis treat Gaza and Israel treats the Palestinians the way Turks treat roc. Then you will know what's what and who is who and this precious thing called Humanity.

Get back to your hell hole and give us a bit of peace you demented witch.

[BirKibrisli]

Nikitas and GR, take the blinker off for a change. Your antiturkishness clouds your judgment so much that anything Turkey does is wrong. I cannot go along with this stereotype behaviour of yours. I am sure Turkey, just like anybody else, is capable of doing the right thing. The obvious power play unfolding between Israel and Turkey, as you claim Nikitas, means, I suppose, that we should now revert to the role of the "skillful neutral" and wait to see what will come out of this new situation, which could be of interest for our issue and if came to a achieving a significant gain at the end of the day, the Palestinians can go to hell. I can just see GR hosting an Israeli flag outside his house.

Birkibrisli, the government did not shed any light on what these "vital interests" as they called them, were. Some thought that it was the hydrocarbons discovered in an area that overlaps the Cypriot and Israeli EEZ. The government rejected this allegation. It is worth noting that for the first time in the history of the RoC, government and ALL opposition parties agreed on this one!

These hypocrites will be much disappointed,Bananiot,if they think Turkey is leaning on Israel without America's knowledge and approval...Erdogan would not utter a word about Israel without clearing it with Obama or Clinton first...Whatever is the plan Turkey will come out of this much stronger,and those hoping for a "shifting of balance" towards Turkey's detriment will have egg on their faces...Just wait and see...

[YFred]

Nikitas and GR, take the blinker off for a change. Your antiturkishness clouds your judgment so much that anything Turkey does is wrong. I cannot go along with this stereotype behaviour of yours. I am sure Turkey, just like anybody else, is capable of doing the right thing. The obvious power play unfolding between Israel and Turkey, as you claim Nikitas, means, I suppose, that we should now revert to the role of the "skillful neutral" and wait to see what will come out of this new situation, which could be of interest for our issue and if came to a achieving a significant gain at the end of the day, the Palestinians can go to hell. I can just see GR hosting an Israeli flag outside his house.

Birkibrisli, the government did not shed any light on what these "vital interests" as they called them, were. Some thought that it was the hydrocarbons discovered in an area that overlaps the Cypriot and Israeli EEZ. The government rejected this allegation. It is worth noting that for the first time in the history of the RoC, government and ALL opposition parties agreed on this one!

These hypocrites will be much disappointed,Bananiot,if they think Turkey is leaning on Israel without America's knowledge and approval...Erdogan would not utter a word about Israel without clearing it with Obama or Clinton first...Whatever is the plan Turkey will come out of this much stronger,and those hoping for a "shifting of balance" towards Turkey's detriment will have egg on their faces...Just wait and see...

I see it as pure opportunism. He is flagging in the polls, it looks as though Eroglu is not doing as he is told, so he needed a new front to mobilise public opinion.

Watch him send the flotilla with 500 commandos to take ion the Israelis just before the next election.

[BirKibrisli]

Nikitas and GR, take the blinker off for a change. Your antiturkishness clouds your judgment so much that anything Turkey does is wrong. I cannot go along with this stereotype behaviour of yours. I am sure Turkey, just like anybody else, is capable of doing the right thing. The obvious power play unfolding between Israel and Turkey, as you claim Nikitas, means, I suppose, that we should now revert to the role of the "skillful neutral" and wait to see what will come out of this new situation, which could be of interest for our issue and if came to a achieving a significant gain at the end of the day, the Palestinians can go to hell. I can just see GR hosting an Israeli flag outside his house.

Birkibrisli, the government did not shed any light on what these "vital interests" as they called them, were. Some thought that it was the hydrocarbons discovered in an area that overlaps the Cypriot and Israeli EEZ. The government rejected this allegation. It is worth noting that for the first time in the history of the RoC, government and ALL opposition parties agreed on this one!

These hypocrites will be much disappointed,Bananiot,if they think Turkey is leaning on Israel without America's knowledge and approval...Erdogan would not utter a word about Israel without clearing it with Obama or Clinton first...Whatever is the plan Turkey will come out of this much stronger,and those hoping for a "shifting of balance" towards Turkey's detriment will have egg on their faces...Just wait and see...

I see it as pure opportunism. He is flagging in the polls, it looks as though Eroglu is not doing as he is told, so he needed a new front to mobilise public opinion.

Watch him send the flotilla with 500 commandos to take ion the Israelis just before the next election.

I wouldn't put it past him,but he will need to clear it with America and NATO first...And probably with Israel as well...

[Nikitas]

Guys, my views on the Israeli attitude towards the flotilla and the Palestinians are crystal clear and available in other threads where I was accused of being an antisemite.

The question here is not whether Cyprus ought to support the Palestinians, it has done so for decades. Cyprus has traditionally good relations with all Arab states. Barely a year after the 1974 calamity Cyprus accepted thousands of Lebanese refugees during their civil war.

The point now is whether Cyprus can afford to get involved in what apparently is a peculiar power play between Israel and Turkey. Well can it? What would Cyprus do if its ships are suddenly stopped and searched by the Israeli navy? Something they can easily do by way of reprisals. Who are we going to call on for help? Our navy, the Greek navy, the Turkish navy ,or those other pimps who constantly talk of international legality and all that crap?

How is that a blinkered or hypocritical attitude?

[Nikitas]

Seeing the situation unfold between Turkey and Israel one has to recall the statement by Ecevit:

"Double union is unacceptable. Double union would make Greece a Middle Eastern power". And obviously one more NATO armed player in the area would complicate whatever is going on, and we do not quie know what is going on. Two days ago the Greek radio stations had information that Erdoghan himself plans to be a passenger on a future relief mission to Ghaza and that mission will be escorted by a Turkish warship.

[Gasman]

Two days ago the Greek radio stations had information that Erdoghan himself plans to be a passenger on a future relief mission to Ghaza and that mission will be escorted by a Turkish warship.

And two days ago that was exposed as a hoax.