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[YFred]

Omer state how you would fordge unity how do you see BBF if you see it at all?

Everybody can see your bad will and nobody is fooled by your apparent call for a 'healthy' debate. You've already decided your stand - hence the flag and slogan beneath your screen name, so why should anybody debate with you on a Cyprus forum for all Cypriots?

Here here !

Why here here? all he has put forward is a lot of hotair, lets read something concrete and then decide whether he is a man of substance.

My generation has been handed the keys to resolve the Cyprus problem and what I have been arguing is that a political solution, confidence boosting measures etc etc are not the only things that are important. It matters not how many matches of football have been played. A true peace can only come about through a change in thought - which you have the power to control at any time.

You can start by taking your Turkish flag down, removing your "long live the TRNC" slogan and pull your head out of your arse. Talk to your Greek speaking Cypriot brothers and sisters in a more gentle, polite and considerate way - then you will be 75% of the way there. Remember, we are the inheritors of peace not the perpetuators of conflict.

Omer I have GC friends and have visited the south many times but it has not chnaged anything in fact if anything it has hardened my views as I do not find many GCs genuine, they try to act like Miltiades but are really like Piratis or Sotos and that for me spells danger.

Your generation being? You are the one clearly with your head up your own arse as you are unable to put forward anything concrete that would help us understand where you are coming from because you are full of hot air, you have immediately reverted to insults which is an indication that you are just another utopian dreamer who hasnt got a clue. You probably dont even live on the island.

Why take the flag? we have not agreed anything and this symbol is very important to the majoerity of TCs it reflects their suffering and freedom from the clutches of GCs.

You go on about the 'Greek Cypriots' as if they are the enemy forever. Wake up, the foreign minister of your motherland whose flag you wave has just admitted (as Buyukanit has before) that they never came to Cyprus to save you. They don't care if there are any Muslims in Cyprus - they see it as a big military base for their wider global projects.

This means, your Turkish Cypriot 'state' does not really serve Turkish Cypriots. This means it was created for Turkey whose citizens make up half your KKTC voters. This denotes that you are being used by Turkey for her own interests. Do you like it when Turkey uses you?

You don't challenge them who occupy you and will never leave you to determine your own future but you challenge me a fellow Turkish speaking Cypriot brother instead. You would rather harm me than your occupier and that is why we Turkish speaking Cypriots are so messed up.

Lanet olsun sang'a! Aç be gözlerini! Urumlardan gorkan surdis etting donunu ama etrafına bak Türgiya yutacak seni..

Be Omer, what kind of Turkish is that?
Normally it is GRs job to surdis etsin.

Bey efendi perhaps you would prefer istanbul türkçesi ? But I'm a Cypriot, I speak Cyprioturkish, British English and Arabic.

Oh yes us Lurucadis are pure turkish contarary to what everybody says. I not heard the word surdis and Turgiya for such a long time. May I ask where from Cyprus you are from?

[Viewpoint]

Omer Seyhan

You go on about the 'Greek Cypriots' as if they are the enemy forever. Wake up, the foreign minister of your motherland whose flag you wave has just admitted (as Buyukanit has before) that they never came to Cyprus to save you. They don't care if there are any Muslims in Cyprus - they see it as a big military base for their wider global projects.

Provide links, just throwing shit about hoping it sticks doesnt work on this forum.

Hello GCs are the other side if we did not share the past they would not be and we would not have a problem, which planet are you from? Sounds like Uranus .

This means, your Turkish Cypriot 'state' does not really serve Turkish Cypriots. This means it was created for Turkey whose citizens make up half your KKTC voters. This denotes that you are being used by Turkey for her own interests. Do you like it when Turkey uses you?

Better than the ghettos of 1964-1974, with an economy totally funded by Turkey whos using who?

You don't challenge them who occupy you and will never leave you to determine your own future but you challenge me a fellow Turkish speaking Cypriot brother instead. You would rather harm me than your occupier and that is why we Turkish speaking Cypriots are so messed up.

I dont want to hard anyone but will chnage people who have utopian dreams and refuse to see the reality before them, they have no real idea of what they are dealing with, the GCs showed how much they allow you to make up your own mind yet you still appear to support that they are a better option than Turkey, how many cars does your family have in the TRNC?

Lanet olsun sang'a! Aç be gözlerini! Urumlardan gorkan surdis etting donunu ama etrafına bak Türgiya yutacak seni..

No one is swallowing anyone these are all scare monger tactics we have heard for many years, you think that GCs want you, you cannot be further from the truth all they really want is land and total control of the whole island, wake up and try and face the truth.

[Omer Seyhan]

Gardas, I'm from Ay Yorgi on my mother's side, Leymosun on my father's side.

[Viewpoint]

Gardas, I'm from Ay Yorgi on my mother's side, Leymosun on my father's side.

Omer how old are you just to work out what generation you represent and where do you reside?

[YFred]

Gardas, I'm from Ay Yorgi on my mother's side, Leymosun on my father's side.

Good to hearform you again. Welcome back.

[Omer Seyhan]

Omer Seyhan

You go on about the 'Greek Cypriots' as if they are the enemy forever. Wake up, the foreign minister of your motherland whose flag you wave has just admitted (as Buyukanit has before) that they never came to Cyprus to save you. They don't care if there are any Muslims in Cyprus - they see it as a big military base for their wider global projects.

Provide links, just throwing shit about hoping it sticks doesnt work on this forum.

Hello GCs are the other side if we did not share the past they would not be and we would not have a problem, which planet are you from? Sounds like Uranus .

This means, your Turkish Cypriot 'state' does not really serve Turkish Cypriots. This means it was created for Turkey whose citizens make up half your KKTC voters. This denotes that you are being used by Turkey for her own interests. Do you like it when Turkey uses you?

Better than the ghettos of 1964-1974, with an economy totally funded by Turkey whos using who?

You don't challenge them who occupy you and will never leave you to determine your own future but you challenge me a fellow Turkish speaking Cypriot brother instead. You would rather harm me than your occupier and that is why we Turkish speaking Cypriots are so messed up.

I dont want to hard anyone but will chnage people who have utopian dreams and refuse to see the reality before them, they have no real idea of what they are dealing with, the GCs showed how much they allow you to make up your own mind yet you still appear to support that they are a better option than Turkey, how many cars does your family have in the TRNC?

Lanet olsun sang'a! Aç be gözlerini! Urumlardan gorkan surdis etting donunu ama etrafına bak Türgiya yutacak seni..

No one is swallowing anyone these are all scare monger tactics we have heard for many years, you think that GCs want you, you cannot be further from the truth all they really want is land and total control of the whole island, wake up and try and face the truth.

Omg, did you just say being controlled by Turkey who is depriving Turkish speaking Cypriots of determining their own future, voting, assimilating them through enforced cultural domination is 'better' than 1963-1974 as if we have to choose? Is this your plans for your community? Is this all we are worth?

I hope every Turkish Cypriot out there is reading this. Aman annem rezalet!

What 'links' bre? As if you read anything anyway - your opinion was made up along time ago and you are not in the Cyprus forum for Cypriots of all backgrounds to make friends are you? Did you think I would waste my time? No, I'm going to listen to that German Eurovision song Satellite instead.... I think all Cypriots can agree that she's a hot little minx.

[Omer Seyhan]

Gardas, I'm from Ay Yorgi on my mother's side, Leymosun on my father's side.

Omer how old are you just to work out what generation you represent and where do you reside?

Sana ne be! çek git işine!

[Byron]

If Cypriotism is based on trust then steps need to be taken in the right direction. First Turkey needs to remove its troops from the island. Maintaining the troops just creates a permanent divide.

What has Turkey, a foreign neighbouring country got to do with Cypriotism? This is ours, yours and mine, it is nothing to do with any other country.

Really, so why is TURKEY keeping 40,000 troops on our land, we did not invite them .

...Byron, these Turkish troops have no respect for the Cypriot's Individual Rights, and their interest as a "motherland" is to assure that as Persons, Turkish Cypriots remain subject to their definition of Turkishness. There was bloodshed, for whatever reason, and it is dismissed by the same extremists who foisted this suffering on their adversary. we cannot expect to move the Turks to move their army. as cypriots we can at the grassroots fight them however, through dialogue and exchange.

if i could, i would cross daily the "Green Line", to buy from someone who is Cypriot, that holds the same empathy, my coffee, my milk, and my bread.

In my opinion Cypriotism cannot exist in its current " de facto " form . Maybe it is acheivable, but in order for that to truly happen, both communities must start to give up something in order to get closer together.

That is why for GREEK CYPRIOTS, the most important thing is for the TURKISH ARMY to return home because they are continuing to keep a political division of the island.

Also from The TC side we need to hear their requests, that is how dialogue occurs - without using offensive words.

If the TC wish for the TURKISH ARMY to stay then we need to hear the reasons.

Otherwise we just continue to offend and this forum will continue to be just a chat show between a few idiotic permanent members. Let 's debate each item instead of going back to Adam and Eve, every time.

My apologies for the frankness.

[Acikgoz]

Oh Omer, you really are mising the point despite having the facts to hand "...they think they are Turkish living in Turkey." Many TCs do see things like this (not talking immigrants), why? Because they do not see GCs as their brethren culturally or emotionally.
This is why your silly Proclamation will amount to nothing however well intentioned it may well be.
You are suffering from cognative dissonance - your beliefs are not backed up by your experience of reality, this causes you frustration, therefore you try to bend reality to fit your beliefs.
The fact that you are still talking ideals despite knowing contradicting facts rather than realities indicates you are either very young thus naive in outlook, or voluntarily choose politics over humanism and progress.

[Get Real!]

Gardas, I'm from Ay Yorgi on my mother's side, Leymosun on my father's side.

Omer how old are you just to work out what generation you represent and where do you reside?

Excuse VP while he updates his database...