Cyprus-Forum.com

[michalis5354]

Yes we all know that. Thus he was protested by people knowing the issue well. I'm against him and we accuse him to be a guard of Statu-quo and he doesn't reject our claim.He is known to want Taksim, nothing less.

The whole international world knows that I mean this was obvious to any UN , USA or EU Officer who had the privilege to chat with him. It is not known only in Turkey! At last he shares a big responsibility for the statues- quo!

[MicAtCyp]

I want to ask you a question MicAtCyp, please answer. Would you accept any previous versions of Annan Plan?

Merhaba Turker,
I will answer honestly.I did not read version 1 and version 2 because Denktash said he did not accept it for negotiations, so what was the point of any citizen caring. I read version 3 very well (that of 26 February 2004).That was an incomplete document as we all know with a lot of pages to be filled in after negotiations.By then I agreed with our leadership who said they would only negotiate the functionality of the plan.The only thing I disagreed was the matter of how the properties of the people would be treated.(massive expropriations of both GC and TC refugees properties).Functionality meant the economics of the new state and its nature towards a true Federation. You will not beleive how much I defended many of the provisions this "incomplete" Plan against GC fanatics and rejectionists while of course I was pointing my reservations for other parts of this Plan.Ask our friend Bananiot in this forum and he will tell you how much I fought at a GC forum which was full of rejectionists.

Anan Plan 4 just existed for a couple of days I think between 28-29 March, then we had version 5 (31 March 2004), which as you know is unacceptable to me.If I had to compare version 5 with version 3 I would say there are many improvements and many deteriorations.However most of the deteriorations are for extremely important issues, so in the end this plan seems to me worse than version 3.

So to summarise, I would not accept Anan Plan 3 as it was, and I don't accept version 5 either.For version 1 and version 2, I don't know as I never read them.

You were very enlightening regarding what the mainland Turks think about Cyprus.Under these conditions I don't think it would be possible to have a solution in Cyprus. Turkey has control and decides for the Turkish Cypriots in 2 ways. A) Through the huge military she has here B)Through her economic packages.The TCs depend almost completely on the money coming from Turkey. There is a 3rd factor too, that of the settlers.Turkey and Denktash used them in the past but it seems this control gets less, as time passes.

Well if Turkey starts her road towards the EU she will finally have to remove her military. If our side (GC) is clever she will help the TCs get rid of their Economic dependence from Turkey.There are some Economic measures currently, and some more are coming from the EU in support of the TCs, but there is a long way until the TCs become truly independent economically.I think at least 8 more years are needed. As soon as these 2 things happen I strongly beleive the TCs and the GCs will find a solution within 24 hours.And most importantly they will not have to get the approval of Ankara and its Generals nor of the mainland Turks. It is not their bussiness, like it is not the bussiness of the mainland Greeks.

P.S=N.B=Note below.

NB. Ben Kibrisli Rumum.Lefkosa’da yasiyorum.

[Turker]

Merhaba MicAtCyp

I certainly agree with you yet, there are some facts that can't be ignored.

Governments are not chairities taking care of all people. They concern about strategical and economical views of everything. So without the approval of mainlands , a right given in treaty of guarantee, there won't be a solution.

So the only thing to be done, i think, to keep up good relationships between 2 communities of both mainlands and the island. And they all should be trustable that they don't want taksim or enosis. After all I really believe we can handle a solution.

I'm so sory about that yet we can't do anything.

In a country in which many people feel hatred to Greeks as they were implanted in history lessons, televisions, and most importantly in schools; I don't think current situation will provide us much.

I'm really a minority in my country as I think like that. At least %70 of our people want taksim. They live with hatred as they were shown many massacres by Greeks during the past times, in televisions. Very few people know the facts. Even so called "most unbiased television programmers" in Turkey divert lots of things actually.

But I really believe that they are (I think also in your countries) imposed those ideas deliberately. Otherwise, we can live (Even communities of mainlands) peacefully, as we did in history.

My father often told me about the Greeks, he knew when he was young as there were lots of Greeks in Istanbul, that they were magnificent people, very kind to all, and of course gentle, "Gentlemen of Istanbul". He said:
"we got along with them very well. They thaught me my job, as they did that excellently."

In brief, hatred was made deliberately, there is nothing to obstruct us from peace otherwise.

Thanks.

"OXI" TO THE HATRED

Iyi gunler, Nicosia li kardesim.

[michalis5354]

At least %70 of our people want taksim.

This is irrelevant as these people do not live in Turkish cypriot area and they do not face any isolation at all and they hardly know about the Life there! Besides there are international laws and UN resolutions which really consider the regime as Illegal ! Why do they insist doing that? It Can't be the whole international community wrong!

There are 30 -40 years since the Enosis claims took place . Lots of things have been changed since then.

I always insisted on our side to show a more flexible approach on this issue but this is directly linked by the actions of Turkey!

[Turker]

This is irrelevant as these people do not live in Turkish cypriot area and they do not face any isolation at all and they hardly know about the Life there! Besides there are international laws and UN resolutions which really consider the regime as Illegal ! Why do they insist doing that? It Can't be the whole international community wrong!

But remember, Turkey's a garantor without whose approval any agreement can't be implemented.

There are 30 -40 years since the Enosis claims took place . Lots of things have been changed since then.

Really? So I think the conflicts in 1950s are for just kidding.

I always insisted on our side to show a more flexible approach on this issue but this is directly linked by the actions of Turkey!

thanks a lot, I do the same thing in turkey.

[PEACE]

But remember, Turkey's a garantor without whose approval any agreement can't be implemented.

No, michalis5354 is so right about this subject.

This is irrelevant as these people do not live in Turkish cypriot area and they do not face any isolation at all and they hardly know about the Life there! Besides there are international laws and UN resolutions which really consider the regime as Illegal ! Why do they insist doing that?

I strongly agree with you michalis! As a Turkish Cypriot i think so !

People who live in Turkey can't determine our future! Because they are not living here and won't live here.The ones who will unite are Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots.This is so irrevelant where another countrie's people determines the future of another countrie's people! When i hear this everytime i become so so angry ! Think about Turkish Cypriots are saying NO to your EU membership and this causes fail of full membership of Turkey to EU! How do you feel? This is same!

Yes,Turkey is a quarantor but she shouldn't mix to things out of her concern! She is concerned with only the unity,security of Cyprus! So if she is really here for these,MUST approve cypriot's decision !Unless we come to a point that a dispute arises between Turkish Cypriots and Turkey so you can loose the link with us completly!This is not good as you know!

You should be so carefull !

[michalis5354]

Hello Turker,


I know that according to 1960 agreements Turkey was one of the guarantors for Cyprus. And a solution need to be approved by Turkey of course I dont disagree.

I think as long as both communities show good will and good willingness to move on then Turkey also will assist on this direction.

We have also our GC nationalist who do not want to make any compromises. And their approach Its not productive.

Of course Turkeys role is important. And problems are never solved in hostility! I say this for the GC extreme views as well.

[PEACE]

I know that according to 1960 agreements Turkey was one of the guarantors for Cyprus. And a solution need to be approved by Turkey of course I dont disagree.

Yes,me too.But what i wanted to mean is not this subject.I suppose Mr. Turker will understand the point where i disagree with him!

I think as long as both communities show good will and good willingness to move on then Turkey also will assist on this direction.

Yes,i agree with you Michalis! This is what i wanted to mean! Thank you!

[michalis5354]

But anyway I hope one day , one time Greece Turkey and Cyprus be unified in to one so all these problems will be erased at a second!

So I aggree with this topic!!! Greece , Turkey and Cyprus is a big family!

[Turker]

But anyway I hope one day , one time Greece Turkey and Cyprus be unified in to one so all these problems will be erased at a second!

So I aggree with this topic!!! Greece , Turkey and Cyprus is a big family!

Yes what I want is that! there's no need to fight I understand all ur concerns, of course u should decide anything but treaties are facts yet there wont be any problem as long as this government is on work.