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[Piratis]

Do not bother to talk about GR.... He can't even pass from the boarders now...he shits in his pants.....last time he was in north was 2007 since he scares ..... his pants are gets wet when ever he comes so close the boarder and u are taking seriously his treats ......... what a laugh man....

That's a bit below the belt halil, he has previously stated why he doesn't cross over.

do u know him better than me Umit

Halil, what exactly is he scared of?

Maybe Halil threatened GR that he will have his gray wolves friends to kill him? From what I hear Halil threatened many other people.

Personally I have no interest in financing the occupation army or making any "friendships" with those who do not even respect my human and democratic rights.

[YFred]

Do not bother to talk about GR.... He can't even pass from the boarders now...he shits in his pants.....last time he was in north was 2007 since he scares ..... his pants are gets wet when ever he comes so close the boarder and u are taking seriously his treats ......... what a laugh man....

That's a bit below the belt halil, he has previously stated why he doesn't cross over.

do u know him better than me Umit

Halil, what exactly is he scared of?

I don't give out secrets of my friends

it does'nt write in my book such a thing to tell my friends secret in the public forum....u know that Yfred in our Turkish cypriot tradation '' A cup of coffee has got fourty years of memories (or friendship) ''

Come now Halil, it's only a bit of fun We are all friends here. We are going for a pinic one day, you can join us. Plenty coffee there and all that.

[umit07]

Do not bother to talk about GR.... He can't even pass from the boarders now...he shits in his pants.....last time he was in north was 2007 since he scares ..... his pants are gets wet when ever he comes so close the boarder and u are taking seriously his treats ......... what a laugh man....

That's a bit below the belt halil, he has previously stated why he doesn't cross over.

do u know him better than me Umit

I didn't imply that Halil. All I'm saying is that personal matters shouldn't be made part of the debate.

[YFred]

Do not bother to talk about GR.... He can't even pass from the boarders now...he shits in his pants.....last time he was in north was 2007 since he scares ..... his pants are gets wet when ever he comes so close the boarder and u are taking seriously his treats ......... what a laugh man....

That's a bit below the belt halil, he has previously stated why he doesn't cross over.

do u know him better than me Umit

Halil, what exactly is he scared of?

Maybe Halil threatened GR that he will have his gray wolves friends to kill him? From what I hear Halil threatened many other people.

Personally I have no interest in financing the occupation army or making any "friendships" with those who do not even respect my human and democratic rights.

How can you say that when he refuses to divulge why GR is scared. He values his friendship.

We respect your democratic rights piratis, it is the treasonousness that we do not respect. Giving our country away to another country is not part of the our constitution or democratic right.

When you respect the constitution of the roc then we will respect your rights. When you strip part of the constitution without our consent, then we withdraw our support to your rights. It's not really rocket science to work out a compromise so we can live together in peace. Is it?

But when you start talking about not making TC friends because one day you may have to kill them, then you are stripped of all your cypriotness. And I am unanimous in that.

[Nikitas]

There seems to be a divergence growing between the judgements of two important courts, the ECHR on one hand and the ECJ on the other.

The ECHR decided on rights rooted in the European Charter of Human Rights, the ECJ applies EU law.

What the ECHR has decided in these most recent cases is that a person who did not have access to land before 1974, ie because they were not born or were too young, cannot claim loss of enjoyment of their property, one of the human rights protected by the Charter.

The ECJ on the other hand protects the right to property regardless of possession. Property is a fundamental pillar of the EU as a united market in which people can move, own property and reside free of restrictions.

It will be interesting to see how these latest developments play out when the interests of heirs of a refugee are pitted against the "rights" of an illegal purchaser from a third party, ie a TC developer. In such cases it is the ECJ that comes into play, not the ECHR, following a national judgment.

And also keep in mind that the pleadings in this latest case mentioned the right of enjoyment. The case does NOT deal with the validity of otherwise of the TITLE of the land. If the applicants had requested return of their land to a Turkish court, (Turkey is the respondent, not the TRNC) and been refused, and then took their case to the ECHR things would be different.

So do not all be so eager to see this case as a change of the ECHR approach to the issue. Additionally the UN knows the effect of EU aquis on the properties issue and are putting together a new system of dealing with properties, much different from the nonsense proposed by Annan.

[YFred]

There seems to be a divergence growing between the judgements of two important courts, the ECHR on one hand and the ECJ on the other.

The ECHR decided on rights rooted in the European Charter of Human Rights, the ECJ applies EU law.

What the ECHR has decided in these most recent cases is that a person who did not have access to land before 1974, ie because they were not born or were too young, cannot claim loss of enjoyment of their property, one of the human rights protected by the Charter.

The ECJ on the other hand protects the right to property regardless of possession. Property is a fundamental pillar of the EU as a united market in which people can move, own property and reside free of restrictions.

It will be interesting to see how these latest developments play out when the interests of heirs of a refugee are pitted against the "rights" of an illegal purchaser from a third party, ie a TC developer. In such cases it is the ECJ that comes into play, not the ECHR, following a national judgment.

And also keep in mind that the pleadings in this latest case mentioned the right of enjoyment. The case does NOT deal with the validity of otherwise of the TITLE of the land. If the applicants had requested return of their land to a Turkish court, (Turkey is the respondent, not the TRNC) and been refused, and then took their case to the ECHR things would be different.

So do not all be so eager to see this case as a change of the ECHR approach to the issue. Additionally the UN knows the effect of EU aquis on the properties issue and are putting together a new system of dealing with properties, much different from the nonsense proposed by Annan.

No Nikitas, of course there is no change. Things are exactly as they were a year ago, when all the GC on the forum became ecstatic about how this was going to be sorted in the courts.

You know it is a political one. ECJ even if it can will only effect about 5000 cases, what about 245000 cases that remain both GC and TC that is?
Wake up will you and forget the courts, it is the negotiating table that will produce the peace and reconciliation that will be acceptable to majority in both communities.

[Nikitas]

"all the GC on the forum "

Not ALL, if you read my posts you will see that I stressed the difference between winning a case and enforcing it.

[YFred]

Do not bother to talk about GR.... He can't even pass from the boarders now...he shits in his pants.....last time he was in north was 2007 since he scares ..... his pants are gets wet when ever he comes so close the boarder and u are taking seriously his treats ......... what a laugh man....

That's a bit below the belt halil, he has previously stated why he doesn't cross over.

do u know him better than me Umit

I didn't imply that Halil. All I'm saying is that personal matters shouldn't be made part of the debate.

Are we talking before or after DT related incedent?

[Bananiot]

Piratis, you have surpassed yourself with the last post. You must be the only Cypriot that believes that time is on our side. Financing the PKK should be quite interesting, but who will finance us to finance the PKK? Your other assertion that we should not allow Turkey into the EU reminds me of the joke about the ant and the elephant.

P.S. We are incapable of containing 100 football hooligans and Piratis thinks we can play big politics game. Makarios tried this and look where it got us.

[Get Real!]

Lets be honest here - 35 years have been and gone, why have you waited until now?

That’s pretty obvious… to arm ourselves, or were you hoping for another one-sided “war”?

Every single plan put forward has been rejected.

Cyprus is a sovereign UN member not some kind of office for the submission of idiotic and illegal plans.

would this "operation" also cleanse Cyprus of Turkish speaking Cypriots?

Turkish Cypriots are living happily in the unoccupied territory and everything past the roadblock is OCCUPIED territory pending liberation.

...this kind of irrational lunacy would do nothing more than gift the whole of Cyprus to the Turks - forever full stop.

Irrational lunacy is when you travel thousands of miles to invade and occupy sovereign countries like Iraq and Afghanistan (US/UK) but when it comes to liberating your own occupied country reluctance is called COWARDICE.

You clearly do not understand the idea or importance of Air superiority to any action.

This is the TAF we're talking about and not that of the US! In 1974 we shot down 14 of their Super Sabres literally with pop guns and you expect me to worry about them today that we possess state of the art S2A systems that can take on simultaneous multiple targets?

you are advocating a bloodbath of Youth, nothing more

Call it whatever you like… the aim is liberation.