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[DT.]

DT you can live in denial all your life. I know what it said and it upset a lot of patriots accusing it of corruption. This mentality will get us nowhere. Good luck with your application yo the IPC, I wish we had something similar in the south we can apply for.

The patriots that were accussing it for corruption didn't understand it either.

Read it again Yfred. Might be a good idea to take it to that law firm of yours in london so that they can explain it to you.

Only if you accompany me there. I don't feel safe going on my own.

Been there plenty of times..use them often for litigation for one of my companies.

[YFred]

DT you can live in denial all your life. I know what it said and it upset a lot of patriots accusing it of corruption. This mentality will get us nowhere. Good luck with your application yo the IPC, I wish we had something similar in the south we can apply for.

The patriots that were accussing it for corruption didn't understand it either.

Read it again Yfred. Might be a good idea to take it to that law firm of yours in london so that they can explain it to you.

Only if you accompany me there. I don't feel safe going on my own.

Been there plenty of times..use them often for litigation for one of my companies.

But you have to let me know when you are there next. I'll buy you a cup of coffee?

[DT.]

DT you can live in denial all your life. I know what it said and it upset a lot of patriots accusing it of corruption. This mentality will get us nowhere. Good luck with your application yo the IPC, I wish we had something similar in the south we can apply for.

The patriots that were accussing it for corruption didn't understand it either.

Read it again Yfred. Might be a good idea to take it to that law firm of yours in london so that they can explain it to you.

Only if you accompany me there. I don't feel safe going on my own.

Been there plenty of times..use them often for litigation for one of my companies.

But you have to let me know when you are there next. I'll buy you a cup of coffee?

on vacation now...finish next week will be back in london. PM me your number i'll give you a ring.

[YFred]

DT you can live in denial all your life. I know what it said and it upset a lot of patriots accusing it of corruption. This mentality will get us nowhere. Good luck with your application yo the IPC, I wish we had something similar in the south we can apply for.

The patriots that were accussing it for corruption didn't understand it either.

Read it again Yfred. Might be a good idea to take it to that law firm of yours in london so that they can explain it to you.

Only if you accompany me there. I don't feel safe going on my own.

Been there plenty of times..use them often for litigation for one of my companies.

But you have to let me know when you are there next. I'll buy you a cup of coffee?

on vacation now...finish next week will be back in london. PM me your number i'll give you a ring.

No need for that DT, we'll meet at their offices.

[Nikitas]

"Does this mean the UN is now taking the lead - or proposing a new plan? Also, I would be curious what would be considered not "nonsense" from a GC perspective."

If you recall the Annan plan had some complicated way of property settlement which included "certificates" to be given to property owners, which they theoretically would be able to cash in or exchange etc etc.

The UN now is looking for what they call a "market approach" to the properties issue.

What they GC side regards as a starting point are the property rights of the original owner and the free dealing of owners. Presumably those that want to exchange, keep, sell, etc will be able to do so, subject to whatever limitations are agreed to be acceptable, ie land which has been used for public works, or has been developed beyond recognition etc.

My prediction is that a surprising number of TCs will want to retain their land in the south. I may be wrong, but that is one possibility which is being overlooked.

[YFred]

"Does this mean the UN is now taking the lead - or proposing a new plan? Also, I would be curious what would be considered not "nonsense" from a GC perspective."

If you recall the Annan plan had some complicated way of property settlement which included "certificates" to be given to property owners, which they theoretically would be able to cash in or exchange etc etc.

The UN now is looking for what they call a "market approach" to the properties issue.

What they GC side regards as a starting point are the property rights of the original owner and the free dealing of owners. Presumably those that want to exchange, keep, sell, etc will be able to do so, subject to whatever limitations are agreed to be acceptable, ie land which has been used for public works, or has been developed beyond recognition etc.

My prediction is that a surprising number of TCs will want to retain their land in the south. I may be wrong, but that is one possibility which is being overlooked.

Not at all, I have declared that I will never sell my land right from the beginning.

[SKI-preo]

I have a property I never actually lived in as building proved difficult because my parents postponed finishing construction until another project was finished. Does this mean that I have no claim for restitution? I doubt more than $50,000 in napalm was used to ethnic cleanse my village. So is the ECHR saying all I need is $50,000 worth of napalm and 35 years and any property I want becomes mine.If I get "compensation" I should just buy some napalm from ebay.

[B25]

I have a property I never actually lived in as building proved difficult because my parents postponed finishing construction until another project was finished. Does this mean that I have no claim for restitution? I doubt more than $50,000 in napalm was used to ethnic cleanse my village. So is the ECHR saying all I need is $50,000 worth of napalm and 35 years and any property I want becomes mine.If I get "compensation" I should just buy some napalm from ebay.

The ECHR is fucking bent. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. What utter bollocks they come up with. One is prevented from taking up residence by force of arms, and suddenly we lose our absolute rights to our property. Which Fucking human right are the protecting exactly??? Because from where I am standing it is that of the criminal invader. FFS. I wonder what that cost Turkey????

[YFred]

I have a property I never actually lived in as building proved difficult because my parents postponed finishing construction until another project was finished. Does this mean that I have no claim for restitution? I doubt more than $50,000 in napalm was used to ethnic cleanse my village. So is the ECHR saying all I need is $50,000 worth of napalm and 35 years and any property I want becomes mine.If I get "compensation" I should just buy some napalm from ebay.

Speak to DT, he sees a different side to this. No Ski, you are always allowed restitution, it is whether it was a home or not that is in dispute. They have to have some rules otherwise it becomes unworkable as we have seen for the last 35 years
I would be careful with statements like that about buying napalm. One day it may come back to haunt you.

Which village were you from and when was it napalmed if you don't mind me asking?

[Acikgoz]

"Does this mean the UN is now taking the lead - or proposing a new plan? Also, I would be curious what would be considered not "nonsense" from a GC perspective."

If you recall the Annan plan had some complicated way of property settlement which included "certificates" to be given to property owners, which they theoretically would be able to cash in or exchange etc etc.

The UN now is looking for what they call a "market approach" to the properties issue.

What they GC side regards as a starting point are the property rights of the original owner and the free dealing of owners. Presumably those that want to exchange, keep, sell, etc will be able to do so, subject to whatever limitations are agreed to be acceptable, ie land which has been used for public works, or has been developed beyond recognition etc.

My prediction is that a surprising number of TCs will want to retain their land in the south. I may be wrong, but that is one possibility which is being overlooked.

Interesting, moving from a politically managed mechanism for dealing with property to a market lead basis.

I think most would welcome any progress that attempts to address resolving the issue. I have my concerns if left to true market forces as anyone would that sees the desire to "game" markets and prices - a read of Akerlof and Schiller's Animal Spirits would be an example of how free markets without well formed controls can be more damaging than beneficial.Even for big players they can get destabilise themselves and the market or the whole structure.
Please don't get me wrong, in principle I am a free markets person but we all know that game theory plays a role and the resultant situation can often become unmanageable and problematic. So let's hope it is approached from a constructive point of view which will facilitate stability rather than undermine it.
As it stands right now Nikitas, if you believe in free markets, then individuals have an avenue via the IPC in the north for accepting or rejecting the offer for land, if not acceptable then the opportunity to seek evaluation via the ECHR. This is a warped market, but one at least that is providing a measure of value to be presented for the land. Unfortunately the same does not exist yet in the south for TCs.
If the postponement of talks by Christofias today is anything to go by, it would appear we are in for the long wait for anything new and positive to develop.