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[YFred]

What I support is democracy, human rights for every singe Cypriot, and freedom to Cyprus so the Cypriot people can democratically choose what they want for their own island. I say no to ethnic cleansing, no to segregation and racist discrimination.

Maybe the problem lies in what you don't say, Piratis. You say here that you support human rights for Cypriots, but omit to say whether you support human rights for non-Cypriots, including Turks. If you'd said that you supported universal human rights things would be clear; but as it is you limit your support to Cypriot human rights which is usually then qualified by you saying that the will of the majority must be followed. A standard view of universal human rights - one you seem to disagree with - is that a majority view, however democratic, must not and cannot undermine those basic universal human rights.

In sum, do you support universal human rights which includes Turks as well ? Yes or no ?

Of course I support the human rights of all universally!

Why are you asking about the Turks? Do I support for Cyprus to invade Turkey and violate the human rights of the Turks?

It is Turkey which invaded our island and violates our rights with her soldiers and her settlers who are illegally occupying our lands and prevent us from returning to them.

Perhaps we can go back to 1960 and kick out all foreginers that arrived both in the north and the south. Damn the fuse has blown on my time machine so we have to delay that activity a while longer.

You can decide who is staying in the south and we'll decide in the north. Now we can't be fairer than that can we?

I know what you are going to say to that so no need to reply.

The north does not belong to you to take decisions for it.

Republic of Cyprus has laws, just like every other country, and only the relevant authorities of Republic of Cyprus can determine if a foreigner can be given permit to be in Cyprus.

I do not have the right to go to Turkey without the permission of the Turkish authorities. And certainly Cyprus has no right to ethnically cleanse part of Turkey from the Turks and replace them with Cypriot Soldiers and Settlers. Similarly Turkey has no right to do such thing in Cyprus.

Really, but even the eu recognises that roc has no authority in the north.

Quite the contrary. EU recognizes that the north part of Cyprus is territory of Republic of Cyprus which is currently under the illegal occupation of Turkey.

What efforts, Piratis, were made by the Republic of Cyprus to ensure that the basic human rights (right to vote) of Turkish Cypriots were upheld in the European elections (the Europe which sees the whole of Cyprus as being part of the EU, and the EU member in the form of the Republic of Cyprus which claims authority, including represntative authority over the whole of Cyprus) ?

The TCs were free to participate in the elections in the same way as every other Cypriot. Not good enough for you?

But what steps did roc take to register those who wanted to vote. Were there any forms sent out? Like it normally happens in any other civilized country?
Could anybody from the north stand?

[Piratis]

What I support is democracy, human rights for every singe Cypriot, and freedom to Cyprus so the Cypriot people can democratically choose what they want for their own island. I say no to ethnic cleansing, no to segregation and racist discrimination.

Maybe the problem lies in what you don't say, Piratis. You say here that you support human rights for Cypriots, but omit to say whether you support human rights for non-Cypriots, including Turks. If you'd said that you supported universal human rights things would be clear; but as it is you limit your support to Cypriot human rights which is usually then qualified by you saying that the will of the majority must be followed. A standard view of universal human rights - one you seem to disagree with - is that a majority view, however democratic, must not and cannot undermine those basic universal human rights.

In sum, do you support universal human rights which includes Turks as well ? Yes or no ?

Of course I support the human rights of all universally!

Why are you asking about the Turks? Do I support for Cyprus to invade Turkey and violate the human rights of the Turks?

It is Turkey which invaded our island and violates our rights with her soldiers and her settlers who are illegally occupying our lands and prevent us from returning to them.

Good, glad to read that you support universal human rights, Piratis, including of Turks. (Why do I ask about Turks ? Because most of your posts seem to discriminate against human beings who, from no choice of their own, were born as citizens of Turkey. I didn't task anything about Cyprus invading Turkey - what a bizarre thing to suggest - so I think you were probably just jumping ahead of yourself there). I look forward to your robust defence of the human rights of Turkish citizens as well as Turkish Cypriots living in northern Cyprus, such as enjoyment of property, freedom of expression (in Turkish) in the Republic of Cyprus, right to vote and contest European elections in Cyprus, freedom of trade union association .... welcome to the struggle.

You are wrong. I have no problem with Turks or TCs in general, but with those who support racist discrimination and segregation in Cyprus, which unfortunately seems to be the majority of TCs and Turks.

Piratis, do you honestly believe that you can bring the two communities together today as was in 1960 and you will be able to contain any problems under the law?

I have no problem with all Cypriots living mixed together everywhere on Cyprus, so this wouldn't be a problem for me. But obviously most TCs want segregation, and that is where the problems could be created.

[YFred]

What I support is democracy, human rights for every singe Cypriot, and freedom to Cyprus so the Cypriot people can democratically choose what they want for their own island. I say no to ethnic cleansing, no to segregation and racist discrimination.

Maybe the problem lies in what you don't say, Piratis. You say here that you support human rights for Cypriots, but omit to say whether you support human rights for non-Cypriots, including Turks. If you'd said that you supported universal human rights things would be clear; but as it is you limit your support to Cypriot human rights which is usually then qualified by you saying that the will of the majority must be followed. A standard view of universal human rights - one you seem to disagree with - is that a majority view, however democratic, must not and cannot undermine those basic universal human rights.

In sum, do you support universal human rights which includes Turks as well ? Yes or no ?

Of course I support the human rights of all universally!

Why are you asking about the Turks? Do I support for Cyprus to invade Turkey and violate the human rights of the Turks?

It is Turkey which invaded our island and violates our rights with her soldiers and her settlers who are illegally occupying our lands and prevent us from returning to them.

Good, glad to read that you support universal human rights, Piratis, including of Turks. (Why do I ask about Turks ? Because most of your posts seem to discriminate against human beings who, from no choice of their own, were born as citizens of Turkey. I didn't task anything about Cyprus invading Turkey - what a bizarre thing to suggest - so I think you were probably just jumping ahead of yourself there). I look forward to your robust defence of the human rights of Turkish citizens as well as Turkish Cypriots living in northern Cyprus, such as enjoyment of property, freedom of expression (in Turkish) in the Republic of Cyprus, right to vote and contest European elections in Cyprus, freedom of trade union association .... welcome to the struggle.

You are wrong. I have no problem with Turks or TCs in general, but with those who support racist discrimination and segregation in Cyprus, which unfortunately seems to be the majority of TCs and Turks.

Piratis, do you honestly believe that you can bring the two communities together today as was in 1960 and you will be able to contain any problems under the law?

I have no problem with all Cypriots living mixed together everywhere on Cyprus, so this wouldn't be a problem for me. But obviously most TCs want segregation, and that is where the problems could be created.

No you have not answered the question. Can you see no problems with such a move?

[Piratis]

What I support is democracy, human rights for every singe Cypriot, and freedom to Cyprus so the Cypriot people can democratically choose what they want for their own island. I say no to ethnic cleansing, no to segregation and racist discrimination.

Maybe the problem lies in what you don't say, Piratis. You say here that you support human rights for Cypriots, but omit to say whether you support human rights for non-Cypriots, including Turks. If you'd said that you supported universal human rights things would be clear; but as it is you limit your support to Cypriot human rights which is usually then qualified by you saying that the will of the majority must be followed. A standard view of universal human rights - one you seem to disagree with - is that a majority view, however democratic, must not and cannot undermine those basic universal human rights.

In sum, do you support universal human rights which includes Turks as well ? Yes or no ?

Of course I support the human rights of all universally!

Why are you asking about the Turks? Do I support for Cyprus to invade Turkey and violate the human rights of the Turks?

It is Turkey which invaded our island and violates our rights with her soldiers and her settlers who are illegally occupying our lands and prevent us from returning to them.

Perhaps we can go back to 1960 and kick out all foreginers that arrived both in the north and the south. Damn the fuse has blown on my time machine so we have to delay that activity a while longer.

You can decide who is staying in the south and we'll decide in the north. Now we can't be fairer than that can we?

I know what you are going to say to that so no need to reply.

The north does not belong to you to take decisions for it.

Republic of Cyprus has laws, just like every other country, and only the relevant authorities of Republic of Cyprus can determine if a foreigner can be given permit to be in Cyprus.

I do not have the right to go to Turkey without the permission of the Turkish authorities. And certainly Cyprus has no right to ethnically cleanse part of Turkey from the Turks and replace them with Cypriot Soldiers and Settlers. Similarly Turkey has no right to do such thing in Cyprus.

Really, but even the eu recognises that roc has no authority in the north.

Quite the contrary. EU recognizes that the north part of Cyprus is territory of Republic of Cyprus which is currently under the illegal occupation of Turkey.

What efforts, Piratis, were made by the Republic of Cyprus to ensure that the basic human rights (right to vote) of Turkish Cypriots were upheld in the European elections (the Europe which sees the whole of Cyprus as being part of the EU, and the EU member in the form of the Republic of Cyprus which claims authority, including represntative authority over the whole of Cyprus) ?

The TCs were free to participate in the elections in the same way as every other Cypriot. Not good enough for you?

But what steps did roc take to register those who wanted to vote. Were there any forms sent out? Like it normally happens in any other civilized country?
Could anybody from the north stand?

I didn't receive any form and I don't think any other country does this. TCs were free to go and register like the rest of us. And TCs could be candidates like the rest of us as well.

In fact what TCs wanted for the EU elections is again segregation. They wanted 2 seats (30% of the seats of Cyprus!!) to be given just to them and TCs (and Settlers) to elect 2 MEPs in separate elections.

[Piratis]

What I support is democracy, human rights for every singe Cypriot, and freedom to Cyprus so the Cypriot people can democratically choose what they want for their own island. I say no to ethnic cleansing, no to segregation and racist discrimination.

Maybe the problem lies in what you don't say, Piratis. You say here that you support human rights for Cypriots, but omit to say whether you support human rights for non-Cypriots, including Turks. If you'd said that you supported universal human rights things would be clear; but as it is you limit your support to Cypriot human rights which is usually then qualified by you saying that the will of the majority must be followed. A standard view of universal human rights - one you seem to disagree with - is that a majority view, however democratic, must not and cannot undermine those basic universal human rights.

In sum, do you support universal human rights which includes Turks as well ? Yes or no ?

Of course I support the human rights of all universally!

Why are you asking about the Turks? Do I support for Cyprus to invade Turkey and violate the human rights of the Turks?

It is Turkey which invaded our island and violates our rights with her soldiers and her settlers who are illegally occupying our lands and prevent us from returning to them.

Good, glad to read that you support universal human rights, Piratis, including of Turks. (Why do I ask about Turks ? Because most of your posts seem to discriminate against human beings who, from no choice of their own, were born as citizens of Turkey. I didn't task anything about Cyprus invading Turkey - what a bizarre thing to suggest - so I think you were probably just jumping ahead of yourself there). I look forward to your robust defence of the human rights of Turkish citizens as well as Turkish Cypriots living in northern Cyprus, such as enjoyment of property, freedom of expression (in Turkish) in the Republic of Cyprus, right to vote and contest European elections in Cyprus, freedom of trade union association .... welcome to the struggle.

You are wrong. I have no problem with Turks or TCs in general, but with those who support racist discrimination and segregation in Cyprus, which unfortunately seems to be the majority of TCs and Turks.

Piratis, do you honestly believe that you can bring the two communities together today as was in 1960 and you will be able to contain any problems under the law?

I have no problem with all Cypriots living mixed together everywhere on Cyprus, so this wouldn't be a problem for me. But obviously most TCs want segregation, and that is where the problems could be created.

No you have not answered the question. Can you see no problems with such a move?

Are you going to create problems?

[DT.]

What I support is democracy, human rights for every singe Cypriot, and freedom to Cyprus so the Cypriot people can democratically choose what they want for their own island. I say no to ethnic cleansing, no to segregation and racist discrimination.

Maybe the problem lies in what you don't say, Piratis. You say here that you support human rights for Cypriots, but omit to say whether you support human rights for non-Cypriots, including Turks. If you'd said that you supported universal human rights things would be clear; but as it is you limit your support to Cypriot human rights which is usually then qualified by you saying that the will of the majority must be followed. A standard view of universal human rights - one you seem to disagree with - is that a majority view, however democratic, must not and cannot undermine those basic universal human rights.

In sum, do you support universal human rights which includes Turks as well ? Yes or no ?

Of course I support the human rights of all universally!

Why are you asking about the Turks? Do I support for Cyprus to invade Turkey and violate the human rights of the Turks?

It is Turkey which invaded our island and violates our rights with her soldiers and her settlers who are illegally occupying our lands and prevent us from returning to them.

Perhaps we can go back to 1960 and kick out all foreginers that arrived both in the north and the south. Damn the fuse has blown on my time machine so we have to delay that activity a while longer.

You can decide who is staying in the south and we'll decide in the north. Now we can't be fairer than that can we?

I know what you are going to say to that so no need to reply.

The north does not belong to you to take decisions for it.

Republic of Cyprus has laws, just like every other country, and only the relevant authorities of Republic of Cyprus can determine if a foreigner can be given permit to be in Cyprus.

I do not have the right to go to Turkey without the permission of the Turkish authorities. And certainly Cyprus has no right to ethnically cleanse part of Turkey from the Turks and replace them with Cypriot Soldiers and Settlers. Similarly Turkey has no right to do such thing in Cyprus.

Really, but even the eu recognises that roc has no authority in the north.

Quite the contrary. EU recognizes that the north part of Cyprus is territory of Republic of Cyprus which is currently under the illegal occupation of Turkey.

What efforts, Piratis, were made by the Republic of Cyprus to ensure that the basic human rights (right to vote) of Turkish Cypriots were upheld in the European elections (the Europe which sees the whole of Cyprus as being part of the EU, and the EU member in the form of the Republic of Cyprus which claims authority, including represntative authority over the whole of Cyprus) ?

The TCs were free to participate in the elections in the same way as every other Cypriot. Not good enough for you?

But what steps did roc take to register those who wanted to vote. Were there any forms sent out? Like it normally happens in any other civilized country?
Could anybody from the north stand?

I didn't receive any form and I don't think any other country does this. TCs were free to go and register like the rest of us. And TCs could be candidates like the rest of us as well.

In fact what TCs wanted for the EU elections is again segregation. They wanted 2 seats (30% of the seats of Cyprus!!) to be given just to them and TCs (and Settlers) to elect 2 MEPs in separate elections.

A TC did stand for the last MEP elections. Don't remember for which party.

[YFred]

What I support is democracy, human rights for every singe Cypriot, and freedom to Cyprus so the Cypriot people can democratically choose what they want for their own island. I say no to ethnic cleansing, no to segregation and racist discrimination.

Maybe the problem lies in what you don't say, Piratis. You say here that you support human rights for Cypriots, but omit to say whether you support human rights for non-Cypriots, including Turks. If you'd said that you supported universal human rights things would be clear; but as it is you limit your support to Cypriot human rights which is usually then qualified by you saying that the will of the majority must be followed. A standard view of universal human rights - one you seem to disagree with - is that a majority view, however democratic, must not and cannot undermine those basic universal human rights.

In sum, do you support universal human rights which includes Turks as well ? Yes or no ?

Of course I support the human rights of all universally!

Why are you asking about the Turks? Do I support for Cyprus to invade Turkey and violate the human rights of the Turks?

It is Turkey which invaded our island and violates our rights with her soldiers and her settlers who are illegally occupying our lands and prevent us from returning to them.

Perhaps we can go back to 1960 and kick out all foreginers that arrived both in the north and the south. Damn the fuse has blown on my time machine so we have to delay that activity a while longer.

You can decide who is staying in the south and we'll decide in the north. Now we can't be fairer than that can we?

I know what you are going to say to that so no need to reply.

The north does not belong to you to take decisions for it.

Republic of Cyprus has laws, just like every other country, and only the relevant authorities of Republic of Cyprus can determine if a foreigner can be given permit to be in Cyprus.

I do not have the right to go to Turkey without the permission of the Turkish authorities. And certainly Cyprus has no right to ethnically cleanse part of Turkey from the Turks and replace them with Cypriot Soldiers and Settlers. Similarly Turkey has no right to do such thing in Cyprus.

Really, but even the eu recognises that roc has no authority in the north.

Quite the contrary. EU recognizes that the north part of Cyprus is territory of Republic of Cyprus which is currently under the illegal occupation of Turkey.

What efforts, Piratis, were made by the Republic of Cyprus to ensure that the basic human rights (right to vote) of Turkish Cypriots were upheld in the European elections (the Europe which sees the whole of Cyprus as being part of the EU, and the EU member in the form of the Republic of Cyprus which claims authority, including represntative authority over the whole of Cyprus) ?

The TCs were free to participate in the elections in the same way as every other Cypriot. Not good enough for you?

But what steps did roc take to register those who wanted to vote. Were there any forms sent out? Like it normally happens in any other civilized country?
Could anybody from the north stand?

I didn't receive any form and I don't think any other country does this. TCs were free to go and register like the rest of us. And TCs could be candidates like the rest of us as well.

In fact what TCs wanted for the EU elections is again segregation. They wanted 2 seats (30% of the seats of Cyprus!!) to be given just to them and TCs (and Settlers) to elect 2 MEPs in separate elections.

No, in the UK we get a electoral form every year and we have to fill in details of all the people who live in the household. They also make available a ballot box which is walking distance from where we live so there can be no obstacle for us being able to vote. I though all these were minimum requirements for elections in the eu, no?

Now can you please tell us how much effort roc made to register the citizens in the north for voting and how many ballot boxes were made available. I am not talking about how many were sent over, I am talking about how many were available to transfer across the border.

Answer your second question, no I do not intend to cause any trouble but what is the roc going to do about helping us when the likes of you and GR and and a few other members of the golden dawn are given orders to kill TCs. If a TC complains to the roc justice system, are they going to be referred to as the Turk in the court cases by the officers of the law enforcement and justice. Will they stop taking steps to get key witness to change their stories and such like.

[DT.]

Now can you please tell us how much effort roc made to register the citizens in the north for voting and how many ballot boxes were made available. I am not talking about how many were sent over, I am talking about how many were available to transfer across the border.
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typical TC schizophrenic logic. We demand you make it easy for us to vote in the ROC but send the ballot boxes over the "border" so that we can do it from "our country"

[YFred]

Now can you please tell us how much effort roc made to register the citizens in the north for voting and how many ballot boxes were made available. I am not talking about how many were sent over, I am talking about how many were available to transfer across the border.
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typical TC schizophrenic logic. We demand you make it easy for us to vote in the ROC but send the ballot boxes over the "border" so that we can do it from "our country"

But what about the human rights of the roc citizens who don't have cars? surely they have just as much a right to vote. A ballot box should be within walking distance of the voter. Is that not standard across eu? Bloody hell I forgot roc got in through the back door. How appropriate, Shame.

[DT.]

Now can you please tell us how much effort roc made to register the citizens in the north for voting and how many ballot boxes were made available. I am not talking about how many were sent over, I am talking about how many were available to transfer across the border.
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typical TC schizophrenic logic. We demand you make it easy for us to vote in the ROC but send the ballot boxes over the "border" so that we can do it from "our country"

But what about the human rights of the roc citizens who don't have cars? surely they have just as much a right to vote. A ballot box should be within walking distance of the voter. Is that not standard across eu? Bloody hell I forgot roc got in through the back door. How appropriate, Shame.

We would but we're afraid of getting shot in case one of your mehmetchik poofters mistakes the ballot box for a G3.