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[denizaksulu]

BigOz

Also Bananidiot, stop short cutting to the napalms you evasive weasel! What caused the napalms drop and who was attacking/bombarding civilians just before they fell out of the skies? Go back and read your history correctly before making such hate filled stupid comments!

I haven't the faintest of what you are on about. Probably got your nickers in a twist.

He has mis-quoted you Bananiot.

[Bananiot]

How come Deniz? I have said nothing to that extend. I never used the word napalm. He has really got his knickers in a twist. Of course he should apologise, just as Israel should do, for killing unarmed people. I think anyone that takes the life of an unarmed person can be described as barbaric. There is no other way to describe such action.

[Oracle]

Those two unfortunate souls learned a very valuable lesson about life. .

You fucked up idiot!

People do not "learn a lesson" after they have been brutally killed for exercising their rights to freedom of expression.

Bloody stupid Turks! Who will rid us of this menace?

High time you learn: NO ONE!
You WILL either learn to live with us next door OR die! End of!

Nothing new then!

We have lived with this side of Turkey for eons.

High time the rest of Europe woke up to this, and supported us, if only to protect themselves (as the next layer of victims).

Are you really stupid big Oz? ... I am so disappointed!

[growuptcs]

Those two unfortunate souls learned a very valuable lesson about life. .

You fucked up idiot!

People do not "learn a lesson" after they have been brutally killed for exercising their rights to freedom of expression.

Bloody stupid Turks! Who will rid us of this menace?

High time you learn: NO ONE!
You WILL either learn to live with us next door OR die! End of!

Thats like a Turk telling his co-workers that he won't use deodorant because he enjoys his own body-odor.

No No GpTc. I have a bath every year whether I need one or not. You are being very unfair to us TCs.

No wonder why you never complain about a drought up north.

Having a shower ever time you post here seems to be sufficient for our hygienic needs, what?

Keep it up.

If anything could help out your hygienic needs, I won't veto. You look like a rake.

That's a very unfair comment. You have no idea what I look like. A rake I am not. More like "brick out house" if you pardon the expression, What?

I never heard of that expression ("brick out house") before. Isn't that the expression the Turkish builder was told when he built that brick around the pole going up the building? Can someone help a brother out with that pic.

[denizaksulu]

How come Deniz? I have said nothing to that extend. I never used the word napalm. He has really got his knickers in a twist. Of course he should apologise, just as Israel should do, for killing unarmed people. I think anyone that takes the life of an unarmed person can be described as barbaric. There is no other way to describe such action.

I meant he mixed you up with someone else.

[Bananiot]

I know Deniz, just pressing it on a bit.

This is how Nikos Dimou saw the events. Quite interesting. Promise to translate it tomorrow, its rather late now and Morpheus is calling.

Ένας φανατικός Έλληνας εθνικιστής (ο και Ελληνάρας αποκαλούμενος) συνδυάζει συνήθως δύο ιδιότητες: είναι τουρκοφάγος και αντισημίτης.

Φαντάζομαι το δίλημμα αυτού του ανθρώπου μπροστά στην τελευταία τραγική ιστορία στα ανοιχτά της Γάζας.

Βρίσκεται παγιδευμένος ανάμεσα στον αντισημιτισμό και το «προαίωνιον μίσος».

Το αξίωμα «όποιος σκοτώνει Τούρκους είναι καλός» (γι αυτό άλλωστε βοηθήσαμε στην Σερμπρένιτσα – για τούρκους λογιάζαμε τους Βόσνιους) πόσο ισχύει όταν οι φονιάδες των Τούρκων είναι Εβραίοι; Ανατρέπεται;

Είναι δυνατόν να διαδηλώνουμε υπέρ των Τούρκων (και μάλιστα φανατικών ισλαμιστών; ).

Προς στιγμήν το κάνουμε βέβαια (και σωστά – κάθε δολοφονία είναι ολέθρια).

Αλλά προσοχή Ελληνάρες: όχι για πολύ. Αλλιώς παίζετε το παιχνίδι του πονηρού Νταβούτογλου και της τουρκικής διπλωματίας που έστησε παγίδα στους Ισραηλινούς.

Αναρωτιέμαι μάλιστα πώς την πάτησαν. Για πολλά έχουν κατηγορηθεί οι Εβραίοι, αλλά όχι για βλάκες. Ακόμα και οι φανατικότεροι εχθροί τους παραδέχονται την εξυπνάδα τους – και μάλιστα, λόγω αυτής, τους θεωρούν επίφοβους.

Φαίνεται όμως πως υπάρχουν και Εβραίοι βλάκες, που προς στιγμήν κυβερνούν το Ισραήλ. Έτσι επαλήθευσαν την κυνική ρήση του Ταλλεϋράνδου: «ήταν κάτι περισσότερο από έγκλημα – ήταν σφάλμα».

Σκότωσαν εννέα ανθρώπους, τραυμάτισαν περισσότερους και έστρεψαν την παγκόσμια κοινή γνώμη εναντίον τους. Όχι πως είχαν πολλούς φίλους – τώρα δεν θα έχουν κανένα. Ακόμα και οι ΗΠΑ καταδικάζουν. Το Εβραϊκό λόμπι μπορεί να επηρεάζει αλλά όχι και να αντιστρέψει μία τέτοια αντίδραση.

Όσο ισχυρό κι αν είναι ένα κράτος – δεν μπορεί να τα βάλει με όλο τον κόσμο…

Y. Γ. Και στο τέλος τα παιχνίδια των μεγάλων και των πονηρών τα πληρώνουν οι μικροί κι ανώνυμοι – όπως τα φτωχά θύματα αυτής της συμφοράς…

…ένα βράδυ με σχεδόν πανσέληνο.

[YFred]

I know Deniz, just pressing it on a bit.

This is how Nikos Dimou saw the events. Quite interesting. Promise to translate it tomorrow, its rather late now and Morpheus is calling.

Ένας φανατικός Έλληνας εθνικιστής (ο και Ελληνάρας αποκαλούμενος) συνδυάζει συνήθως δύο ιδιότητες: είναι τουρκοφάγος και αντισημίτης.

Φαντάζομαι το δίλημμα αυτού του ανθρώπου μπροστά στην τελευταία τραγική ιστορία στα ανοιχτά της Γάζας.

Βρίσκεται παγιδευμένος ανάμεσα στον αντισημιτισμό και το «προαίωνιον μίσος».

Το αξίωμα «όποιος σκοτώνει Τούρκους είναι καλός» (γι αυτό άλλωστε βοηθήσαμε στην Σερμπρένιτσα – για τούρκους λογιάζαμε τους Βόσνιους) πόσο ισχύει όταν οι φονιάδες των Τούρκων είναι Εβραίοι; Ανατρέπεται;

Είναι δυνατόν να διαδηλώνουμε υπέρ των Τούρκων (και μάλιστα φανατικών ισλαμιστών; ).

Προς στιγμήν το κάνουμε βέβαια (και σωστά – κάθε δολοφονία είναι ολέθρια).

Αλλά προσοχή Ελληνάρες: όχι για πολύ. Αλλιώς παίζετε το παιχνίδι του πονηρού Νταβούτογλου και της τουρκικής διπλωματίας που έστησε παγίδα στους Ισραηλινούς.

Αναρωτιέμαι μάλιστα πώς την πάτησαν. Για πολλά έχουν κατηγορηθεί οι Εβραίοι, αλλά όχι για βλάκες. Ακόμα και οι φανατικότεροι εχθροί τους παραδέχονται την εξυπνάδα τους – και μάλιστα, λόγω αυτής, τους θεωρούν επίφοβους.

Φαίνεται όμως πως υπάρχουν και Εβραίοι βλάκες, που προς στιγμήν κυβερνούν το Ισραήλ. Έτσι επαλήθευσαν την κυνική ρήση του Ταλλεϋράνδου: «ήταν κάτι περισσότερο από έγκλημα – ήταν σφάλμα».

Σκότωσαν εννέα ανθρώπους, τραυμάτισαν περισσότερους και έστρεψαν την παγκόσμια κοινή γνώμη εναντίον τους. Όχι πως είχαν πολλούς φίλους – τώρα δεν θα έχουν κανένα. Ακόμα και οι ΗΠΑ καταδικάζουν. Το Εβραϊκό λόμπι μπορεί να επηρεάζει αλλά όχι και να αντιστρέψει μία τέτοια αντίδραση.

Όσο ισχυρό κι αν είναι ένα κράτος – δεν μπορεί να τα βάλει με όλο τον κόσμο…

Y. Γ. Και στο τέλος τα παιχνίδια των μεγάλων και των πονηρών τα πληρώνουν οι μικροί κι ανώνυμοι – όπως τα φτωχά θύματα αυτής της συμφοράς…

…ένα βράδυ με σχεδόν πανσέληνο.

Don't take too much notice of Big Oz, he's been wound up in the last few days bay quite a few patriots and Omer. People should know that nothing is gained by winding up people, it just makes them more entrenched.

[shahmaran]

Okay, let us see. In your opinion, would the Turkish army allow an international flotilla to approach the phantom town of Famagusta with the aim of putting pressure on Turkey to return it to its inhabitants? How will the army welcome these people? With rose petals? I would pose the question in the reverse, had a prodominantly TC town been condemned to a slow death as a result of a blockade by a stronger militarily GC administration.

Try to be as objective as possible.

Honestly?!

As many evil things as Turkey might have done, for something that has this much coverage globally, she would not be stupid enough to do what Israhell did.

They would have probably let them through or stopped them in a non lethal manner, which was highly possible but the IDF did exactly what they always do, just shoot the crap out of everyone.

As long as they are supported by the US, they really do not care, simply because they know they can get away with anything as long as they call it "self defense" along with some gibberish about anti-Semitism and the holocaust.

Turkey does not have that luxury to fall back on every time she is in trouble.

She paid for entering Cyprus and we are still paying for their peace operation, while the fucking Jews murder more people than the population of this island while making sure everyone is eating their shitty vegetables from the other side of the continent.

If anything, it is us who needs a god dam flotilla!

In 96 100's of motorcyclists gathered from 20 different countries in Berlin. They rode all the way down to Cyprus to demonstrate against the continuing occupation of this island.

2 demonstrators were murdered by Turkish/TC police and millitary. Both murders were caught on CNN.

If you carefully watch the video, you can clearly see that it was no one other than a TC police officer who shot the guy on the pole and the second one was caught by an angry mob of civilians.

What did you think it was going to happen, that you were going to be welcomed with flowers?!

That protest, first of all it was violent(!!) and secondly, was as cleverly manipulated and worthless of any real meaning, as the ships that were attacked by the IDF.

Both gave perfect bargaining chips to politicians and both sparked a lot of nationalist/racist feelings, which, lets face it, only serves politicians.

Both achieved nothing, if you ask me.

[Bananiot]

Shahmaran, if you have been following my posts over the years, you would know that I have apportioned greater blame on the GC leaders and warlords for the events that led to the invasion in 1974. We did not behave properly towards our TC compatriots. They were always second class citizens. When TMT undertook to protect them, we went on a killing spree, killing indiscriminately anyone, as long as he or she was TC. When I say we, I mean of course the warlords and their groups of nationalists, that were armed and funded by Makarios and thus the RoC.

Turkey invaded in 1974 in order to restore constitutional order. So far so good. She was one of the guarantor powers. The “problems” for Turkey and thus the TC's stem from the fact that Turkey is still in Cyprus after 36 years and on top, has allowed thousands of settlers to relocate to Cyprus. This points out to an effort to turkify Cyprus and makes mockery of the apparent pretext to invade. At the moment, we are talking extensively to try to find an agreed solution. Ideally, this would have been easier had the army left Cyprus. A gesture over Famagusta would help too. What I am saying is that Turkey can make or break Cyprus.

Unfortunately, geopolitical interests will be put way ahead of tiny Cyprus and Turkey, which is now attempting, successfully in my opinion, to become the main protagonist in our area, has coupled the Cyprus issue to her EU aspirations. From the Turkish point of view I suppose that this is the correct policy to pursue. But, little Cyprus may be asked to pay the price again, as other matters are now more important to Turkey and Cyprus can wait her turn, if it comes up again.

That is why I get very depressed at the chance we allowed to slip away in 2003, when Turkey was ready to go one step forward, due to the prevailing conditions at the time. The TC’s were crying out for solution and we listened to our turkophobic, nationalist President who warned us that it was just a communications trick by Ankara. Some GC morons go along with this logic, because their disturbed logic tells them it is better to wait for as long as it takes for the balance of power to change, rather than accept a compromise solution. They have no idea what another 20 years of stalemate will do to Cyprus and Cypriots in general.

[YFred]

Shahmaran, if you have been following my posts over the years, you would know that I have apportioned greater blame on the GC leaders and warlords for the events that led to the invasion in 1974. We did not behave properly towards our TC compatriots. They were always second class citizens. When TMT undertook to protect them, we went on a killing spree, killing indiscriminately anyone, as long as he or she was TC. When I say we, I mean of course the warlords and their groups of nationalists, that were armed and funded by Makarios and thus the RoC.

Turkey invaded in 1974 in order to restore constitutional order. So far so good. She was one of the guarantor powers. The “problems” for Turkey and thus the TC's stem from the fact that Turkey is still in Cyprus after 36 years and on top, has allowed thousands of settlers to relocate to Cyprus. This points out to an effort to turkify Cyprus and makes mockery of the apparent pretext to invade. At the moment, we are talking extensively to try to find an agreed solution. Ideally, this would have been easier had the army left Cyprus. A gesture over Famagusta would help too. What I am saying is that Turkey can make or break Cyprus.

Unfortunately, geopolitical interests will be put way ahead of tiny Cyprus and Turkey, which is now attempting, successfully in my opinion, to become the main protagonist in our area, has coupled the Cyprus issue to her EU aspirations. From the Turkish point of view I suppose that this is the correct policy to pursue. But, little Cyprus may be asked to pay the price again, as other matters are now more important to Turkey and Cyprus can wait her turn, if it comes up again.

That is why I get very depressed at the chance we allowed to slip away in 2003, when Turkey was ready to go one step forward, due to the prevailing conditions at the time. The TC’s were crying out for solution and we listened to our turkophobic, nationalist President who warned us that it was just a communications trick by Ankara. Some GC morons go along with this logic, because their disturbed logic tells them it is better to wait for as long as it takes for the balance of power to change, rather than accept a compromise solution. They have no idea what another 20 years of stalemate will do to Cyprus and Cypriots in general.

Perfect understanding as per usual. I agree with everything you said. I wouldn't get depressed though, onward and upward.

The youngsters will have to take this relay and will succeed.


This is what a 17 year old wrote yesterday.

I was not born in a united Cyprus.

As a child when I was at school, I was taught that GCs were my enemy.
Nobody told me that they are my brothers/Sisters. Nobody told me the Turks made mistakes too. But the truth is slowly slowly coming out.

My Enemy is not just Imperialism, Nationalism, Fascism,
America, England, Turkey, Greece are the fascists none can prevent peace.

Even if they steal our bread, grab our land, this land is ours, our hearts will not bow,
These hearts our strength and we donate to you our Cyprus, take this into account.
When ever happens I will die in a united Cyprus.