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Postby RichardB » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:27 pm

humanist wrote:I for one support Turkey's criticism of Israel's attacks on Palestinians.

I also find it hypocritical that Turkey has invaded Cyprus and holds part of its territory hostage and inaccessible to its rightful owners pretty much what Israel has done to the Palestinians in 1947?

However I congratulate Edrogan on his stance in relation to Gaza and Palestine.


ISRAELIS OUT OF PALESTINE NOW
TURKS OUT OF CYPRUS NOW


Absolutely agree with this

Here is what I wrote on another thread in response to certain members of forum supporting the Israeli action

I think the fact that this was done in International Waters irrespective of any pre emption of what may or may not have been on board the vessel nullifies any justification for this attack. (As well as being against international law).

Now I'm probably going to be shot down here but did not the Turks give the excuse that their invasion was if you like justified by their being pre emptive of what would have happened to TCs during and in the aftermath of the coup d'etat in 1974.
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Postby humanist » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:47 pm

Richard B
Absolutely agree with this

Here is what I wrote on another thread in response to certain members of forum supporting the Israeli action



Richard .... Great minds think alike ;)


Besides I think I can be GC and still support other people's coz at the end of the day we are one human race. Hard for some like YFred to actually think of that objectively.
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Postby bigOz » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:56 pm

humanist wrote:Richard B
Absolutely agree with this

Here is what I wrote on another thread in response to certain members of forum supporting the Israeli action



Richard .... Great minds think alike ;)


Besides I think I can be GC and still support other people's coz at the end of the day we are one human race. Hard for some like YFred to actually think of that objectively.


If we are one human race why does it matter if the mainland Turks also settle in our lovely island? I mean blacks, pakistanis, arabs, russians, fillipinos, chinese, thai, english even Kurds and some Turks seem to settle in their thousands down south! No one asked the TCs if they are happy with it!

Are you selectively humanist about the human race or what?
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Postby DT. » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:05 am

YFred wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
DT. wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
DT. wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Okay, let us see. In your opinion, would the Turkish army allow an international flotilla to approach the phantom town of Famagusta with the aim of putting pressure on Turkey to return it to its inhabitants? How will the army welcome these people? With rose petals? I would pose the question in the reverse, had a prodominantly TC town been condemned to a slow death as a result of a blockade by a stronger militarily GC administration.

Try to be as objective as possible.


Honestly?!

As many evil things as Turkey might have done, for something that has this much coverage globally, she would not be stupid enough to do what Israhell did.

They would have probably let them through or stopped them in a non lethal manner, which was highly possible but the IDF did exactly what they always do, just shoot the crap out of everyone.

As long as they are supported by the US, they really do not care, simply because they know they can get away with anything as long as they call it "self defense" along with some gibberish about anti-Semitism and the holocaust.

Turkey does not have that luxury to fall back on every time she is in trouble.

She paid for entering Cyprus and we are still paying for their peace operation, while the fucking Jews murder more people than the population of this island while making sure everyone is eating their shitty vegetables from the other side of the continent.

If anything, it is us who needs a god dam flotilla! :roll:


In 96 100's of motorcyclists gathered from 20 different countries in Berlin. They rode all the way down to Cyprus to demonstrate against the continuing occupation of this island.

2 demonstrators were murdered by Turkish/TC police and millitary. Both murders were caught on CNN.


If you carefully watch the video, you can clearly see that it was no one other than a TC police officer who shot the guy on the pole and the second one was caught by an angry mob of civilians.

What did you think it was going to happen, that you were going to be welcomed with flowers?!

That protest, first of all it was violent(!!) and secondly, was as cleverly manipulated and worthless of any real meaning, as the ships that were attacked by the IDF.

Both gave perfect bargaining chips to politicians and both sparked a lot of nationalist/racist feelings, which, lets face it, only serves politicians.

Both achieved nothing, if you ask me.


Don'T make me post those images. Most of the blows on the head are given by a TC policeman and another on his body. This is in clear sight.

As for the shooting the only clear shooter we see in the video and pics is your former "minister of agriculture"


You can post them if you like, I have sene them a dozen times.

The shooter walks out from the 1st floor balcony of the building behind the pole, dressed in a police uniform, takes 1 shot with a pistol and walks back in.

About the angry mob, I do not remember seing any police officers amongst them, but either way, back to the original argument, none of them were from Turkey, has nothing to do with Turkey.

In the interest of clarity, here is the video. It looks like Shah is right.



It shows clearly on the video that the police are doing most of the hitting but since you are blind here's a picture.

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Postby YFred » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:20 am

Damn those TCs they should have had a bunch of red roses for the mental sod. What exactly did he expect when he run accross the border in the climate of the day towards a bunch of facsists waving metals bars and such like?

I gather your family is in the same club, attemted to run across the border into the best village in Cyprus.

Will you ever learn. Jaw Jaw is always better then war war.

One day , may be.
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Postby DT. » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:58 am

YFred wrote:Damn those TCs they should have had a bunch of red roses for the mental sod. What exactly did he expect when he run accross the border in the climate of the day towards a bunch of facsists waving metals bars and such like?

I gather your family is in the same club, attemted to run across the border into the best village in Cyprus.

Will you ever learn. Jaw Jaw is always better then war war.

One day , may be.


an apt description of the "trnc" police

a bunch of facsists waving metals bars and such like?
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Postby Oracle » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:07 pm

bigOz wrote:
humanist wrote:Richard B
Absolutely agree with this

Here is what I wrote on another thread in response to certain members of forum supporting the Israeli action



Richard .... Great minds think alike ;)


Besides I think I can be GC and still support other people's coz at the end of the day we are one human race. Hard for some like YFred to actually think of that objectively.


If we are one human race why does it matter if the mainland Turks also settle in our lovely island? I mean blacks, pakistanis, arabs, russians, fillipinos, chinese, thai, english even Kurds and some Turks seem to settle in their thousands down south! No one asked the TCs if they are happy with it!

Are you selectively humanist about the human race or what?


Of course there is only one human race. But we choose to observe different modes of behaviour. Some more civilised than others. Until all humans follow the same laws and rules, then we have to protect ourselves from the lawless thieves. So far Turkey follows expansionism, annihilation of neighbours and destruction of their heritage. They should stay away from us!
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Postby YFred » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:21 pm

DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:Damn those TCs they should have had a bunch of red roses for the mental sod. What exactly did he expect when he run accross the border in the climate of the day towards a bunch of facsists waving metals bars and such like?

I gather your family is in the same club, attemted to run across the border into the best village in Cyprus.

Will you ever learn. Jaw Jaw is always better then war war.

One day , may be.


an apt description of the "trnc" police

a bunch of facsists waving metals bars and such like?

I would accept "Some TRNC Police" but not all. My cousin was a TRNC policeman in Nicosia and had to resign for something or other a few years ago and he does not fit in your description. Nor do some other police frinds of mine. Now show me a police force that is whiter than white?

Pull yourself together man.
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Postby Acikgoz » Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:30 pm

All interesting stuff, somehow it was omitted from this thread that the organisation for the flotilla is based in Nicosia Cyprus.

Israel Turkey war - Those evil posters on this site, you show your real colours as you bay for anyone's blood to be spilt to further your cause.
How does that demonstrate that union with full democracy is the way forward when calls for such inhumanity is apparent for all to see.
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