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[denizaksulu]

Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers

Make up your own minds...

Foolhardy but brave of them to resist heavily armed soldiers of the IDF. They all deserve a medal.

[Paphitis]

Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers

Make up your own minds...

Cap,
Every single piece of video footage covering the attack, with the exception of a turkish TV and an al-Jazeera excerpt, have been provided by and through the Israeli military censor. Those some Israeli IDF videos have been played over and over again on all the world's television networks. Effectively there is no other story of the attack on the flotilla except that provided by the Israeli state. (only today are some other eye-witness accounts beginning to come out). You cannot reasonably ask people to make up their minds on the basis of a monopoly.

The evidence provided by the Israelis looks pretty conclusive. The 'activists' were grabbing the Israeli soldiers as the repelled down from the chopper, flung them to the deck and started to beat them up with metal rods and sticks. The fact that the IDF did not react earlier is clear enough indication to me, that they had no intention of violence, as is usually the case in such situations. When the CO is shocked to see that the lives of his soldiers are now in danger, then the decision was made to use proportional force.

It is only natural that the "activists" will provide 'eye witness' accounts of 'Israeli aggression'.

This is what happened:
1) IDF board vessel in International Waters,
2) 'activists' attack IDF which is basically an invitation to the IDF to open fire, and
3) IDF open fire and kill 9 'activists'.

Very sad that 9 should die. And the biggest losers in this political point scoring debacle under the guise of 'humanitarian aid', are the Palestinians as per usual.

The activists actions were an invitation to open fire. They might as well have tattooed "PLEASE SHOOT ME" on their foreheads! And that is exactly what the IDF did!

Turkey should be ashamed of itself for this latest bloodbath!

[CBBB]

Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers

Make up your own minds...

Cap,
Every single piece of video footage covering the attack, with the exception of a turkish TV and an al-Jazeera excerpt, have been provided by and through the Israeli military censor. Those some Israeli IDF videos have been played over and over again on all the world's television networks. Effectively there is no other story of the attack on the flotilla except that provided by the Israeli state. (only today are some other eye-witness accounts beginning to come out). You cannot reasonably ask people to make up their minds on the basis of a monopoly.

I'm not judging. This is all that was available. I'm just providing it.
I know its a sensitive issue.
Yes the Turks attacked them like demons from hell, but the question is, what provoked it? Did the IDF open fire first? Too many unanswered questions.

Listen Dumbo, that is not what is available, there is plenty which is available but not allowed because the fuckers have got them. Get a life. Wait till all the facts are known. Don't be stupid all your life.

He is obviously using you as a role model, old chap, what?

[Paphitis]

Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers

Make up your own minds...

Cap,
Every single piece of video footage covering the attack, with the exception of a turkish TV and an al-Jazeera excerpt, have been provided by and through the Israeli military censor. Those some Israeli IDF videos have been played over and over again on all the world's television networks. Effectively there is no other story of the attack on the flotilla except that provided by the Israeli state. (only today are some other eye-witness accounts beginning to come out). You cannot reasonably ask people to make up their minds on the basis of a monopoly.

I'm not judging. This is all that was available. I'm just providing it.
I know its a sensitive issue.
Yes the Turks attacked them like demons from hell, but the question is, what provoked it? Did the IDF open fire first? Too many unanswered questions.

Cap,
Do you think that the videos issued by the IDF for the wwwebbers to freely disseminate have been edited at all ? Do you think that the IDF would release footage of the commandos opening fire from the helicopters before they landed on deck ? Of course not. They are releasing videos which author just one story, their story. And they know - because they are past masters in the art of propaganda - that the world is full of webbies like you and me who re-distribute their story (for free) whilst we insist that we're just "providing it", just "making it available" for people to make up their minds.
(And the IDF think to themselves : "Job's a good un. Job done.")

If the IDF had opened fire from the helicopter, then there would be no activists on the decks. They would scamper for cover! I guess you would be the only idiot that will stay put in a shower of bullets!

Copperline, you don't make sense!

[Paphitis]

Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers

Make up your own minds...

Foolhardy but brave of them to resist heavily armed soldiers of the IDF. They all deserve a medal.

They deserve a medal in stupidity.

[denizaksulu]

Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers

Make up your own minds...

Cap,
Every single piece of video footage covering the attack, with the exception of a turkish TV and an al-Jazeera excerpt, have been provided by and through the Israeli military censor. Those some Israeli IDF videos have been played over and over again on all the world's television networks. Effectively there is no other story of the attack on the flotilla except that provided by the Israeli state. (only today are some other eye-witness accounts beginning to come out). You cannot reasonably ask people to make up their minds on the basis of a monopoly.

The evidence provided by the Israelis looks pretty conclusive. The 'activists' were grabbing the Israeli soldiers as the repelled down from the chopper, flung them to the deck and started to beat them up with metal rods and sticks. The fact that the IDF did not react earlier is clear enough indication to me, that they had no intention of violence, as is usually the case in such situations. When the CO is shocked to see that the lives of his soldiers are now in danger, then the decision was made to use proportional force.

It is only natural that the "activists" will provide 'eye witness' accounts of 'Israeli aggression'.

This is what happened:
1) IDF board vessel in International Waters,
2) 'activists' attack IDF which is basically an invitation to the IDF to open fire, and
3) IDF open fire and kill 9 'activists'.

Very sad that 9 should die. And the biggest losers in this political point scoring debacle under the guise of 'humanitarian aid', are the Palestinians as per usual.

The activists actions were an invitation to open fire. They might as well have tattooed "PLEASE SHOOT ME" on their foreheads! And that is exactly what the IDF did!

Turkey should be ashamed of itself for this latest bloodbath!

Thank God I believe you have a sense of humour Paphitis.

[Cap]

Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers

Make up your own minds...

Cap,
Every single piece of video footage covering the attack, with the exception of a turkish TV and an al-Jazeera excerpt, have been provided by and through the Israeli military censor. Those some Israeli IDF videos have been played over and over again on all the world's television networks. Effectively there is no other story of the attack on the flotilla except that provided by the Israeli state. (only today are some other eye-witness accounts beginning to come out). You cannot reasonably ask people to make up their minds on the basis of a monopoly.

I'm not judging. This is all that was available. I'm just providing it.
I know its a sensitive issue.
Yes the Turks attacked them like demons from hell, but the question is, what provoked it? Did the IDF open fire first? Too many unanswered questions.

Listen Dumbo, that is not what is available, there is plenty which is available but not allowed because the fuckers have got them. Get a life. Wait till all the facts are known. Don't be stupid all your life.

He is obviously using you as a role model, old chap, what?

Freddie's weak point is Turkey.
Undermine anything Turkish and he'll bash you with words like 'Dumbo'.

[Paphitis]

Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers

Make up your own minds...

Cap,
Every single piece of video footage covering the attack, with the exception of a turkish TV and an al-Jazeera excerpt, have been provided by and through the Israeli military censor. Those some Israeli IDF videos have been played over and over again on all the world's television networks. Effectively there is no other story of the attack on the flotilla except that provided by the Israeli state. (only today are some other eye-witness accounts beginning to come out). You cannot reasonably ask people to make up their minds on the basis of a monopoly.

The evidence provided by the Israelis looks pretty conclusive. The 'activists' were grabbing the Israeli soldiers as the repelled down from the chopper, flung them to the deck and started to beat them up with metal rods and sticks. The fact that the IDF did not react earlier is clear enough indication to me, that they had no intention of violence, as is usually the case in such situations. When the CO is shocked to see that the lives of his soldiers are now in danger, then the decision was made to use proportional force.

It is only natural that the "activists" will provide 'eye witness' accounts of 'Israeli aggression'.

This is what happened:
1) IDF board vessel in International Waters,
2) 'activists' attack IDF which is basically an invitation to the IDF to open fire, and
3) IDF open fire and kill 9 'activists'.

Very sad that 9 should die. And the biggest losers in this political point scoring debacle under the guise of 'humanitarian aid', are the Palestinians as per usual.

The activists actions were an invitation to open fire. They might as well have tattooed "PLEASE SHOOT ME" on their foreheads! And that is exactly what the IDF did!

Turkey should be ashamed of itself for this latest bloodbath!

Thank God I believe you have a sense of humour Paphitis.

Deniz, I am serious. This is my view on these events.

I am very sad about the tragic loss of life. And I will criticize Israeli aggression where applicable. I am not a supporter of Israeli policies and humanitarian crimes committed against the Palestinians.

But, we need to be very reasonable as to what actually happened aboard the Mavi Marmara. I am only interested in the facts and will post accordingly in such serious matters.

The Israelis have boarded vessels that have tried to violate the Gaza Strip embargo before, and no one was killed. This should've been the case here as well.

[BOF]

[quote="Paphitis"][quote="CopperLine"][quote="Cap"]Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers

Make up your own minds...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo[/youtube][/quote]

Cap,
Every single piece of video footage covering the attack, with the exception of a turkish TV and an al-Jazeera excerpt, have been provided by and through the Israeli military censor. Those some Israeli IDF videos have been played over and over again on all the world's television networks. Effectively there is no other story of the attack on the flotilla except that provided by the Israeli state. (only today are some other eye-witness accounts beginning to come out). You cannot reasonably ask people to make up their minds on the basis of a monopoly.[/quote]

The evidence provided by the Israelis looks pretty conclusive. The 'activists' were grabbing the Israeli soldiers as the repelled down from the chopper, flung them to the deck and started to beat them up with metal rods and sticks. The fact that the IDF did not react earlier is clear enough indication to me, that they had no intention of violence, as is usually the case in such situations. When the CO is shocked to see that the lives of his soldiers are now in danger, then the decision was made to use proportional force.

It is only natural that the "activists" will provide 'eye witness' accounts of 'Israeli aggression'.

This is what happened:
1) IDF board vessel in International Waters,
2) 'activists' attack IDF which is basically an invitation to the IDF to open fire, and
3) IDF open fire and kill 9 'activists'.

Very sad that 9 should die. And the biggest losers in this political point scoring debacle under the guise of 'humanitarian aid, are the Palestinians as per usual.

The activists actions were an invitation to open fire. They might as well have tattooed "[size=18]PLEASE SHOOT ME[/size]" on their foreheads! And that is exactly what the IDF did! :roll:

Turkey should be ashamed of itself for this latest bloodbath! :roll:[/quote]



Well chap an israeli Spokesperson has just admitted they used disproportionate force against the flotilla.
Also all detained from the flotilla hve been released without charge...

Clearly the Israelis have made a few mistakes in the past especially in the epsionage area.. including a couple in Cyprus.

* 1973 - Mossad assassins shoot dead a Moroccan-born waiter in Norway, mistaking him for one of the Palestinian masterminds of an attack on the 1972 Munich Olympics in which 11 Israeli athletes died. Five Mossad officers are tried, but eventually released. Israel offers compensation to the waiter's family.

* 1985 - U.S. Navy analyst Jonathan Pollard is arrested for passing intelligence to Lakam, an Israeli agency specializing in scientific cooperation. Israel apologizes to the United States and dismantles Lakam. Pollard is sentenced to life in prison.

* 1987 - Britain protests to Israel about what London calls the misuse by "Israeli authorities" of forged British passports, and says it received assurances there would be no recurrence.

* 1991 - Four Israelis are arrested during an apparent attempt to bug the Iranian embassy in Cyprus. They are released for lack of evidence.

* 1997 - Two Mossad assassins are captured by Jordanian authorities after a failed attempt to kill Khaled Meshaal, a leader of the Islamic militant group Hamas. They are sent home after Israel frees jailed Hamas founder Ahmed Yassin.

* 1998 - A group of Israelis is discovered trying to tap the phones of a suspected Lebanese Hezbollah militant in Switzerland. In a closed-door trial, one Israeli, described in the media as a Mossad officer, is fined and given a suspended jail sentence. His three accomplices are released.

- In Cyprus, two suspected Mossad officers are arrested and charged with spying on sensitive military installations. They are released after nine months in prison under a plea bargain.

* 2004 - Two Israelis are sentenced to six months in jail by an Auckland court after they admit trying to obtain a New Zealand passport fraudulently. Wellington suspects they are from the Mossad and suspends relations with Israel in protest. A year later, Israel apologizes to New Zealand, which restores ties.

* 2010 - UAE police say they issued international arrest warrants for suspects in the killing of Mabhouh, who include German, British, French and Irish passport-holders. Two Palestinians are also held by the UAE for suspected complicity.
One Also only has to google how many pressmen have been shot and killed by the IDF (and how many soldiers were charged ) to see why people have their doubts about the IDF and israels intentions...or the truthfulness of their actions..

As statements and facts are being issued almost hourly, this is still unfolding so lets wait and see if there is going to be an independant inquiry.

[YFred]

Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers

Make up your own minds...

Cap,
Every single piece of video footage covering the attack, with the exception of a turkish TV and an al-Jazeera excerpt, have been provided by and through the Israeli military censor. Those some Israeli IDF videos have been played over and over again on all the world's television networks. Effectively there is no other story of the attack on the flotilla except that provided by the Israeli state. (only today are some other eye-witness accounts beginning to come out). You cannot reasonably ask people to make up their minds on the basis of a monopoly.

The evidence provided by the Israelis looks pretty conclusive. The 'activists' were grabbing the Israeli soldiers as the repelled down from the chopper, flung them to the deck and started to beat them up with metal rods and sticks. The fact that the IDF did not react earlier is clear enough indication to me, that they had no intention of violence, as is usually the case in such situations. When the CO is shocked to see that the lives of his soldiers are now in danger, then the decision was made to use proportional force.

It is only natural that the "activists" will provide 'eye witness' accounts of 'Israeli aggression'.

This is what happened:
1) IDF board vessel in International Waters,
2) 'activists' attack IDF which is basically an invitation to the IDF to open fire, and
3) IDF open fire and kill 9 'activists'.

Very sad that 9 should die. And the biggest losers in this political point scoring debacle under the guise of 'humanitarian aid', are the Palestinians as per usual.

The activists actions were an invitation to open fire. They might as well have tattooed "PLEASE SHOOT ME" on their foreheads! And that is exactly what the IDF did!

Turkey should be ashamed of itself for this latest bloodbath!

Thank God I believe you have a sense of humour Paphitis.

Deniz, I am serious. This is my view on these events.

I am very sad about the tragic loss of life. And I will criticize Israeli aggression where applicable. I am not a supporter of Israeli policies and humanitarian crimes committed against the Palestinians.

But, we need to be very reasonable as to what actually happened aboard the Mavi Marmara. I am only interested in the facts and will post accordingly in such serious matters.

The Israelis have boarded vessels that have tried to violate the Gaza Strip embargo before, and no one was killed. This should've been the case here as well.

We care for the facts and the truth. Do we really care what your view is on this?
I think not until the full facts are known.

Then we can discuss it to death. So you say you are pilot? Interesting, got no furkin brains but hey never mind, nobody is perfect.