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[YFred]

And the efforts of the Turks to de-Hellenize our island continue. Cyprus is a Greek island and that is how it was already when your ancestors came here. If you think your ancestors made the wrong choice and you do not want to live on a Greek island then you can always return to your ancestral lands.

If on the other hand you want to kill and ethnically cleanse us because we do not allow you to change the identity of our island then expect that we will continue to fight back against your aggression and expansionism.

When the Ottomans came, there was no Greek island, only a Venetian one.

And it stayed an Ottoman island for the next 300 years or so! Had it not been for the Ottomans the Venetians (being good catholics) were hell bent on cleaing off anything that was Greek Orthodox on the island!

You are again confusing what Cyprus is with the foreign ruler that occupies it.

The Venetians ruled over several Greek territories and none of those territories had any problem in being liberated and being part of the Greek state. Therefore the long term problem was caused by the Ottomans/Turks and not by the Venetians. The Latin minority today lives peacefully among us and shows respect to the Cypriot people and the identity of our island.

I'd daresay a lot of Latin blood flows throught the veins of many a Cypriot. But ofcourse you only talk of those that retained their faith. Shame really. We are all the same to a very large extent.

What you say now is yet another point in favor of my argument. The Venetian rule didn't cause any long term problems to Cyprus. The Latin population either assimilated or choose to live peacefully with the rest of Cypriots without trying to impose anything in an undemocratic way.

If the TC minority was doing the same then we wouldn't have any problems today. Unfortunately your minority was manipulated and turned against the majority of the population because this division and conflict served the interests of those imperialists who wanted to maintain troops and control over Cyprus against the will of the Cypriot people.

Yet you still call it a Greek island after all the assimilation. We are still ALL Cypriots and proud of it. Some of us speak a sort of Greek, some a variety of Turkish, some Armenian and some Maroniti.

I shall say this only once ; We are all Cypriots. You better get used to it. Especially if you really desire a peace settlement agreeable to all parties. Because of the partitionistas like you and others in the north, we have a divided island.

No Grandad, we have a divided island because of you lot.

You made this trouble, you continue to fuel it and you want whats not yours. Thats the real problem.

Piratis is showing you all the error of your ways, but even if you did agree with him you wouldn't say because you would have to give up what you (not personally you understand) stole.

Way to go Piratis man. Just keep reminding these low lifes.

You too have proved my point. With a mentality like you and Piratis, who would want you two as neighbours. If I would many more TCs wouldnt. If you never wanted that sweet dream of ENOSIS, we would never have this CYProb. Gadalavis?

Deniz, you should have finished with "Galadaves re pushdopezenegui du ameriga"

[Piratis]

Oh it's good to see so many stating Cyprus is NOT Greek, never has been and never will be.

Why on earth don't all those who yearn to be considered 'Greek' simply go and live in Greece and do whatever is necessary to obtain Greek citizenship or waddever?

Vote with their FEET!

Notice with how much passion these foreigners are trying to de-Hellenize our island.

This is our island and these foreigners are telling from us to leave because we don't accept the terms they want to impose on us.

These are own enemies, the same kind of people who came here to enslave our people and exploit our island. These are the enemies of Cyprus and we should never forget this.

[Oracle]

Oh it's good to see so many stating Cyprus is NOT Greek, never has been and never will be.

Why does it make YOU feel so elated?

You are either a paid propagandist or a Turk!

No one else would care so passionately about this matter!

[Piratis]

And the efforts of the Turks to de-Hellenize our island continue. Cyprus is a Greek island and that is how it was already when your ancestors came here. If you think your ancestors made the wrong choice and you do not want to live on a Greek island then you can always return to your ancestral lands.

If on the other hand you want to kill and ethnically cleanse us because we do not allow you to change the identity of our island then expect that we will continue to fight back against your aggression and expansionism.

When the Ottomans came, there was no Greek island, only a Venetian one.

And it stayed an Ottoman island for the next 300 years or so! Had it not been for the Ottomans the Venetians (being good catholics) were hell bent on cleaing off anything that was Greek Orthodox on the island!

You are again confusing what Cyprus is with the foreign ruler that occupies it.

The Venetians ruled over several Greek territories and none of those territories had any problem in being liberated and being part of the Greek state. Therefore the long term problem was caused by the Ottomans/Turks and not by the Venetians. The Latin minority today lives peacefully among us and shows respect to the Cypriot people and the identity of our island.

I'd daresay a lot of Latin blood flows throught the veins of many a Cypriot. But ofcourse you only talk of those that retained their faith. Shame really. We are all the same to a very large extent.

What you say now is yet another point in favor of my argument. The Venetian rule didn't cause any long term problems to Cyprus. The Latin population either assimilated or choose to live peacefully with the rest of Cypriots without trying to impose anything in an undemocratic way.

If the TC minority was doing the same then we wouldn't have any problems today. Unfortunately your minority was manipulated and turned against the majority of the population because this division and conflict served the interests of those imperialists who wanted to maintain troops and control over Cyprus against the will of the Cypriot people.

Yet you still call it a Greek island after all the assimilation. We are still ALL Cypriots and proud of it. Some of us speak a sort of Greek, some a variety of Turkish, some Armenian and some Maroniti.

I shall say this only once ; We are all Cypriots. You better get used to it. Especially if you really desire a peace settlement agreeable to all parties. Because of the partitionistas like you and others in the north, we have a divided island.

And in Turkey there was no assimilation? It's population doesn't even look Asian, as the original Turks were. This doesn't stop them from calling their country Turkey, does it?

Assimilation and mixing of population happens everywhere. There is nothing unique in Cyprus about this.

The important thing is for Cypriots to be free to democratically decide what they want for their own island. If independence (a true one, not the fake they gave us in 1960) and the creation of a "Cypriot ethnicity" is what is desired (not merely accepted after being blackmailed) by the majority of the Cypriot people then I will fully respect the democratic decision of the Cypriot people.

Can you do the same? Or you want to impose your own will even if the vast majority of Cypriots would disagree with you?

If what you want is for the good of all Cypriots then you have nothing to worry about as most Cypriots will obviously choose what is good for their own interests. But when what is on offer is some pseudo independence, with foreign troops, foreign bases, segregation and racist discrimination on our expense then I don't think many Cypriots would agree that this is what they want for their island.

[Oracle]

" ... democracy is seen as the greatest gift that can be bestowed on another country, and it's an ideal worth fighting and dying for ...."

BBC

[YFred]

" ... democracy is seen as the greatest gift that can be bestowed on another country, and it's an ideal worth fighting and dying for ...."

BBC

I seeeeeeeee, so you decided to bestow it to Greece. On your bike.

[denizaksulu]

And the efforts of the Turks to de-Hellenize our island continue. Cyprus is a Greek island and that is how it was already when your ancestors came here. If you think your ancestors made the wrong choice and you do not want to live on a Greek island then you can always return to your ancestral lands.

If on the other hand you want to kill and ethnically cleanse us because we do not allow you to change the identity of our island then expect that we will continue to fight back against your aggression and expansionism.

When the Ottomans came, there was no Greek island, only a Venetian one.

And it stayed an Ottoman island for the next 300 years or so! Had it not been for the Ottomans the Venetians (being good catholics) were hell bent on cleaing off anything that was Greek Orthodox on the island!

You are again confusing what Cyprus is with the foreign ruler that occupies it.

The Venetians ruled over several Greek territories and none of those territories had any problem in being liberated and being part of the Greek state. Therefore the long term problem was caused by the Ottomans/Turks and not by the Venetians. The Latin minority today lives peacefully among us and shows respect to the Cypriot people and the identity of our island.

I'd daresay a lot of Latin blood flows throught the veins of many a Cypriot. But ofcourse you only talk of those that retained their faith. Shame really. We are all the same to a very large extent.

What you say now is yet another point in favor of my argument. The Venetian rule didn't cause any long term problems to Cyprus. The Latin population either assimilated or choose to live peacefully with the rest of Cypriots without trying to impose anything in an undemocratic way.

If the TC minority was doing the same then we wouldn't have any problems today. Unfortunately your minority was manipulated and turned against the majority of the population because this division and conflict served the interests of those imperialists who wanted to maintain troops and control over Cyprus against the will of the Cypriot people.

Yet you still call it a Greek island after all the assimilation. We are still ALL Cypriots and proud of it. Some of us speak a sort of Greek, some a variety of Turkish, some Armenian and some Maroniti.

I shall say this only once ; We are all Cypriots. You better get used to it. Especially if you really desire a peace settlement agreeable to all parties. Because of the partitionistas like you and others in the north, we have a divided island.

No Grandad, we have a divided island because of you lot.

You made this trouble, you continue to fuel it and you want whats not yours. Thats the real problem.

Piratis is showing you all the error of your ways, but even if you did agree with him you wouldn't say because you would have to give up what you (not personally you understand) stole.

Way to go Piratis man. Just keep reminding these low lifes.

You too have proved my point. With a mentality like you and Piratis, who would want you two as neighbours. If I would many more TCs wouldnt. If you never wanted that sweet dream of ENOSIS, we would never have this CYProb. Gadalavis?

Deniz, you should have finished with "Galadaves re pushdopezenegui du ameriga"

I will leave the niceties of the CF to you Y-Fred. Thats your department.

[denizaksulu]

And the efforts of the Turks to de-Hellenize our island continue. Cyprus is a Greek island and that is how it was already when your ancestors came here. If you think your ancestors made the wrong choice and you do not want to live on a Greek island then you can always return to your ancestral lands.

If on the other hand you want to kill and ethnically cleanse us because we do not allow you to change the identity of our island then expect that we will continue to fight back against your aggression and expansionism.

When the Ottomans came, there was no Greek island, only a Venetian one.

And it stayed an Ottoman island for the next 300 years or so! Had it not been for the Ottomans the Venetians (being good catholics) were hell bent on cleaing off anything that was Greek Orthodox on the island!

You are again confusing what Cyprus is with the foreign ruler that occupies it.

The Venetians ruled over several Greek territories and none of those territories had any problem in being liberated and being part of the Greek state. Therefore the long term problem was caused by the Ottomans/Turks and not by the Venetians. The Latin minority today lives peacefully among us and shows respect to the Cypriot people and the identity of our island.

I'd daresay a lot of Latin blood flows throught the veins of many a Cypriot. But ofcourse you only talk of those that retained their faith. Shame really. We are all the same to a very large extent.

What you say now is yet another point in favor of my argument. The Venetian rule didn't cause any long term problems to Cyprus. The Latin population either assimilated or choose to live peacefully with the rest of Cypriots without trying to impose anything in an undemocratic way.

If the TC minority was doing the same then we wouldn't have any problems today. Unfortunately your minority was manipulated and turned against the majority of the population because this division and conflict served the interests of those imperialists who wanted to maintain troops and control over Cyprus against the will of the Cypriot people.

Yet you still call it a Greek island after all the assimilation. We are still ALL Cypriots and proud of it. Some of us speak a sort of Greek, some a variety of Turkish, some Armenian and some Maroniti.

I shall say this only once ; We are all Cypriots. You better get used to it. Especially if you really desire a peace settlement agreeable to all parties. Because of the partitionistas like you and others in the north, we have a divided island.

And in Turkey there was no assimilation? It's population doesn't even look Asian, as the original Turks were. This doesn't stop them from calling their country Turkey, does it?

Assimilation and mixing of population happens everywhere. There is nothing unique in Cyprus about this.

The important thing is for Cypriots to be free to democratically decide what they want for their own island. If independence (a true one, not the fake they gave us in 1960) and the creation of a "Cypriot ethnicity" is what is desired (not merely accepted after being blackmailed) by the majority of the Cypriot people then I will fully respect the democratic decision of the Cypriot people.

Can you do the same? Or you want to impose your own will even if the vast majority of Cypriots would disagree with you?

If what you want is for the good of all Cypriots then you have nothing to worry about as most Cypriots will obviously choose what is good for their own interests. But when what is on offer is some pseudo independence, with foreign troops, foreign bases, segregation and racist discrimination on our expense then I don't think many Cypriots would agree that this is what they want for their island.

Dont be silly Piratis. I have often stated to Runaway that Turkey has assimilated many other nationalities from all over the Balkans and the middle east to form the 'pure'Turkish race. Next time take note of what I write and dont be so puerile.

[YFred]

And the efforts of the Turks to de-Hellenize our island continue. Cyprus is a Greek island and that is how it was already when your ancestors came here. If you think your ancestors made the wrong choice and you do not want to live on a Greek island then you can always return to your ancestral lands.

If on the other hand you want to kill and ethnically cleanse us because we do not allow you to change the identity of our island then expect that we will continue to fight back against your aggression and expansionism.

When the Ottomans came, there was no Greek island, only a Venetian one.

And it stayed an Ottoman island for the next 300 years or so! Had it not been for the Ottomans the Venetians (being good catholics) were hell bent on cleaing off anything that was Greek Orthodox on the island!

You are again confusing what Cyprus is with the foreign ruler that occupies it.

The Venetians ruled over several Greek territories and none of those territories had any problem in being liberated and being part of the Greek state. Therefore the long term problem was caused by the Ottomans/Turks and not by the Venetians. The Latin minority today lives peacefully among us and shows respect to the Cypriot people and the identity of our island.

I'd daresay a lot of Latin blood flows throught the veins of many a Cypriot. But ofcourse you only talk of those that retained their faith. Shame really. We are all the same to a very large extent.

What you say now is yet another point in favor of my argument. The Venetian rule didn't cause any long term problems to Cyprus. The Latin population either assimilated or choose to live peacefully with the rest of Cypriots without trying to impose anything in an undemocratic way.

If the TC minority was doing the same then we wouldn't have any problems today. Unfortunately your minority was manipulated and turned against the majority of the population because this division and conflict served the interests of those imperialists who wanted to maintain troops and control over Cyprus against the will of the Cypriot people.

Yet you still call it a Greek island after all the assimilation. We are still ALL Cypriots and proud of it. Some of us speak a sort of Greek, some a variety of Turkish, some Armenian and some Maroniti.

I shall say this only once ; We are all Cypriots. You better get used to it. Especially if you really desire a peace settlement agreeable to all parties. Because of the partitionistas like you and others in the north, we have a divided island.

No Grandad, we have a divided island because of you lot.

You made this trouble, you continue to fuel it and you want whats not yours. Thats the real problem.

Piratis is showing you all the error of your ways, but even if you did agree with him you wouldn't say because you would have to give up what you (not personally you understand) stole.

Way to go Piratis man. Just keep reminding these low lifes.

You too have proved my point. With a mentality like you and Piratis, who would want you two as neighbours. If I would many more TCs wouldnt. If you never wanted that sweet dream of ENOSIS, we would never have this CYProb. Gadalavis?

Deniz, you should have finished with "Galadaves re pushdopezenegui du ameriga"

I will leave the niceties of the CF to you Y-Fred. Thats your department.

Well I am mighty pleased that at least one member of this forum recognises my potential.
Efgaristo re gumbare je horgadimu.

[denizaksulu]

And the efforts of the Turks to de-Hellenize our island continue. Cyprus is a Greek island and that is how it was already when your ancestors came here. If you think your ancestors made the wrong choice and you do not want to live on a Greek island then you can always return to your ancestral lands.

If on the other hand you want to kill and ethnically cleanse us because we do not allow you to change the identity of our island then expect that we will continue to fight back against your aggression and expansionism.

When the Ottomans came, there was no Greek island, only a Venetian one.

And it stayed an Ottoman island for the next 300 years or so! Had it not been for the Ottomans the Venetians (being good catholics) were hell bent on cleaing off anything that was Greek Orthodox on the island!

You are again confusing what Cyprus is with the foreign ruler that occupies it.

The Venetians ruled over several Greek territories and none of those territories had any problem in being liberated and being part of the Greek state. Therefore the long term problem was caused by the Ottomans/Turks and not by the Venetians. The Latin minority today lives peacefully among us and shows respect to the Cypriot people and the identity of our island.

I'd daresay a lot of Latin blood flows throught the veins of many a Cypriot. But ofcourse you only talk of those that retained their faith. Shame really. We are all the same to a very large extent.

What you say now is yet another point in favor of my argument. The Venetian rule didn't cause any long term problems to Cyprus. The Latin population either assimilated or choose to live peacefully with the rest of Cypriots without trying to impose anything in an undemocratic way.

If the TC minority was doing the same then we wouldn't have any problems today. Unfortunately your minority was manipulated and turned against the majority of the population because this division and conflict served the interests of those imperialists who wanted to maintain troops and control over Cyprus against the will of the Cypriot people.

Yet you still call it a Greek island after all the assimilation. We are still ALL Cypriots and proud of it. Some of us speak a sort of Greek, some a variety of Turkish, some Armenian and some Maroniti.

I shall say this only once ; We are all Cypriots. You better get used to it. Especially if you really desire a peace settlement agreeable to all parties. Because of the partitionistas like you and others in the north, we have a divided island.

And in Turkey there was no assimilation? It's population doesn't even look Asian, as the original Turks were. This doesn't stop them from calling their country Turkey, does it?

Assimilation and mixing of population happens everywhere. There is nothing unique in Cyprus about this.

The important thing is for Cypriots to be free to democratically decide what they want for their own island. If independence (a true one, not the fake they gave us in 1960) and the creation of a "Cypriot ethnicity" is what is desired (not merely accepted after being blackmailed) by the majority of the Cypriot people then I will fully respect the democratic decision of the Cypriot people.

Can you do the same? Or you want to impose your own will even if the vast majority of Cypriots would disagree with you?

If what you want is for the good of all Cypriots then you have nothing to worry about as most Cypriots will obviously choose what is good for their own interests. But when what is on offer is some pseudo independence, with foreign troops, foreign bases, segregation and racist discrimination on our expense then I don't think many Cypriots would agree that this is what they want for their island.

Piratis, most of Cypriots believe in what I believe. If people like you and one or two others got their act together, that figure would rise to 80% +/_ 10. Get it?