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Postby Piratis » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:31 pm

edited by erolz to remove parts relating to moderator decision

Advertising of occupied areas is done in order to attract foreigners to help TCs exploit land which in the majority of the cases does not belong to them.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:15 pm

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Advertising of occupied areas is done in order to attract foreigners to help TCs exploit land which in the majority of the cases does not belong to them. edit as above


So should we tell tourists not to use certain beaches or hotels and restaraunts??? Or should we give 82% of revenue generated to the south???or should we not advertise for tourists at all??? and wait for GCs to decide on a solution where they feel they have the upper hand???Will the south give us 18% of their revenue generated by tourism???

How do we get around this one???
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Postby garbitsch » Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:34 pm

So G.Cs should not advertise Hala Sultan Tekke and other monuments that belong to Turkish community. The Europeans should not eat the imported fruit raised in the fields that belong to Turkish Cypriots then. This is ridiculous!
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Postby Piratis » Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:43 pm

How do we get around this one???


Very simple: you give us back everything we own, and you get back what you left behind in order to grab twice as much from us.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:35 pm

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Very simple: you give us back everything we own, and you get back what you left behind in order to grab twice as much from us.


Your materialistic approach is making you irrational, lets set the scene, tomorrow all GC deeds are valid in the TRNC, will all the GCs come back to claim their properties??? can you imagine the mayhem? TCs have always stated that they are more than willing to give back property and Omorfo is a very good example of this fact they always vote for unification knowing that they will be the first to hand back property to GCs and will again become refugees, but this can only be achieved via a comprehensive solution setting out clear guidelines as to how this procedure will take place, so if you want your land back you have to get the leaders around the table and get them to negotiate for it, your constant crying of give back what you took, you took more than your share is not getting us anywhere. The longer the leaders take to get back and negotiate the worse and more complicated the property issue will become and the reality of recognized partition gains even further ground.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:31 pm

I beleive there’s been a big fuss for nothing.In other words banning a vague advertisment that did not have the gutts to say clearly "trnc" or Turkish northern Cyprus or anything similar cannot be banned on legal grounds. All I can say is just let the TCs advertise like that as long as they wish. If I were an unsuspected Briton I would think "what a nice place" next summer I will go to Cyprus. And guess where that unsuspected Briton will end up spending his vocation!
Until some people realise the basic principle of advertisement is NOT to make profit but for MAINTAINING AN IMAGE guess once again which image those ads help maintain the most....

On the legal matter:
But the judge said : "I cannot accept that a prospective holidaymaker would
read the website and understand it to have stated that TRNC has been
recognised by Her Majesty's government as a state having power over North
Cyprus.

I have a feeling the decission will be challenged by GCs if not at UK courts definetely at EU level courts.In my opinion there is a clear Political motive behind the hidden "commercial advertisement". Depends how much the whole matter will escalate.
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Postby erolz » Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:54 pm

MicAtCyp wrote:I have a feeling the decission will be challenged by GCs if not at UK courts definetely at EU level courts.In my opinion there is a clear Political motive behind the hidden "commercial advertisement". Depends how much the whole matter will escalate.


I do not see how GC can challenge this ruling? The ruling was not against GC but against TFL. Surely the only entity that could appeal this decision is TFL? If this is so I think it is extremly unlikely that TFL - as a UK public body spending Londoners money (the vast majority of which have no connection with Cyprus at all) could justify the financial cost to Londoners or stand the political cost of a refusal to just admit it was wrong in the decision it made would entail.

Certainly in the past Ken Livingstone has shown a willingness and ability to use public funds to fight court cases to the fullest extent of every avenue of appeal - but to do so over an issue that affects only the tiniest minority of those funding the public body is in my view not a realistic prediction.
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Postby -mikkie2- » Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:00 pm

On the contrary Erol, affected GC's can take the TfL to court, or they could take the case to the Advertising Standards Authority if the adverts reappear again.
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Postby erolz » Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:18 pm

-mikkie2- wrote:On the contrary Erol, affected GC's can take the TfL to court,


On what basis do you think they could do this?

-mikkie2- wrote:or they could take the case to the Advertising Standards Authority if the adverts reappear again.


Certainly they could do this but this is not really challenging the high court ruling per se but persuing the same objective as the overturned ban had by different avenues. I also strongly suspect that the ASA would not make a ruling that was contrary to a prior high court judgment. Their brief is not to asses legality. Their brief is to ensure that advertisments are 'legal, decent and honest). The determination of if an advert is legal is made by the coiurts not the ASA and in this case the high court has already made such a determination
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Postby MicAtCyp » Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:08 pm

Erol wrote: I do not see how GC can challenge this ruling? The ruling was not against GC but against TFL. Surely the only entity that could appeal this decision is TFL?


The procedure is very simple Erol. A GC sues the TFL.The court automatically turns down the claim of the GC based on previous ruling. The ruling is referred to the EU court.

By the way notice the TCs were always advertising and taking part in tourist exhibitions as part of Turkey’s delegations. It seems it never worth it suing those advertisemnts directly by RoC.The results are already known....
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