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[Paphitis]

Here I have to agree with Paphitis .
The "activists" clearly were annoyed at the IDF boarding their ship and clearly carried out attacks using whatever projectiles in their possession and they were not tomatoes or rotten eggs.
The problem here is that both the Israelis and the Palestinians , as religious and God fearing people that they pretend to be , are in fact full of hatred for each other. It is time that the Israelis abandoned the blockade and it is also time that Palestinians realize that for as long as Hamas remains committed to the destruction of the state of Israel atrocities and suffering will continue.

The actvists had everyright to defend themselves against the IDF. We should expect anyone to defend temselves against aggression. Period.

Defend against what?

[denizaksulu]

Here I have to agree with Paphitis .
The "activists" clearly were annoyed at the IDF boarding their ship and clearly carried out attacks using whatever projectiles in their possession and they were not tomatoes or rotten eggs.
The problem here is that both the Israelis and the Palestinians , as religious and God fearing people that they pretend to be , are in fact full of hatred for each other. It is time that the Israelis abandoned the blockade and it is also time that Palestinians realize that for as long as Hamas remains committed to the destruction of the state of Israel atrocities and suffering will continue.

The actvists had everyright to defend themselves against the IDF. We should expect anyone to defend temselves against aggression. Period.

Defend against what?

AGGRESSION!!

[Paphitis]

Here I have to agree with Paphitis .
The "activists" clearly were annoyed at the IDF boarding their ship and clearly carried out attacks using whatever projectiles in their possession and they were not tomatoes or rotten eggs.
The problem here is that both the Israelis and the Palestinians , as religious and God fearing people that they pretend to be , are in fact full of hatred for each other. It is time that the Israelis abandoned the blockade and it is also time that Palestinians realize that for as long as Hamas remains committed to the destruction of the state of Israel atrocities and suffering will continue.

The actvists had everyright to defend themselves against the IDF. We should expect anyone to defend temselves against aggression. Period.

Defend against what?

AGGRESSION!!

Boarding parties do not board with the purpose of hurting anyone on board.

[CopperLine]

Whether the crew and passengers resisted the attack by Israeli commandos is absolutely irrelevant to the basic illegality of piracy.

To add to the illegality of piracy we can now add the refusal of Israel to comply with basic maritime law in which alleged crimes are subject to the jurisdiction of the national registration of the vessel.

You see the trouble is with Paphitis's whole approach is that he wants to argue that Israel has the right to pick and choose individual bits of maritime law with which it will comply or deny. The consequence of this is that actually it opens a massive can of worms. Israel is not just breaking law for its own interest but also breaks the legitimacy of maritime law in toto.

Paphitis and his co-excusers simply have no response to the problem of generalising Israel's actions and reasoning. For them fairness or justice is not right, for them might is right. If so, don't complain of injustice if a suicide bomber blows up a Tel Aviv cafe, after all might is right.

[denizaksulu]

Here I have to agree with Paphitis .
The "activists" clearly were annoyed at the IDF boarding their ship and clearly carried out attacks using whatever projectiles in their possession and they were not tomatoes or rotten eggs.
The problem here is that both the Israelis and the Palestinians , as religious and God fearing people that they pretend to be , are in fact full of hatred for each other. It is time that the Israelis abandoned the blockade and it is also time that Palestinians realize that for as long as Hamas remains committed to the destruction of the state of Israel atrocities and suffering will continue.

The actvists had everyright to defend themselves against the IDF. We should expect anyone to defend temselves against aggression. Period.

Defend against what?

AGGRESSION!!

Boarding parties do not board with the purpose of hurting anyone on board.

To be sure; they just died of lead poisoning.

[YFred]

Whether the crew and passengers resisted the attack by Israeli commandos is absolutely irrelevant to the basic illegality of piracy.

To add to the illegality of piracy we can now add the refusal of Israel to comply with basic maritime law in which alleged crimes are subject to the jurisdiction of the national registration of the vessel.

You see the trouble is with Paphitis's whole approach is that he wants to argue that Israel has the right to pick and choose individual bits of maritime law with which it will comply or deny. The consequence of this is that actually it opens a massive can of worms. Israel is not just breaking law for its own interest but also breaks the legitimacy of maritime law in toto.

Paphitis and his co-excusers simply have no response to the problem of generalising Israel's actions and reasoning. For them fairness or justice is not right, for them might is right. If so, don't complain of injustice if a suicide bomber blows up a Tel Aviv cafe, after all might is right.

But Bafitdobullo has a few other problems. One of them being that his own country is doing exactly the same thing. We will not go into his real problems which is of personal nature.

[Linichka]

" We should expect anyone to defend temselves against aggression. Period."

And that includes the IDF soldiers who faced aggression.

[YFred]

" We should expect anyone to defend temselves against aggression. Period."

And that includes the IDF soldiers who faced aggression.

You have now become laughable.

[Paphitis]

I think you will find that Maritime Piracy laws do not apply to nations but apply to the detention of vessels in International Waters for PRIVATE ENDS. The boarding of the MAVI Mamara does not fit this criteria.

I am defending the use of proportional force, and am also objecting to Turkey's political point scoring antics which have created this debacle. I also object to Turkey's Geopolitical posturing by hijacking this otherwise worthy cause. I am also defending Israel's right of defence.

Many of you object to Israel's actions and have even described its actions as a deliberate act of aggression as if to say they diberately set out to kill people, when in actual fact nothing could be further from the truth. As stated many times, the MAVI was the only ship where lethal force was deemed necessary. This did not happen on any other vessel.

[CopperLine]

Here I have to agree with Paphitis .
The "activists" clearly were annoyed at the IDF boarding their ship and clearly carried out attacks using whatever projectiles in their possession and they were not tomatoes or rotten eggs.
The problem here is that both the Israelis and the Palestinians , as religious and God fearing people that they pretend to be , are in fact full of hatred for each other. It is time that the Israelis abandoned the blockade and it is also time that Palestinians realize that for as long as Hamas remains committed to the destruction of the state of Israel atrocities and suffering will continue.

The actvists had everyright to defend themselves against the IDF. We should expect anyone to defend temselves against aggression. Period.

Defend against what?

AGGRESSION!!

Boarding parties do not board with the purpose of hurting anyone on board.

To be sure; they just died of lead poisoning.

Paphitis,
That is a mind-blowing response to a crime "did not do X with a purpose" 'My purpose when I drove my car over Mr Paphitis was not to kill him but it was just to get to the corner shop more quickly.'
'Hitler's purpose when he invaded Poland was not to exterminate the Jews but to create lebensraum.'

As an Aussie-Cypriot you'll have grown up in the English law tradition (which also informs 95% of maritime law) in which it is the act which is the central legal fact, not motive or purpose.