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[IMPOSTALIEDUS]

[quote="Paphitis"]A video surveillance video was released from the Mavi Mamara, that showed footage of the "activists" preparing weapons, projectiles minutes before the IDF approached the boat. As one of the IDF speed craft came close, "activists" were shown to be throwing projectiles.

Clear indication that the "activists" were first to attack.[/quote yes i must admit ashamed as i am to agree this did happen , nasty people these activists how dare they resort to such violance throwing tomatoes at innocent idf with paint ball guns

[Get Real!]

Israel is in clear violation of international maritime laws…

The UN CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA defines Maritime Piracy as…

(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed:

(i) on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft;

(ii) against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any State;

(b) any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship or of an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship or aircraft;

(c) any act of inciting or of intentionally facilitating an act described in subparagraph (a) or (b).

http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_ ... osindx.htm


The International Maritime Bureau defines piracy as…

“The act of boarding a vessel with an intent to commit theft or any other crime, and with an intent or capacity to use force in furtherance of that act.”

http://www.icc-ccs.org/index.php?option ... &Itemid=16


IMB Piracy Reporting Centre

http://www.icc-ccs.org/index.php?option ... &Itemid=12

[Paphitis]

It has been widely claimed that the IDF did in fact carry paint ball guns. They also carried very real side arms, with very real bullets.

There should be no surprises in that. It is obvious that a boarding party will carry real weapons and will use those weapons as a last resort.

Furthermore, the IDF did not open fire just because a few "activists" were throwing projectiles at an IDF speed craft. Some time did elapse before IDF repelled on board, and some time passed before the opened fire whilst 2 IDF were very nearly thrown overboard, and at least 2 were on the deck copping a severe beating with metal rods and sticks.

You would have to be an idiot to believe they wouldn't open fire!

As for breaking International Maritime Law, I think you will find that in the face of National Security and International Terrorism, many just don't give a stuff....

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paphitis you have been reading and listening to too much israeli properganda again,,,, shots were fired and an activist was shot dead before they left the chopa, a camera man was also shot dead at point blank range ,he was holding his camera filming at the time ,,, if any of the idf were hurt you would have had them paraded on israel tv by now as bloody heros

[IMPOSTALIEDUS]

[quote="Paphitis"]A video surveillance video was released from the Mavi Mamara, that showed footage of the "activists" preparing weapons, projectiles minutes before the IDF approached the boat. As one of the IDF speed craft came close, "activists" were shown to be throwing projectiles.

Clear indication that the "activists" were first to attack.[/quote yes i must admit ashamed as i am to agree this did happen , nasty people these activists how dare they resort to such violance throwing tomatoes at innocent idf with paint ball guns

[Paphitis]

Israel is in clear violation of international maritime laws…

The UN CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA defines Maritime Piracy as…

(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed:

(i) on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft;

(ii) against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any State;

(b) any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship or of an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship or aircraft;

(c) any act of inciting or of intentionally facilitating an act described in subparagraph (a) or (b).

http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_ ... osindx.htm


The International Maritime Bureau defines piracy as…

“The act of boarding a vessel with an intent to commit theft or any other crime, and with an intent or capacity to use force in furtherance of that act.”

http://www.icc-ccs.org/index.php?option ... &Itemid=16


IMB Piracy Reporting Centre

http://www.icc-ccs.org/index.php?option ... &Itemid=12

Thanks very much for this fine bit of research GR!

But I think you will find that you have wasted your time.

You see, Piracy laws are applicable to the detention of vessels for Private Ends, such as is the case with the Somali Pirates. Piracy laws do not apply to nations who conduct military operations which involve the interception of vessels on high seas.

Close, but no carrot I'm afraid.

[Paphitis]

paphitis you have been reading and listening to too much israeli properganda again,,,, shots were fired and an activist was shot dead before they left the chopa, a camera man was also shot dead at point blank range ,he was holding his camera filming at the time ,,, if any of the idf were hurt you would have had them paraded on israel tv by now as bloody heros

Sorry mate, but you are being silly.

If shots were fired from the chopper, you can pretty much guarantee that no one will be just casually standing on the deck.

Some other ships were boarded prior to the Mavi, and no one was shot.

[miltiades]

Here I have to agree with Paphitis .
The "activists" clearly were annoyed at the IDF boarding their ship and clearly carried out attacks using whatever projectiles in their possession and they were not tomatoes or rotten eggs.
The problem here is that both the Israelis and the Palestinians , as religious and God fearing people that they pretend to be , are in fact full of hatred for each other. It is time that the Israelis abandoned the blockade and it is also time that Palestinians realize that for as long as Hamas remains committed to the destruction of the state of Israel atrocities and suffering will continue.

[Milo]

It appears that one of the initial flotilla, not on the first attempt is now heading for Gaza. The IRISH ship the "Rachel Corrie" is now sailing for Gaza carrying humanitarian aid. Hopefully she will have a safe trip.

The "Rachel Corrie" was named after the young US citizen killed in the Gaza Strip by an Israel Defence Forces (IDF) bulldozer while attempting to prevent IDF forces from demolishing the home of a local Palestinian.

It was first reported that it would be diverted to Eqypt, but Radio Ulster spoke to the Captain this morning who announced it would arrive in Gaza on Saturday. He gave details of the number of people on board,half Irish and the other half from Malaya.

Prior to the ship leaving it was inspected by customs officers in the presence of a minister of the Irish Government and the hold's were sealed.

They, those on board,had a meeting after learning about the the other ships being boarded but made the decision to continue and when asked why he said that he has been to Gaza several times and believes that the conditions that the people are living under are inhumain and the supplies that they are taking are vital.

Israel has already announced that the ship will not be allowed into Gaza, its holds contain building supplies.

Richard Falk (an international lawyer and UN special rapporteur for the Occupied Palestine Territories) is especially clear that the official Israeli propaganda strategy of focusing attention on whether Israeli commandos were attacked and were acting in self-defense is morally misplaced: the Israeli government launched an unprovoked attack on an unarmed civilian vessel in international waters; the Israeli government was therefore the aggressors and its commandos had no right of self-defense. The civilians being attacked did have such a right.

[denizaksulu]

Here I have to agree with Paphitis .
The "activists" clearly were annoyed at the IDF boarding their ship and clearly carried out attacks using whatever projectiles in their possession and they were not tomatoes or rotten eggs.
The problem here is that both the Israelis and the Palestinians , as religious and God fearing people that they pretend to be , are in fact full of hatred for each other. It is time that the Israelis abandoned the blockade and it is also time that Palestinians realize that for as long as Hamas remains committed to the destruction of the state of Israel atrocities and suffering will continue.

The actvists had everyright to defend themselves against the IDF. We should expect anyone to defend temselves against aggression. Period.