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[bigOz]

What the fuck are you on man? You fucking demented or what? I have never read such a load of bollocks!

ollowing the defeat of the Venetians in 1571, Lala Mustafa Pasha, the Turkish Commander of the land forces in Cyprus, chose, before departing

etc...

The transfer to Cyprus of population from several Anatolian provinces continued immediately ensuing years with families from Konya, Kırşehir, Aydin, Çorum, Kayseri, Samsun, Eskisehir, Ankara, Burdur, and Ushak.

I wander what your fucking origins are??? [/b]

I wandered what the fucking origins of what you posted were.

Here's the link:

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/people/ ... index.html

I'll let others judge whether it's an objective source.

Fuck off you idiot - with a Churchill avatar - I can see where yout fucking origins come from!

You stupid drunk. Pull yourself together.

I am in no denila of my source - hence the bold quote! If you are so fucking clever why did you not read the rest of it or follow the link in the text? Here is more from the same site for you:

No more please. That whole shite is 'TRNC' propaganda. I can smell it a mile off, well versed as I am in the dark arts. Now go to bed, Oz. You'll sober up in the morning. The stupidness may take a little longer to clear.

I don't think he's drunk. It's a kid around the age of 12, maybe younger most likely.

He's probably on mephedrone then. Either way he'll have a headache tomorrow.

Listen you pair of arse-itching fairies. A lot of people in this forum know how old I am and what my credentials are. You two are a pair of old farts pissing off people in these forums. Fucking papafingo and seyininhani! Your lnowledge of Cyprus history and quotes make your Jesus weep! This fucking so called Omer character is as fucking Greek as the mainlanders in Athens - just because he uses a Turkish name does not make him a TC. As for papafingo he is probably a divide and rule British who is still living the colonial days...

I suggest two fanatic, racist, Viagra lacking perverts (probably you cannot afford it) send each other PMs and keep out of history's way! As for reliable sources - none of what this idiot wrote is backed by a quote from any source he has listed. Now I go to sleep and let you two bitch till the morning = at your age you only need 4 hours sleep anyway

[repulsewarrior]

And so am I Milti, but unfortunately I wish it could be done. If all the GCs were like you and Bananiot, we would have no problem but as you are aware we both have our extremes who do not have the same interests. Untill we learn how to contain them, unfortunately it will have to remain a dream.

YFred this diversity can be focused toward the enemies which as Individuals we stand united against, in a State , as the Stewards of this island, to defend the Universal Rights we have as Humans without discrimination. in Cyprus, and in many parts of the world, its citizens desire as well an Identity as Persons. i repeat myself, our Problem is not a "Greek/Turk" issue. it is a definition we seek for the Principal of Bicommunality, which is "perfect", that is to say that the rest of Mankind can hold it in esteem and emulate it.

as we travel further in time from this task, it suits the interlocutors who prefer to resist this change in Human nature. Thus to act as a Cypriot, rather than a "Turk" or a "Greek" becomes vital for a movement toward Tolerance, and against Ignorance as a whole.

the link(s) is there; read, please.

...i would be happy to read your questions.

How exactly will you defend everyone rights when the advantage is in your favor and we are the ones at risk?

i assume you have read the manifesto and that you also understand the voting process...

...do the math vp, "Greek and Turk" are countervailing powers which can only provide a result representational of issues as a whole. furthermore in the electoral process which i have proposed, present day demographics do not have to be maintained to be "fair". rather the population can change with time, the system is suited for any population, it does not depend on any statistical proportion to function without a bias.

furthermore, because of the existence of National Assemblies, "majorities" will have the opportunity to demonstrate their goodwill with their recognition that the "minorities" amongst them have special needs which must be provided for as well.

[BirKibrisli]

I think our friend Omer Seyhan needs to answer some of our questions if he wants to establish credibility....I will summarise the ones I want him/her to answer first.....Others can add their own questions...


1...What do you say to those on this Forum who insist that Cyprus is a Greek island???

2...What do you say to those who think TCs are Ottoman remnants and should be held responsible for 1571????

3....What role do you think ENOSIS had in the course of our recent history???

4...What is your opinion of the Akritas Plan? What exactly was it trying to achieve....????

5....Did the TCs walk away from the government in 1963 to pave the way for Taksim,or were they driven away at gunpoint and for fear of their lives????

6...What do you think about the coup against Makarios in 74 and what in your considered opinion did Sampson have in mind for the TCs...???


I for one want to hear you answer these questions comprehensively before I will take anything you say or do seriously...Others can make up their own minds...And if you evade answering these saying "you are not interested in the past" I will dismiss you as a stupid,predictable, fanatical GC agent provocateur of a more subtle kind....

[Piratis]

I think our friend Omer Seyhan needs to answer some of our questions if he wants to establish credibility....I will summarise the ones I want him/her to answer first.....Others can add their own questions...


1...What do you say to those on this Forum who insist that Cyprus is a Greek island???

2...What do you say to those who think TCs are Ottoman remnants and should be held responsible for 1571????

3....What role do you think ENOSIS had in the course of our recent history???

4...What is your opinion of the Akritas Plan? What exactly was it trying to achieve....????

5....Did the TCs walk away from the government in 1963 to pave the way for Taksim,or were they driven away at gunpoint and for fear of their lives????

6...What do you think about the coup against Makarios in 74 and what in your considered opinion did Sampson have in mind for the TCs...???


I for one want to hear you answer these questions comprehensively before I will take anything you say or do seriously...Others can make up their own minds...And if you evade answering these saying "you are not interested in the past" I will dismiss you as a stupid,predictable, fanatical GC agent provocateur of a more subtle kind....

So in order to pass your "test" he has to adopt the lies of the Turkish propaganda to the letter?

By the way, the Ottoman rule was until 1878, it was not an event that happened in 1571 and disappeared by 1572. 1878 is 80 years before 1958. If today you hold the whole GC community responsible for what happened almost half a century ago by distorting the events of that era and you want to make each and every one of us "pay the price" then similarly we will also hold you responsible for everything that your side did from the day Turks first came to our island until today.

[Omer Seyhan]

I think our friend Omer Seyhan needs to answer some of our questions if he wants to establish credibility....I will summarise the ones I want him/her to answer first.....Others can add their own questions...

1...What do you say to those on this Forum who insist that Cyprus is a Greek island???

I would say "villo".

2...What do you say to those who think TCs are Ottoman remnants and should be held responsible for 1571????

I would say "villo"

3....What role do you think ENOSIS had in the course of our recent history???

A bad one.

4...What is your opinion of the Akritas Plan? What exactly was it trying to achieve....????

Very bad. Some believe to achieve enosis... others believe it was aimed at persuading world opinion that constitutional amendments that gave Greek Cypriots political dominance was right. Others even believe there was a sinister annihilation plan. I guess you prefer the sinister one, don't you?

5....Did the TCs walk away from the government in 1963 to pave the way for Taksim,or were they driven away at gunpoint and for fear of their lives????

Neither, it was a deadly cocktail of events. 1. they were intimidated and coercised by the taksim seeking TMT, 2. the Greek speaking Cypriots were not thinking as Cypriots.

6...What do you think about the coup against Makarios in 74 and what in your considered opinion did Sampson have in mind for the TCs...???

Sampson was a traitor to Cyprus who I strongly suspect as do a lot of people like Yorgadjis and Denktash were working for the intelligence service of the same large elephant country. Ever heard of the Acheson Plan?

I think the coup could have been prevented had we had a strong, pro-West, Cypriot national unity government that used its military / police might against the paramilitaries. When I say paramilitaries I mean both the EOKA B of Sampson and the TMT thugs.

I think Makarios was spectacularly weak. He should have finished off the important TMT and EOKA B main members using a Cypriot National Intelligence Service and SAS. Then he should have locked up the lesser important ones in jail in isolated cells. Occasionally, letting them out to stretch their legs and eat. You can't fight these kind of unpleasant thugs using reason - you need a strong police force and military.

I for one want to hear you answer these questions comprehensively before I will take anything you say or do seriously...Others can make up their own minds...And if you evade answering these saying "you are not interested in the past" I will dismiss you as a stupid,predictable, fanatical GC agent provocateur of a more subtle kind....

Now I've answered your questions, could you help me by removing your stupid and hideous avatar image.

[Omer Seyhan]

If Makarios was strong he would have ordered the assassination of the TMT men in Turkey before they got onto their boats and ordered the deploying of an ignited napalm mixture against any EOKA B hiding in the caves of the Troodos.

[BirKibrisli]

I think our friend Omer Seyhan needs to answer some of our questions if he wants to establish credibility....I will summarise the ones I want him/her to answer first.....Others can add their own questions...

1...What do you say to those on this Forum who insist that Cyprus is a Greek island???

I would say "villo".

2...What do you say to those who think TCs are Ottoman remnants and should be held responsible for 1571????

I would say "villo"

3....What role do you think ENOSIS had in the course of our recent history???

A bad one.

4...What is your opinion of the Akritas Plan? What exactly was it trying to achieve....????

Very bad. Some believe to achieve enosis... others believe it was aimed at persuading world opinion that constitutional amendments that gave Greek Cypriots political dominance was right. Others even believe there was a sinister annihilation plan. I guess you prefer the sinister one, don't you?

5....Did the TCs walk away from the government in 1963 to pave the way for Taksim,or were they driven away at gunpoint and for fear of their lives????

Neither, it was a deadly cocktail of events. 1. they were intimidated and coercised by the taksim seeking TMT, 2. the Greek speaking Cypriots were not thinking as Cypriots.

6...What do you think about the coup against Makarios in 74 and what in your considered opinion did Sampson have in mind for the TCs...???

Sampson was a traitor to Cyprus who I strongly suspect as do a lot of people like Yorgadjis and Denktash were working for the intelligence service of the same large elephant country. Ever heard of the Acheson Plan?

I think the coup could have been prevented had we had a strong, pro-West, Cypriot national unity government that used its military / police might against the paramilitaries. When I say paramilitaries I mean both the EOKA B of Sampson and the TMT thugs.

I think Makarios was spectacularly weak. He should have finished off the important TMT and EOKA B main members using a Cypriot National Intelligence Service and SAS. Then he should have locked up the lesser important ones in jail in isolated cells. Occasionally, letting them out to stretch their legs and eat. You can't fight these kind of unpleasant thugs using reason - you need a strong police force and military.

I for one want to hear you answer these questions comprehensively before I will take anything you say or do seriously...Others can make up their own minds...And if you evade answering these saying "you are not interested in the past" I will dismiss you as a stupid,predictable, fanatical GC agent provocateur of a more subtle kind....

Now I've answered your questions, could you help me by removing your stupid and hideous avatar image.

Villo is not acceptable as an intelligent and comprehensive reply...
Please try to answer questions 1 and 2 again...

What do you say to those who say Cyprus is a Greek island?
And what do you say to those who hold the TCs responsible for 1571 and the following period till British rule...???

Then you can answer a follow up question :

Given the situation on the ground in 1974 with Sampson as President of RoC,did Turkey have any other choice but to invade???

If yes, how else would you say Sampson could have been neutralised...?And while you are here tell us what you think Sampson had in mind for the TCs in the long term...you forgot to tell us that above...

[BirKibrisli]

If Makarios was strong he would have ordered the assassination of the TMT men in Turkey before they got onto their boats and ordered the deploying of an ignited napalm mixture against any EOKA B hiding in the caves of the Troodos.

You might also like to tell us what you think Makarios had in mind for the TCs in the long run....You said he was weak...But how did he look upon the TCs in your opinion...Please try not to evade these questions as well...

[Piratis]

What we do know with 100% certainty is what Turkey had in mind for Cyprus for the long run: The annihilation of the Greek Cypriots from half of their island.

What came FIRST was the partition plan and the subsequent attacks of TCs against GCs with the intention of initiating an inter-communal conflict which they would later use as an excuse for partition.

Until that moment no GC had anything bad in mind about TCs. All that GCs wanted was the freedom of their island from foreign rule as it happened with all other Greek islands, something which as I have shown was a 100% legitimate demand. Nothing more than this.

The TCs WON the hate of some GCs with their criminal acts against GCs in the 50s. When you create a plan to annihilate GCs from half of Cyprus, and then start a conflict in this direction, it is perfectly natural to make some enemies among the GC community.

Try to find any GC supporting any kind of harm to any TCs before the TCs started to demand our annihilation from half of our island and initiating the conflict. Can you?

[DT.]

Given the situation on the ground in 1974 with Sampson as President of RoC,did Turkey have any other choice but to invade???

If yes, how else would you say Sampson could have been neutralised...?And while you are here tell us what you think Sampson had in mind for the TCs in the long term...you forgot to tell us that above...

The Turkish foreign minister writes IN HIS BOOK that Turkey would have had a Cyprus Issue even without one single muslim on this island and Bir still thinks that they came to save him.

The clue is in the fact that they're still here Bir.