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[Acikgoz]

If Cypriotism is based on trust then steps need to be taken in the right direction. First Turkey needs to remove its troops from the island. Maintaining the troops just creates a permanent divide.

Love this angle of reasoning. Get the other side to build trust first then, by implication the other side works on trust?
Oh how simple and self fullfiling we wish life to be.

Omer your post is like hunderds if not thousands that have gone before it. Loads of waffle, nothing of real world substance. Yes, yes, utopia, utopia for Cypriots, the cause of problems are from the outside. Grow up - this is not some Hollywood feel good movie with the obvious good guys and bad guys where at the end of the day we all live happily ever after ... Please make sure you put all your empty popcorn cartons and soft drinks in the waste as you leave the fantasy cinema.

Dreams come before substance my dear fellow Cypriot. So....what are you doing to bring about substance?

Your post presents nothing, no passion, no aim - it is simply a paragraph of frustration, bitterness, anger and an invitation to do nothing. I pity you, what a wretched life you must have.

Omer bey, life is simple, be happy be healthy, yet the devil is in the details. The human spirit may be indominatiable yet human character is far from virtuous.

Simplification of a complex problem is what I see you doing and so many that have done so in the past. You put forward a utopian pan-Cypriot ideology yet the required foundation does not exist, or an analogy, you are trying to bake a chocolate cake with anchovies, chocolate, hellumi and turkish coffee yet the sugar eggs and flour are missing.

How many initiatives have been put forward by outside parties to fall flat, castigated by the majority on both sides. How far have we moved since 2001? Forwards then backwards in this pan-Cypriot ideology. It is not a blame game I am describing here but an evaluation of the situation.

Have you seen a friendly football match between a TC team and GC one? What harm here? Confidence booster - no recognition implied. One could come up with hundreds of examples of what can be done yet are not.

This is why I think those that keep coming up with 40,000 troops or no access to my land are partisan not "Cypriot." Also those that blame Turkey or Greece, when it served Cypriots they asked for their help, now, they serve as the boogie monster....

We are far from intellectual thought on the analysis yet alone potential solution - what you describe is a feel good movie with all the dark and real bits removed.

[miltiades]

Omer state how you would fordge unity how do you see BBF if you see it at all?

Everybody can see your bad will and nobody is fooled by your apparent call for a 'healthy' debate. You've already decided your stand - hence the flag and slogan beneath your screen name, so why should anybody debate with you on a Cyprus forum for all Cypriots?

Here here !

[Viewpoint]

Omer state how you would fordge unity how do you see BBF if you see it at all?

Everybody can see your bad will and nobody is fooled by your apparent call for a 'healthy' debate. You've already decided your stand - hence the flag and slogan beneath your screen name, so why should anybody debate with you on a Cyprus forum for all Cypriots?

Here here !

Why here here? all he has put forward is a lot of hotair, lets read something concrete and then decide whether he is a man of substance.

[repulsewarrior]

Cypriotism or a organised love of Cyprus and all things Cypriot is the heart and soul of Cypriot Unity today. With Cypriotism Cypriot unity cannot work.....

But in truth Cypriotism is also an unfinished business. It is an unfinished business which the vast majority of the Cypriot people deep down want to see brought to completion.

Are there any real doubts about where the great brave rebel leaders Halil Aga and Mehmet Boyacioglu would stand on the great issues of our time?

This Proclamation is about self-determination and democracy. Does anyone think that our ancestors would settle for a partitioned Cyprus?

Our ancestors laboured in the fields day and night, ploughed the red Cypriot earth from which they exalted a mere peasant child to the rank of Ottoman grand vizier - Mehmet Kamil and Mehmet Emin Pasha. Two Cypriots grand viziers of the entire Ottoman empire not once but 8 times combined! How we Cypriots rise....

Does anyone believe that they would like to see their homeland split in two? Their people separated by barbed wire? Their descendants displaced?

Does anyone believe that they would settle for anything less than one Cyprus?

Why should a Greek, Turkish or British Minister take decisions on the future of our children?

Why should a Greek, Turkish or British Minister have the power to decide when Cypriots can meet and work together?

If they aren't able to destroy the desire for Cypriot unity and freedom, they won't break you. They won't break you because the desire for freedom, and the freedom of the Cypriot people, is in our hearts.

The day will dawn when all the people of Cyprus will have the desire for freedom to show.

...thank you omer, i shall call you dr. too.

well said, here here.

...please will you read my manifesto, i would like your questions.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19022

[repulsewarrior]

And so am I Milti, but unfortunately I wish it could be done. If all the GCs were like you and Bananiot, we would have no problem but as you are aware we both have our extremes who do not have the same interests. Untill we learn how to contain them, unfortunately it will have to remain a dream.

YFred this diversity can be focused toward the enemies which as Individuals we stand united against, in a State , as the Stewards of this island, to defend the Universal Rights we have as Humans without discrimination. in Cyprus, and in many parts of the world, its citizens desire as well an Identity as Persons. i repeat myself, our Problem is not a "Greek/Turk" issue. it is a definition we seek for the Principal of Bicommunality, which is "perfect", that is to say that the rest of Mankind can hold it in esteem and emulate it.

as we travel further in time from this task, it suits the interlocutors who prefer to resist this change in Human nature. Thus to act as a Cypriot, rather than a "Turk" or a "Greek" becomes vital for a movement toward Tolerance, and against Ignorance as a whole.

the link(s) is there; read, please.

...i would be happy to read your questions.

[Malapapa]

But...but...but....We are told Cyprus is a Greek island every day...Turkish Cypriots are just Ottoman remnants responsible for the real and imaginary sins of the Ottomans going back to 1571...

Yes? And if someone called you a stupid donkey, what would you do? Go along with it or prove them wrong?

What is more the TCs are thieves and traitors who voluntarily left their homes,their ancestors' lands back in the 60s,to help Turkey's territorial ambitions...Why,the TCs even walked out of the RoC govenment for the same reason and spent 11 years huddled in enclaves waiting for the axe to fall...What do you say to that Omer Seyhan??? Which Cypriotism are you talking about???.

The one where Cypriots stop being victims.

I am not talking to you,you stupid little upstart!

If you weren't such a donkey, I might be offended.

I want to hear from Omer Seyhan...Unless YOU happen to be HIM...

No. I've moved beyond Omer's nebulous, airy-fairy CypriotISM. I'm onto the more down-to-earth, practical CypriotNESS.

[repulsewarrior]

If Cypriotism is based on trust then steps need to be taken in the right direction. First Turkey needs to remove its troops from the island. Maintaining the troops just creates a permanent divide.

What has Turkey, a foreign neighbouring country got to do with Cypriotism? This is ours, yours and mine, it is nothing to do with any other country.

Really, so why is TURKEY keeping 40,000 troops on our land, we did not invite them .

...Byron, these Turkish troops have no respect for the Cypriot's Individual Rights, and their interest as a "motherland" is to assure that as Persons, Turkish Cypriots remain subject to their definition of Turkishness. There was bloodshed, for whatever reason, and it is dismissed by the same extremists who foisted this suffering on their adversary. we cannot expect to move the Turks to move their army. as cypriots we can at the grassroots fight them however, through dialogue and exchange.

if i could, i would cross daily the "Green Line", to buy from someone who is Cypriot, that holds the same empathy, my coffee, my milk, and my bread.

[repulsewarrior]

But...but...but....We are told Cyprus is a Greek island every day...Turkish Cypriots are just Ottoman remnants responsible for the real and imaginary sins of the Ottomans going back to 1571...

Yes? And if someone called you a stupid donkey, what would you do? Go along with it or prove them wrong?

What is more the TCs are thieves and traitors who voluntarily left their homes,their ancestors' lands back in the 60s,to help Turkey's territorial ambitions...Why,the TCs even walked out of the RoC govenment for the same reason and spent 11 years huddled in enclaves waiting for the axe to fall...What do you say to that Omer Seyhan??? Which Cypriotism are you talking about???.

The one where Cypriots stop being victims.

well said M, something to think about B.

[repulsewarrior]

I want to hear from Omer as well, let have some concrete ideas of hwo he sees a united Cyprus and how he intends to get there, the rest of his post is pie in the sky in other words playing to the terraces.

vp, you fight against "Greeks", you fight against Greeks, you fight against Cypriots, and even Turks.

who plays to the terraces?

woof, woof.

[Malapapa]

But...but...but....We are told Cyprus is a Greek island every day...Turkish Cypriots are just Ottoman remnants responsible for the real and imaginary sins of the Ottomans going back to 1571...

Yes? And if someone called you a stupid donkey, what would you do? Go along with it or prove them wrong?

What is more the TCs are thieves and traitors who voluntarily left their homes,their ancestors' lands back in the 60s,to help Turkey's territorial ambitions...Why,the TCs even walked out of the RoC govenment for the same reason and spent 11 years huddled in enclaves waiting for the axe to fall...What do you say to that Omer Seyhan??? Which Cypriotism are you talking about???.

The one where Cypriots stop being victims.

well said M, something to think about B.

If the scarecrow only had a brain...