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[YFred]

rwarrior, I really didn't get your point "... as for tourism..."

I would't worry too much Ac nobody else does either.

RW that was a joke, just in case you didn't get it.

[repulsewarrior]

Acikgoz, i wonder about the profits, who gets them. i wonder about the advertising, it's focus. it would not surprise me if the attention and dollars spent to lure tourist goes to the hotels where Turkey stands most to gain, and it is hard to believe that the concerted efforts internationally are organised and executed independantly by a Turkish Cypriot authority. it would not surprise me if Turkish Cypriots do not have the same benefit of this budget compared to investors who are solicited and who choose to build on properties whose ownership is unclear.

when tourists buy anything, how much pays for the debt owed to Turkey, how much stays in the hands of Cypriots?

a small population such as the Turkish Cypriots, with a benefactor of 90 million in 35 years have not succeeded in any industry; please don't tell me Greek Cypriots succeeded because there is no "Embargo" on them.

[YFred]

Acikgoz, i wonder about the profits, who gets them. i wonder about the advertising, it's focus. it would not surprise me if the attention and dollars spent to lure tourist goes to the hotels where Turkey stands most to gain. it would not surprise me if Turkish Cypriots do not have the same benifit of this budget compared to investors who chose to build on properties whose ownership is unclear.

when tourist buy anything, how much pays for the debt owed to Turkey, how much stays in the hands of Cypriots?

a small population such as the Turkish Cypriots, with a benefactor of 90 million in 35 years have not succeeded in any industry; please don't tell me Greek Cypriots succeeded because there is no "Embargo" on them.

Do you really believe that the Ambargo had minimal effect. Have you any idea how much it adds to exports and imports into the country. Why do you think GCs fight to maintain it to this day.

Few years ago I looked into transporting a car from UK to Cyprus and the prices I was quoted by the same co were:

GC side = 500 sterling
TC side = 2000 sterling.

Are you for real pretending that embargo has minimal effect. Give us a break RW.

[repulsewarrior]

YFred, it does not defeat my point; shipping through Turkey etc. has nothing to do with productivity. if Turkish Cypriots were treated with real dignity by Turkey, you could afford these expenses because an integration would have taken place with your "motherland" so that their social-economy embraces the results of the "Cypriot Turks" work, rewarding this population under duress from an "aggressor". you live as oppressed people because it suits Turkey. by perceiving yourselves as helpless victims a handout is all you are getting.

beside one island as a Sovereign State the choice for Turkish Cypriots, as it stands, is subjugation.

my wish is to see some activity by activists to encourage the lives of people who truly understand that this island is beautiful because of its living history which up until about fifty years ago thrived.

...but what do i know, i come from a "mixed" village.

[YFred]

YFred, it does not defeat my point; shipping through Turkey etc. has nothing to do with productivity. if Turkish Cypriots were treated with real dignity by Turkey, you could afford these expenses because an integration would have taken place with your "motherland" so that their social-economy embraces the results of the "Cypriot Turks" work, rewarding this population under duress from an "aggressor". you live as oppressed people because it suits Turkey. by perceiving yourselves as helpless victims a handout is all you are getting.

beside one island as a Sovereign State the choice for Turkish Cypriots, as it stands, is subjugation.

my wish is to see some activity by activists to encourage the lives of people who truly understand that this island is beautiful because of its living history which up until about fifty years ago thrived.

...but what do i know, i come from a "mixed" village.

Under these circumstances can you take ambargo so lightly as to the effect it has on trade with the TRNC.

[repulsewarrior]

...by the way did you import your car through Cyprus, or Turkey?

[YFred]

...by the way did you import your car through Cyprus, or Turkey?

Neither. I bought one there.
Importing it in the south was not an option as it had to be registerd in the south and I wanted it registered in the north. This business of trade via south is a smoke screen.

[repulsewarrior]

YFred, it does not defeat my point; shipping through Turkey etc. has nothing to do with productivity. if Turkish Cypriots were treated with real dignity by Turkey, you could afford these expenses because an integration would have taken place with your "motherland" so that their social-economy embraces the results of the "Cypriot Turks" work, rewarding this population under duress from an "aggressor". you live as oppressed people because it suits Turkey. by perceiving yourselves as helpless victims a handout is all you are getting.

beside one island as a Sovereign State the choice for Turkish Cypriots, as it stands, is subjugation.

my wish is to see some activity by activists to encourage the lives of people who truly understand that this island is beautiful because of its living history which up until about fifty years ago thrived.

...but what do i know, i come from a "mixed" village.

Under these circumstances can you take ambargo so lightly as to the effect it has on trade with the TRNC.

i'd like to see a Sovereign State to which every single Cypriot can looktowards in defence of their Rights as Individuals. i'd like to see National Assemblies which represent us as Persons toward providing for our everyday needs.

three governing bodies (at least); bicommunal.

...have you read my manifesto?

[YFred]

YFred, it does not defeat my point; shipping through Turkey etc. has nothing to do with productivity. if Turkish Cypriots were treated with real dignity by Turkey, you could afford these expenses because an integration would have taken place with your "motherland" so that their social-economy embraces the results of the "Cypriot Turks" work, rewarding this population under duress from an "aggressor". you live as oppressed people because it suits Turkey. by perceiving yourselves as helpless victims a handout is all you are getting.

beside one island as a Sovereign State the choice for Turkish Cypriots, as it stands, is subjugation.

my wish is to see some activity by activists to encourage the lives of people who truly understand that this island is beautiful because of its living history which up until about fifty years ago thrived.

...but what do i know, i come from a "mixed" village.

Under these circumstances can you take ambargo so lightly as to the effect it has on trade with the TRNC.

i'd like to see a Sovereign State to which every single Cypriot can looktowards in defence of their Rights as Individuals. i'd like to see National Assemblies which represent us as Persons toward providing for our everyday needs.

three governing bodies (at least); bicommunal.

...have you read my manifesto?

No, but looking at your posts, I have no doubt I would agree with most of it. I will read it one day.

[Acikgoz]

rwarrior, with respect, I believe you would have to agree you are making too many assumptions. Of the hotels, which ones on the advert are owned by Turkish corporations which ones by TCs?
Paying Turkey back, how does this occur? A business pays its taxes beyond that it keeps the residual profit, there is no mystery there.
Having a benefactor - well, you know the old addage, teach me to fish... - TCs said throughout don't give us money give us the opportunity to trade. That is how people learn to fend for themselves. By making us unable to stand on our own two feet you have waltzed us directly into a dependent situation with Turkey, GCs on this forum just cannot grasp that fact. Then they complain as to Turkey's influence....

Maybe GCs are more savvy, smarter etc. than their TC neighbours which is why they have been able to stand on their two feet whilst TCs depend on handouts. Perhaps GCs are more honest, more compliant with western norms than TCs. Hey, perhaps TCs are all thieving lying people that deserve to be suffocated under embargoes.

Maybe, I thought you are an insightful contributor.