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[YFred]

Given the situation on the ground in 1974 with Sampson as President of RoC,did Turkey have any other choice but to invade???

If yes, how else would you say Sampson could have been neutralised...?And while you are here tell us what you think Sampson had in mind for the TCs in the long term...you forgot to tell us that above...

The Turkish foreign minister writes IN HIS BOOK that Turkey would have had a Cyprus Issue even without one single muslim on this island and Bir still thinks that they came to save him.

The clue is in the fact that they're still here Bir.

Why are you surprised? Even USA had a Cyprus problem and look how far they are and how many yanks are there in Cyprus? You swim against the tide and you will be swept away. If Turkey feels that they want a base in Cyprus on account that it was taken away from them by fraud and is needed for their security and has the bollox to enforce it, can you stop them? Turkey's interest is the same as US interest and who ever stands against them gets crushed. Of all people a politics graduate like yourself should appreciate that surely?
Makarios did not and we all know how many attempts were at his life. But then again he was a priest, and even not a very good one at that. Fancy a priest sanctioning murder, what next? Have you learned nothing from history? You eat the crumbs you are given and you survive.

Ohps my mistake. I forgot, you are with the big boys now and you can dictate to countries like Turkey or her ally US. Like hell you can.

But going back to "They came to save us", please go ahead and tell us how many TC would there have been in Cyprus today, if Sampson was not overthrown by Turkey, and while you are at it, please also tell us how the GCs would have defeated Sampson with Greece right behind him?

[DT.]

Given the situation on the ground in 1974 with Sampson as President of RoC,did Turkey have any other choice but to invade???

If yes, how else would you say Sampson could have been neutralised...?And while you are here tell us what you think Sampson had in mind for the TCs in the long term...you forgot to tell us that above...

The Turkish foreign minister writes IN HIS BOOK that Turkey would have had a Cyprus Issue even without one single muslim on this island and Bir still thinks that they came to save him.

The clue is in the fact that they're still here Bir.

Why are you surprised? Even USA had a Cyprus problem and look how far they are and how many yanks are there in Cyprus? You swim against the tide and you will be swept away. If Turkey feels that they want a base in Cyprus on account that it was taken away from them by fraud and is needed for their security and has the bollox to enforce it, can you stop them? Turkey's interest is the same as US interest and who ever stands against them gets crushed. Of all people a politics graduate like yourself should appreciate that surely?
Makarios did not and we all know how many attempts were at his life. But then again he was a priest, and even not a very good one at that. Fancy a priest sanctioning murder, what next? Have you learned nothing from history? You eat the crumbs you are given and you survive.

Ohps my mistake. I forgot, you are with the big boys now and you can dictate to countries like Turkey or her ally US. Like hell you can.

But going back to "They came to save us", please go ahead and tell us how many TC would there have been in Cyprus today, if Sampson was not overthrown by Turkey, and while you are at it, please also tell us how the GCs would have defeated Sampson with Greece right behind him?

I'd be careful about what agreements Turkey's signing right now with Iran and Brazil regarding nuclear materials. Add to this the big fallout with Israel thats about to hit Turko-Israeli relations and I'd say this will be a challenging year for Turkey.

WHether Cyprus allows Turkey to open a few chapters in the EU will be the least of their problems

[YFred]

Given the situation on the ground in 1974 with Sampson as President of RoC,did Turkey have any other choice but to invade???

If yes, how else would you say Sampson could have been neutralised...?And while you are here tell us what you think Sampson had in mind for the TCs in the long term...you forgot to tell us that above...

The Turkish foreign minister writes IN HIS BOOK that Turkey would have had a Cyprus Issue even without one single muslim on this island and Bir still thinks that they came to save him.

The clue is in the fact that they're still here Bir.

Why are you surprised? Even USA had a Cyprus problem and look how far they are and how many yanks are there in Cyprus? You swim against the tide and you will be swept away. If Turkey feels that they want a base in Cyprus on account that it was taken away from them by fraud and is needed for their security and has the bollox to enforce it, can you stop them? Turkey's interest is the same as US interest and who ever stands against them gets crushed. Of all people a politics graduate like yourself should appreciate that surely?
Makarios did not and we all know how many attempts were at his life. But then again he was a priest, and even not a very good one at that. Fancy a priest sanctioning murder, what next? Have you learned nothing from history? You eat the crumbs you are given and you survive.

Ohps my mistake. I forgot, you are with the big boys now and you can dictate to countries like Turkey or her ally US. Like hell you can.

But going back to "They came to save us", please go ahead and tell us how many TC would there have been in Cyprus today, if Sampson was not overthrown by Turkey, and while you are at it, please also tell us how the GCs would have defeated Sampson with Greece right behind him?

I'd be careful about what agreements Turkey's signing right now with Iran and Brazil regarding nuclear materials. Add to this the big fallout with Israel thats about to hit Turko-Israeli relations and I'd say this will be a challenging year for Turkey.

WHether Cyprus allows Turkey to open a few chapters in the EU will be the least of their problems

Dream on, the power is about to change and Cyprus will dictate. Turkey will be reduced to Cyprus size and Cyprus will become the size of Turkey.
What ever happens between Israel and Turkey will happen. Judging by this morning's events, it may even be sooner.

Big wow, we've had it now.

[BirKibrisli]

Given the situation on the ground in 1974 with Sampson as President of RoC,did Turkey have any other choice but to invade???

If yes, how else would you say Sampson could have been neutralised...?And while you are here tell us what you think Sampson had in mind for the TCs in the long term...you forgot to tell us that above...

The Turkish foreign minister writes IN HIS BOOK that Turkey would have had a Cyprus Issue even without one single muslim on this island and Bir still thinks that they came to save him.

The clue is in the fact that they're still here Bir.

DAvutoglu was probably in high school back in 1974,DT...What he wrote in his book was his personal opinion when he was an academic and not a minister in Turkish government....Would you like to answer my question instead of trying to deflect it??? What do you think Sampson had in mind for the TCs,and how else would the coup be stopped???Realistic senarios please...

[Omer Seyhan]

If Makarios was strong he would have ordered the assassination of the TMT men in Turkey before they got onto their boats and ordered the deploying of an ignited napalm mixture against any EOKA B hiding in the caves of the Troodos.

You might also like to tell us what you think Makarios had in mind for the TCs in the long run....You said he was weak...But how did he look upon the TCs in your opinion...Please try not to evade these questions as well...

I sense you are trying to attach a sinister motive behind Makarios constitutional amendments, the "extermination" of the Turkish speaking Cypriots. This is after all the foundation of your hate filled philosophy.

But I don't believe Makarios would have wanted that. On the contrary, his adviser was a Turkish speaking Cypriot - Dr Ihsan Ali. There were other Turkish speaking Cypriots in government and Makarios DID condemn the actions of EOKA B. In the end, EOKA B through the junta and Sampson staged a coup where Makarios was nearly killed. Does it sound to you like he was the ring leader?

You ask questions, I choose whether I want to answer and how I answer.

[Omer Seyhan]

Given the situation on the ground in 1974 with Sampson as President of RoC,did Turkey have any other choice but to invade???

If yes, how else would you say Sampson could have been neutralised...?And while you are here tell us what you think Sampson had in mind for the TCs in the long term...you forgot to tell us that above...

The Turkish foreign minister writes IN HIS BOOK that Turkey would have had a Cyprus Issue even without one single muslim on this island and Bir still thinks that they came to save him.

The clue is in the fact that they're still here Bir.

DAvutoglu was probably in high school back in 1974,DT...What he wrote in his book was his personal opinion when he was an academic and not a minister in Turkish government....Would you like to answer my question instead of trying to deflect it??? What do you think Sampson had in mind for the TCs,and how else would the coup be stopped???Realistic senarios please...

What a bull shit excuse!

"He was an academic then" but a politician now- which means that he probably still thinks that is more opportunistic and careful not to say it lest he upsets his Cypriot collaborators.

You make me so sick...

[YFred]

If Makarios was strong he would have ordered the assassination of the TMT men in Turkey before they got onto their boats and ordered the deploying of an ignited napalm mixture against any EOKA B hiding in the caves of the Troodos.

You might also like to tell us what you think Makarios had in mind for the TCs in the long run....You said he was weak...But how did he look upon the TCs in your opinion...Please try not to evade these questions as well...

I sense you are trying to attach a sinister motive behind Makarios constitutional amendments, the "extermination" of the Turkish speaking Cypriots. This is after all the foundation of your hate filled philosophy.

But I don't believe Makarios would have wanted that. On the contrary, his adviser was a Turkish speaking Cypriot - Dr Ihsan Ali. There were other Turkish speaking Cypriots in government and Makarios DID condemn the actions of EOKA B. In the end, EOKA B through the junta and Sampson staged a coup where Makarios was nearly killed. Does it sound to you like he was the ring leader?

You ask questions, I choose whether I want to answer and how I answer.

No Omer, we have to answer all questions. If you don't answer then you have lost the argument. At least pose a relevant question.

For Instance, what was the Akritas plan for? Signed just a few months after the agreement and long before any fighting.
If it was just a few amendments then why the Akritas plan?

We must go forward but with full understanding of what happened before and what could happen in the future.

[BirKibrisli]

If Makarios was strong he would have ordered the assassination of the TMT men in Turkey before they got onto their boats and ordered the deploying of an ignited napalm mixture against any EOKA B hiding in the caves of the Troodos.

You might also like to tell us what you think Makarios had in mind for the TCs in the long run....You said he was weak...But how did he look upon the TCs in your opinion...Please try not to evade these questions as well...

I sense you are trying to attach a sinister motive behind Makarios constitutional amendments, the "extermination" of the Turkish speaking Cypriots. This is after all the foundation of your hate filled philosophy.

But I don't believe Makarios would have wanted that. On the contrary, his adviser was a Turkish speaking Cypriot - Dr Ihsan Ali. There were other Turkish speaking Cypriots in government and Makarios DID condemn the actions of EOKA B. In the end, EOKA B through the junta and Sampson staged a coup where Makarios was nearly killed. Does it sound to you like he was the ring leader?

You ask questions, I choose whether I want to answer and how I answer.

Sure..You have no obligation to answer my questions...I am sure Ihsan Ali was not then only adviser Makarios had...But tell me,we know Makarios was also in favour of Enosis well into the mid 60s....Do you think he was aware of the Akritas Plan? And when and why do you think he stopped wishing for ENOSIS????

[BirKibrisli]

Given the situation on the ground in 1974 with Sampson as President of RoC,did Turkey have any other choice but to invade???

If yes, how else would you say Sampson could have been neutralised...?And while you are here tell us what you think Sampson had in mind for the TCs in the long term...you forgot to tell us that above...

The Turkish foreign minister writes IN HIS BOOK that Turkey would have had a Cyprus Issue even without one single muslim on this island and Bir still thinks that they came to save him.

The clue is in the fact that they're still here Bir.

DAvutoglu was probably in high school back in 1974,DT...What he wrote in his book was his personal opinion when he was an academic and not a minister in Turkish government....Would you like to answer my question instead of trying to deflect it??? What do you think Sampson had in mind for the TCs,and how else would the coup be stopped???Realistic senarios please...

What a bull shit excuse!

"He was an academic then" but a politician now- which means that he probably still thinks that is more opportunistic and careful not to say it lest he upsets his Cypriot collaborators.

You make me so sick...

yeah? And why do I make you sick? Because i ask questions and give opinions you cannot answer or dispute????The AKP was not even formed when Davutoglu published his book in 1999,or thereabouts...It was one academic's personal opinion,and you cannot dispute that...You are not suggesting that is why he became FM,because he was a hawke on the Cyprus issue???

[YFred]

If Makarios was strong he would have ordered the assassination of the TMT men in Turkey before they got onto their boats and ordered the deploying of an ignited napalm mixture against any EOKA B hiding in the caves of the Troodos.

You might also like to tell us what you think Makarios had in mind for the TCs in the long run....You said he was weak...But how did he look upon the TCs in your opinion...Please try not to evade these questions as well...

I sense you are trying to attach a sinister motive behind Makarios constitutional amendments, the "extermination" of the Turkish speaking Cypriots. This is after all the foundation of your hate filled philosophy.

But I don't believe Makarios would have wanted that. On the contrary, his adviser was a Turkish speaking Cypriot - Dr Ihsan Ali. There were other Turkish speaking Cypriots in government and Makarios DID condemn the actions of EOKA B. In the end, EOKA B through the junta and Sampson staged a coup where Makarios was nearly killed. Does it sound to you like he was the ring leader?

You ask questions, I choose whether I want to answer and how I answer.

Sure..You have no obligation to answer my questions...I am sure Ihsan Ali was not then only adviser Makarios had...But tell me,we know Makarios was also in favour of Enosis well into the mid 60s....Do you think he was aware of the Akritas Plan? And when and why do you think he stopped wishing for ENOSIS????

May I take a guess and say by the end of 1967 just after the Greek generals came to power.

But the real question that has never been answered is What was Sampson going to do about the Cyprus problem. Was he going to throw a tea and biscuits party and discuss it in a civilized manner?

Omer you must have an opinion on this.