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Postby bigOz » Mon May 31, 2010 1:23 am

Omer Seyhan wrote:oh yes and two more:

Yoruk (nomads from the Taurus mountains)
Kashmiris (I have heard only of a few cases)

So that makes 28 origins!


What the fuck are you on man? You fucking demented or what? I have never read such a load of bollocks!

ollowing the defeat of the Venetians in 1571, Lala Mustafa Pasha, the Turkish Commander of the land forces in Cyprus, chose, before departing for Istanbul, 12,000 foot soldiers to remain on the island for the formation of the defensive garrison of Famagusta, Nicosia and Kyrenia. In addition, he distributed 4,000 cavalry men among the localities of Les Salines (Larnaca), Limassol, Paphos, Kyrenia, and elsewhere. The military forces were complemented by an additional 20,000 decommissioned soldiers and 2,000 cavalry remaining as colonists. These people as a whole formed the original nucleus of the fledgling Turkish-Cypriot community whose members were of Turkish origin, and by the firman (decree) of Sultan Selim II they were given fiefs for the provision of their homes, and sustenance. Steps were also taken to assist all soldiers with dependents on the mainland to bring their wives and children to Cyprus.

Nevertheless, in the opinion of Sinan Pasha, the Beylerbeyi (Governor-General) who replaced Lala Mustafa Pasha, the island was still heavily in need not only of more residents in general but also of skilled craftsmen. Consequently, after he informed Sultan Selim II of the island's condition, a firman (decree) was issued to the Kadis (chief judges) of Karaman, Íchel, Bozok (Yozgat), Alaiyye (Alanya), Teke (Antalya), and Aydin calling for a population transfer. throughout their history, this practice was commonly employed by the Ottoman Turks in rebuilding and populating the conquered territories. This was an essential part of their political theory.

In this instance Sultan Selim II recommended the transfer of one in every ten families from the areas mentioned above. It was further stipulated that their properties should be sold for their actual market value and that all monies thereby accruing should be given to them for their use in Cyprus. Furthermore, in order to provide additional assistance, they were to be exempt from all taxation for the initial three years of their residence in Cyprus.

In order to assure the effective development of the island, those individuals sent to Cyprus were, as part of the relocation programme, screened as to their moral integrity, two witnesses being required to testify to their character. In addition, efforts were made to obtain craftsmen representing a wide range of skills known to be of short supply on the island. Special attention was given primarily to relocating farmers. These were supplemented by some shoemakers, bootmakers, tailors, weavers, makers of linen skull-caps, quilt makers, spinners, cooks, candle-makers, farriers, tanners, masons, jewellers, coppersmiths, and miners. Also efforts were made to transfer families with many young daughters so as to provide spouses for unwed ex-military personnel. Ultimately, these families relocated to the island from the Black Sea regions of Trabzon, Giresun, Samsun, and Sinop.

A total of 5,720 households were transferred in this early period and re-settled in approximately one hundred empty villages in the Mesaoria, Mazoto, and Paphos regions of Cyprus. Early arrivals consisted of families primarily from Karaman, Yozgat, Alanya, and Antalya. Others quickly following came primarily from Beysehir, Aksaray, Seydişehir, Develihisar, Nigde, and Endugi. The transfer to Cyprus of population from several Anatolian provinces continued immediately ensuing years with families from Konya, Kırşehir, Aydin, Çorum, Kayseri, Samsun, Eskisehir, Ankara, Burdur, and Ushak.


I wander what your fucking origins are??? :evil: [/b]
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Postby Malapapa » Mon May 31, 2010 1:27 am

YFred wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:So Turkish Cypriot origins are:

Venetian (converts)
Croatian
French
Genoevese
Spanish
Maltese
Norman
Turkish (Sunni elite and Alevi 'heretics')
Karamanlis (agriculturalists)
Greek, (converts)
Arab (Palestinian and Egyptian),
Sudanese (slaves),
Armenian (converts)
Maronite (converts)
Romani, (assimilated over time)
Kurdish (Alevi mostly),
Alawaite,
Jewish (from Safed),
Macedonian, Serbian or Croat (Janisseries - soldiers),
Circassian (Slaves)
Albanian (Ottoman tax collector)
Bosnian (Ottoman tax collectors)

So we actually have a better history and blood line than those inbred cheekykittens and wanabe greeks.


Next time someone accuses you of being a crazy mixed-up Mongol you can say: "No I'm not. I'm a crazy mixed-up Mongrel."
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Postby YFred » Mon May 31, 2010 1:29 am

Malapapa wrote:
YFred wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:So Turkish Cypriot origins are:

Venetian (converts)
Croatian
French
Genoevese
Spanish
Maltese
Norman
Turkish (Sunni elite and Alevi 'heretics')
Karamanlis (agriculturalists)
Greek, (converts)
Arab (Palestinian and Egyptian),
Sudanese (slaves),
Armenian (converts)
Maronite (converts)
Romani, (assimilated over time)
Kurdish (Alevi mostly),
Alawaite,
Jewish (from Safed),
Macedonian, Serbian or Croat (Janisseries - soldiers),
Circassian (Slaves)
Albanian (Ottoman tax collector)
Bosnian (Ottoman tax collectors)

So we actually have a better history and blood line than those inbred cheekykittens and wanabe greeks.


Next time someone accuses you of being a crazy mixed-up Mongol you can say: "No I'm not. I'm a crazy mixed-up Mongrol."

Ind an bu mu lalis reh arnui?
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Postby Omer Seyhan » Mon May 31, 2010 1:32 am

bigOz wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:oh yes and two more:

Yoruk (nomads from the Taurus mountains)
Kashmiris (I have heard only of a few cases)

So that makes 28 origins!


What the fuck are you on man? You fucking demented or what? I have never read such a load of bollocks!

ollowing the defeat of the Venetians in 1571, Lala Mustafa Pasha, the Turkish Commander of the land forces in Cyprus, chose, before departing for Istanbul, 12,000 foot soldiers to remain on the island for the formation of the defensive garrison of Famagusta, Nicosia and Kyrenia. In addition, he distributed 4,000 cavalry men among the localities of Les Salines (Larnaca), Limassol, Paphos, Kyrenia, and elsewhere. The military forces were complemented by an additional 20,000 decommissioned soldiers and 2,000 cavalry remaining as colonists. These people as a whole formed the original nucleus of the fledgling Turkish-Cypriot community whose members were of Turkish origin, and by the firman (decree) of Sultan Selim II they were given fiefs for the provision of their homes, and sustenance. Steps were also taken to assist all soldiers with dependents on the mainland to bring their wives and children to Cyprus.

Nevertheless, in the opinion of Sinan Pasha, the Beylerbeyi (Governor-General) who replaced Lala Mustafa Pasha, the island was still heavily in need not only of more residents in general but also of skilled craftsmen. Consequently, after he informed Sultan Selim II of the island's condition, a firman (decree) was issued to the Kadis (chief judges) of Karaman, Íchel, Bozok (Yozgat), Alaiyye (Alanya), Teke (Antalya), and Aydin calling for a population transfer. throughout their history, this practice was commonly employed by the Ottoman Turks in rebuilding and populating the conquered territories. This was an essential part of their political theory.

In this instance Sultan Selim II recommended the transfer of one in every ten families from the areas mentioned above. It was further stipulated that their properties should be sold for their actual market value and that all monies thereby accruing should be given to them for their use in Cyprus. Furthermore, in order to provide additional assistance, they were to be exempt from all taxation for the initial three years of their residence in Cyprus.

In order to assure the effective development of the island, those individuals sent to Cyprus were, as part of the relocation programme, screened as to their moral integrity, two witnesses being required to testify to their character. In addition, efforts were made to obtain craftsmen representing a wide range of skills known to be of short supply on the island. Special attention was given primarily to relocating farmers. These were supplemented by some shoemakers, bootmakers, tailors, weavers, makers of linen skull-caps, quilt makers, spinners, cooks, candle-makers, farriers, tanners, masons, jewellers, coppersmiths, and miners. Also efforts were made to transfer families with many young daughters so as to provide spouses for unwed ex-military personnel. Ultimately, these families relocated to the island from the Black Sea regions of Trabzon, Giresun, Samsun, and Sinop.

A total of 5,720 households were transferred in this early period and re-settled in approximately one hundred empty villages in the Mesaoria, Mazoto, and Paphos regions of Cyprus. Early arrivals consisted of families primarily from Karaman, Yozgat, Alanya, and Antalya. Others quickly following came primarily from Beysehir, Aksaray, Seydişehir, Develihisar, Nigde, and Endugi. The transfer to Cyprus of population from several Anatolian provinces continued immediately ensuing years with families from Konya, Kırşehir, Aydin, Çorum, Kayseri, Samsun, Eskisehir, Ankara, Burdur, and Ushak.


I wander what your fucking origins are??? :evil: [/b]


BigOZ you are a BigBullug. You dassak sakulli how dare you! I am very well read on the subject, ok?

You on the other hand went to http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/people/ ... index.html

to gather your information.

Historical research does not come off easy to read websites, they come from academic sources such as Nazim Beratli's Kibris Turk Tarihi, Ronald Jennings, Christians and Muslims in Ottoman Cyprus, Sir Harry Luke's Cyprus under the Turks, Prof. Atun's historical atlas, Gazioglu's Turks in Cyprus and many more.....
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Postby bigOz » Mon May 31, 2010 1:33 am

The same message I posted earlier applies to you too be papafingo!

Malapapa wrote:
YFred wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:So Turkish Cypriot origins are:

Venetian (converts)
Croatian
French
Genoevese
Spanish
Maltese
Norman
Turkish (Sunni elite and Alevi 'heretics')
Karamanlis (agriculturalists)
Greek, (converts)
Arab (Palestinian and Egyptian),
Sudanese (slaves),
Armenian (converts)
Maronite (converts)
Romani, (assimilated over time)
Kurdish (Alevi mostly),
Alawaite,
Jewish (from Safed),
Macedonian, Serbian or Croat (Janisseries - soldiers),
Circassian (Slaves)
Albanian (Ottoman tax collector)
Bosnian (Ottoman tax collectors)

So we actually have a better history and blood line than those inbred cheekykittens and wanabe greeks.


Next time someone accuses you of being a crazy mixed-up Mongol you can say: "No I'm not. I'm a crazy mixed-up Mongrol."

What the fuck are you on man? You fucking demented or what? I have never read such a load of bollocks!

Following the defeat of the Venetians in 1571, Lala Mustafa Pasha, the Turkish Commander of the land forces in Cyprus, chose, before departing for Istanbul, 12,000 foot soldiers to remain on the island for the formation of the defensive garrison of Famagusta, Nicosia and Kyrenia. In addition, he distributed 4,000 cavalry men among the localities of Les Salines (Larnaca), Limassol, Paphos, Kyrenia, and elsewhere. The military forces were complemented by an additional 20,000 decommissioned soldiers and 2,000 cavalry remaining as colonists. These people as a whole formed the original nucleus of the fledgling Turkish-Cypriot community whose members were of Turkish origin, and by the firman (decree) of Sultan Selim II they were given fiefs for the provision of their homes, and sustenance. Steps were also taken to assist all soldiers with dependents on the mainland to bring their wives and children to Cyprus.

Nevertheless, in the opinion of Sinan Pasha, the Beylerbeyi (Governor-General) who replaced Lala Mustafa Pasha, the island was still heavily in need not only of more residents in general but also of skilled craftsmen. Consequently, after he informed Sultan Selim II of the island's condition, a firman (decree) was issued to the Kadis (chief judges) of Karaman, Íchel, Bozok (Yozgat), Alaiyye (Alanya), Teke (Antalya), and Aydin calling for a population transfer. throughout their history, this practice was commonly employed by the Ottoman Turks in rebuilding and populating the conquered territories. This was an essential part of their political theory.

In this instance Sultan Selim II recommended the transfer of one in every ten families from the areas mentioned above. It was further stipulated that their properties should be sold for their actual market value and that all monies thereby accruing should be given to them for their use in Cyprus. Furthermore, in order to provide additional assistance, they were to be exempt from all taxation for the initial three years of their residence in Cyprus.

In order to assure the effective development of the island, those individuals sent to Cyprus were, as part of the relocation programme, screened as to their moral integrity, two witnesses being required to testify to their character. In addition, efforts were made to obtain craftsmen representing a wide range of skills known to be of short supply on the island. Special attention was given primarily to relocating farmers. These were supplemented by some shoemakers, bootmakers, tailors, weavers, makers of linen skull-caps, quilt makers, spinners, cooks, candle-makers, farriers, tanners, masons, jewellers, coppersmiths, and miners. Also efforts were made to transfer families with many young daughters so as to provide spouses for unwed ex-military personnel. Ultimately, these families relocated to the island from the Black Sea regions of Trabzon, Giresun, Samsun, and Sinop.

A total of 5,720 households were transferred in this early period and re-settled in approximately one hundred empty villages in the Mesaoria, Mazoto, and Paphos regions of Cyprus. Early arrivals consisted of families primarily from Karaman, Yozgat, Alanya, and Antalya. Others quickly following came primarily from Beysehir, Aksaray, Seydişehir, Develihisar, Nigde, and Endugi. The transfer to Cyprus of population from several Anatolian provinces continued immediately ensuing years with families from Konya, Kırşehir, Aydin, Çorum, Kayseri, Samsun, Eskisehir, Ankara, Burdur, and Ushak.

I wander what your fucking origins are??? :roll:
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Postby Omer Seyhan » Mon May 31, 2010 1:36 am

My origins are probably Turkish Alevi, Spanish Jewish and Latin - like many other Turkish-speaking Cypriots.

But ultimately I am a Cypriot and I am for Cypriot unity and freedom.
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Postby Omer Seyhan » Mon May 31, 2010 1:39 am

bigOz wrote:The same message I posted earlier applies to you too be papafingo!

Malapapa wrote:
YFred wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:So Turkish Cypriot origins are:

Venetian (converts)
Croatian
French
Genoevese
Spanish
Maltese
Norman
Turkish (Sunni elite and Alevi 'heretics')
Karamanlis (agriculturalists)
Greek, (converts)
Arab (Palestinian and Egyptian),
Sudanese (slaves),
Armenian (converts)
Maronite (converts)
Romani, (assimilated over time)
Kurdish (Alevi mostly),
Alawaite,
Jewish (from Safed),
Macedonian, Serbian or Croat (Janisseries - soldiers),
Circassian (Slaves)
Albanian (Ottoman tax collector)
Bosnian (Ottoman tax collectors)

So we actually have a better history and blood line than those inbred cheekykittens and wanabe greeks.


Next time someone accuses you of being a crazy mixed-up Mongol you can say: "No I'm not. I'm a crazy mixed-up Mongrol."

What the fuck are you on man? You fucking demented or what? I have never read such a load of bollocks!

Following the defeat of the Venetians in 1571, Lala Mustafa Pasha, the Turkish Commander of the land forces in Cyprus, chose, before departing for Istanbul, 12,000 foot soldiers to remain on the island for the formation of the defensive garrison of Famagusta, Nicosia and Kyrenia. In addition, he distributed 4,000 cavalry men among the localities of Les Salines (Larnaca), Limassol, Paphos, Kyrenia, and elsewhere. The military forces were complemented by an additional 20,000 decommissioned soldiers and 2,000 cavalry remaining as colonists. These people as a whole formed the original nucleus of the fledgling Turkish-Cypriot community whose members were of Turkish origin, and by the firman (decree) of Sultan Selim II they were given fiefs for the provision of their homes, and sustenance. Steps were also taken to assist all soldiers with dependents on the mainland to bring their wives and children to Cyprus.

Nevertheless, in the opinion of Sinan Pasha, the Beylerbeyi (Governor-General) who replaced Lala Mustafa Pasha, the island was still heavily in need not only of more residents in general but also of skilled craftsmen. Consequently, after he informed Sultan Selim II of the island's condition, a firman (decree) was issued to the Kadis (chief judges) of Karaman, Íchel, Bozok (Yozgat), Alaiyye (Alanya), Teke (Antalya), and Aydin calling for a population transfer. throughout their history, this practice was commonly employed by the Ottoman Turks in rebuilding and populating the conquered territories. This was an essential part of their political theory.

In this instance Sultan Selim II recommended the transfer of one in every ten families from the areas mentioned above. It was further stipulated that their properties should be sold for their actual market value and that all monies thereby accruing should be given to them for their use in Cyprus. Furthermore, in order to provide additional assistance, they were to be exempt from all taxation for the initial three years of their residence in Cyprus.

In order to assure the effective development of the island, those individuals sent to Cyprus were, as part of the relocation programme, screened as to their moral integrity, two witnesses being required to testify to their character. In addition, efforts were made to obtain craftsmen representing a wide range of skills known to be of short supply on the island. Special attention was given primarily to relocating farmers. These were supplemented by some shoemakers, bootmakers, tailors, weavers, makers of linen skull-caps, quilt makers, spinners, cooks, candle-makers, farriers, tanners, masons, jewellers, coppersmiths, and miners. Also efforts were made to transfer families with many young daughters so as to provide spouses for unwed ex-military personnel. Ultimately, these families relocated to the island from the Black Sea regions of Trabzon, Giresun, Samsun, and Sinop.

A total of 5,720 households were transferred in this early period and re-settled in approximately one hundred empty villages in the Mesaoria, Mazoto, and Paphos regions of Cyprus. Early arrivals consisted of families primarily from Karaman, Yozgat, Alanya, and Antalya. Others quickly following came primarily from Beysehir, Aksaray, Seydişehir, Develihisar, Nigde, and Endugi. The transfer to Cyprus of population from several Anatolian provinces continued immediately ensuing years with families from Konya, Kırşehir, Aydin, Çorum, Kayseri, Samsun, Eskisehir, Ankara, Burdur, and Ushak.

I wander what your fucking origins are??? :roll:


Questions to bear in mind when studying history is: where you sources come from, who wrote them, why, for whom is worth asking....

There is overall agreement that Ottoman Muslims (not necessarily Turks) came to Cyprus, thats why we have the Turkish language but how many of them were ethnically Turkish since Armenians were up to the 20th century Turkish speaking and so were the Karamanlis and many Kurds.

Also, what your text does not tell us is how many returned to Anatolia. There have been studies on this too lately, suggesting many did return as Cyprus was a malarial swamp back in 1571.
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Postby bigOz » Mon May 31, 2010 1:40 am

Omer Seyhan wrote:
bigOz wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:oh yes and two more:

Yoruk (nomads from the Taurus mountains)
Kashmiris (I have heard only of a few cases)

So that makes 28 origins!


What the fuck are you on man? You fucking demented or what? I have never read such a load of bollocks!

ollowing the defeat of the Venetians in 1571, Lala Mustafa Pasha, the Turkish Commander of the land forces in Cyprus, chose, before departing for Istanbul, 12,000 foot soldiers to remain on the island for the formation of the defensive garrison of Famagusta, Nicosia and Kyrenia. In addition, he distributed 4,000 cavalry men among the localities of Les Salines (Larnaca), Limassol, Paphos, Kyrenia, and elsewhere. The military forces were complemented by an additional 20,000 decommissioned soldiers and 2,000 cavalry remaining as colonists. These people as a whole formed the original nucleus of the fledgling Turkish-Cypriot community whose members were of Turkish origin, and by the firman (decree) of Sultan Selim II they were given fiefs for the provision of their homes, and sustenance. Steps were also taken to assist all soldiers with dependents on the mainland to bring their wives and children to Cyprus.

Nevertheless, in the opinion of Sinan Pasha, the Beylerbeyi (Governor-General) who replaced Lala Mustafa Pasha, the island was still heavily in need not only of more residents in general but also of skilled craftsmen. Consequently, after he informed Sultan Selim II of the island's condition, a firman (decree) was issued to the Kadis (chief judges) of Karaman, Íchel, Bozok (Yozgat), Alaiyye (Alanya), Teke (Antalya), and Aydin calling for a population transfer. throughout their history, this practice was commonly employed by the Ottoman Turks in rebuilding and populating the conquered territories. This was an essential part of their political theory.

In this instance Sultan Selim II recommended the transfer of one in every ten families from the areas mentioned above. It was further stipulated that their properties should be sold for their actual market value and that all monies thereby accruing should be given to them for their use in Cyprus. Furthermore, in order to provide additional assistance, they were to be exempt from all taxation for the initial three years of their residence in Cyprus.

In order to assure the effective development of the island, those individuals sent to Cyprus were, as part of the relocation programme, screened as to their moral integrity, two witnesses being required to testify to their character. In addition, efforts were made to obtain craftsmen representing a wide range of skills known to be of short supply on the island. Special attention was given primarily to relocating farmers. These were supplemented by some shoemakers, bootmakers, tailors, weavers, makers of linen skull-caps, quilt makers, spinners, cooks, candle-makers, farriers, tanners, masons, jewellers, coppersmiths, and miners. Also efforts were made to transfer families with many young daughters so as to provide spouses for unwed ex-military personnel. Ultimately, these families relocated to the island from the Black Sea regions of Trabzon, Giresun, Samsun, and Sinop.

A total of 5,720 households were transferred in this early period and re-settled in approximately one hundred empty villages in the Mesaoria, Mazoto, and Paphos regions of Cyprus. Early arrivals consisted of families primarily from Karaman, Yozgat, Alanya, and Antalya. Others quickly following came primarily from Beysehir, Aksaray, Seydişehir, Develihisar, Nigde, and Endugi. The transfer to Cyprus of population from several Anatolian provinces continued immediately ensuing years with families from Konya, Kırşehir, Aydin, Çorum, Kayseri, Samsun, Eskisehir, Ankara, Burdur, and Ushak.


I wander what your fucking origins are??? :evil: [/b]


BigOZ you are a BigBullug. You dassak sakulli how dare you! I am very well read on the subject, ok?

You on the other hand went to http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/people/ ... index.html

to gather your information.

Historical research does not come off easy to read websites, they come from academic sources such as Nazim Beratli's Kibris Turk Tarihi, Ronald Jennings, Christians and Muslims in Ottoman Cyprus, Sir Harry Luke's Cyprus under the Turks, Prof. Atun's historical atlas, Gazioglu's Turks in Cyprus and many more.....


Be fucking cubt! yiu do not even know how to write proper Turkish never mind reading all the sources you quote.

Bre kani bozuk ipne! I do not deny what my source is - if you know so nuch you should also know that the quote in this script relies heavily on Ottoman annals and records! Who does your fucking fairy tale telling titles depend on? Fucking Sir Harry Luke? What is Atun a proffessor of. And who exactly are the rest of your kabilesi bozuk SOBs?

Now you go and fuck yourself before I do it for you ARSEHOLE!!! :twisted:
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Postby Malapapa » Mon May 31, 2010 1:44 am

bigOz wrote:What the fuck are you on man? You fucking demented or what? I have never read such a load of bollocks!

ollowing the defeat of the Venetians in 1571, Lala Mustafa Pasha, the Turkish Commander of the land forces in Cyprus, chose, before departing

etc...

The transfer to Cyprus of population from several Anatolian provinces continued immediately ensuing years with families from Konya, Kırşehir, Aydin, Çorum, Kayseri, Samsun, Eskisehir, Ankara, Burdur, and Ushak.


I wander what your fucking origins are??? :evil: [/b]


I wandered what the fucking origins of what you posted were.

Here's the link:

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/people/ ... index.html

I'll let others judge whether it's an objective source.
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Postby bigOz » Mon May 31, 2010 1:44 am

Omer Seyhan wrote:My origins are probably Turkish Alevi, Spanish Jewish and Latin - like many other Turkish-speaking Cypriots.

But ultimately I am a Cypriot and I am for Cypriot unity and freedom.

You probably are! But ask your Cypriot mates how many of them think of themselves as Greek and not really Cypriot?
AND NOW FOR THE EUROVISION VOTES OF CYPRUS! "Greece 12 points!" As has it has always been and will be in every competition! You sound exactly like me 11 years ago!
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