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Postby denizaksulu » Tue May 25, 2010 4:17 pm

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We were and continue to be Greek by our own free will because this is what our true identity is.


What a shame that your beloved 'Greeks' don't seem to share your views. You only have to visit 'Greek' forums to discover that. But then I guess that's why you stick to this 'Cypriot' one.

Some of what they say about GCs is not fit to put on the forum (even this forum!)


Those people are only a small minority. Some Cypriots are like that also.

Some Greek Cypriots think that by pushing the rest of Greeks away they will befriend the TCs and this way will help the solution of the Cyprus problem.

Unfortunately they are very wrong. What most TCs care about are the privileges, the power and the land that they can get on our expense by collaborating with foreign Imperialists. Beyond that if instead of an ethnic minority they would instead be a religious or linguistic minority, it really would make no difference to them and their demands.

So such kind of thinking by some GCs not only it does not make any difference in convincing the TCs to accept democracy and human rights for all, but the only effect that it has is to push away the rest of Greeks and help isolate Cyprus, which is exactly what the Turks are aiming for. The more isolated Cyprus is, the weaker Cyprus is, and the easier it is for the Turks to impose their will and their control over our island.



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Postby Paphitis » Tue May 25, 2010 5:40 pm

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Gasman wrote:It's never been a Greek island either. Greece is another country. You need your passport to visit there.

I bet there are a good few Cypriots now who are heaving great sighs of relief that Cyprus was never 'annexed to Greece'. Otherwise they'd now be subjected to the same swingeing and humiliating AUSTERITY measures that the Greeks are!

Maybe those who believe so strongly that they 'are Greek' should show solidarity with their imagined country of origin by offering to give up as much as the average Greek is going to have to. A sort of 'period of lent'!

What's to stop them flying over there and standing shoulder to shoulder with their admired Greek demonstrators, strikers and rioters? What better way to prove just how 'GREEK' you are?


Cyprus has been a Greek island for 1000s of years. Unless you will now claim that there was nothing Greek until the creation of the modern Greek state in the 19th century.

The only reason that Cyprus is a separate country is because this has been imposed on us. What you can not do is force us to change the identity of our island.


Agreed!

Gassman is not a Cypriot citizen and needs to understand that her opinions about our identity are just that. Our identity should not be any of her concern, it is a matter for Cypriots and she is not a Cypriot and so her opinion is irrelevant.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue May 25, 2010 5:42 pm

Nikitas wrote:I am half Greek and half Cypriot, and I choose to call myself Cypriot because that is being Greek plus. It took me many years to realise what Gerald Durrell meant when he had written "Cyprus is the most Greek of all the Greek islands". And for the same reasons I have questioned the idea of Enosis. If there is any Hellenic ideal behind Enosis then it is Greece that should be asking to be united to Cyprus and not the other way round.

Now I will wait for the mainland Greeks who visit the forum to have a go.


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Postby EPSILON » Tue May 25, 2010 6:23 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Gasman wrote:It's never been a Greek island either. Greece is another country. You need your passport to visit there.

I bet there are a good few Cypriots now who are heaving great sighs of relief that Cyprus was never 'annexed to Greece'. Otherwise they'd now be subjected to the same swingeing and humiliating AUSTERITY measures that the Greeks are!

Maybe those who believe so strongly that they 'are Greek' should show solidarity with their imagined country of origin by offering to give up as much as the average Greek is going to have to. A sort of 'period of lent'!

What's to stop them flying over there and standing shoulder to shoulder with their admired Greek demonstrators, strikers and rioters? What better way to prove just how 'GREEK' you are?


Cyprus has been a Greek island for 1000s of years. Unless you will now claim that there was nothing Greek until the creation of the modern Greek state in the 19th century.

The only reason that Cyprus is a separate country is because this has been imposed on us. What you can not do is force us to change the identity of our island.



I'd change that to, Cyprus has had strong Greek influence on its language and religion'. Thats all. You have NEVER been ruled by Athens but Constantiniyye, YES. So I will accept, Byzantine rule( ashort period) and NOT Greek rule. That is a fact you cannot deny. Now get over it.


What you can not understand is that what you are stating abv is supporting our position-we are not Greeks because an invasion army came here and pushed us to be so but we are Greeks for the simple reason we born as such.

this is the great difference between T/cs and G/cs -we are the habitans of this Island and it happens to be Greeks-Al others -you are foreigners- To be a Greek you musty not be a Republic of Greec e citizen-you are Greek because you are so.This simple thing seems to be very difficult even for some G/cs to understand
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Postby BOF » Tue May 25, 2010 6:38 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Gasman wrote:It's never been a Greek island either. Greece is another country. You need your passport to visit there.

I bet there are a good few Cypriots now who are heaving great sighs of relief that Cyprus was never 'annexed to Greece'. Otherwise they'd now be subjected to the same swingeing and humiliating AUSTERITY measures that the Greeks are!

Maybe those who believe so strongly that they 'are Greek' should show solidarity with their imagined country of origin by offering to give up as much as the average Greek is going to have to. A sort of 'period of lent'!

What's to stop them flying over there and standing shoulder to shoulder with their admired Greek demonstrators, strikers and rioters? What better way to prove just how 'GREEK' you are?


Cyprus has been a Greek island for 1000s of years. Unless you will now claim that there was nothing Greek until the creation of the modern Greek state in the 19th century.

The only reason that Cyprus is a separate country is because this has been imposed on us. What you can not do is force us to change the identity of our island.


Agreed!

Gassman is not a Cypriot citizen and needs to understand that her opinions about our identity are just that. Our identity should not be any of her concern, it is a matter for Cypriots and she is not a Cypriot and so her opinion is irrelevant.

Sod off your Hitites first and foremost........
And so much for winning the 20 20 cricket pseudo aussie :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Tue May 25, 2010 6:42 pm

Nikitas wrote:I am half Greek and half Cypriot, and I choose to call myself Cypriot because that is being Greek plus. It took me many years to realise what Gerald Durrell meant when he had written "Cyprus is the most Greek of all the Greek islands". And for the same reasons I have questioned the idea of Enosis. If there is any Hellenic ideal behind Enosis then it is Greece that should be asking to be united to Cyprus and not the other way round.

Now I will wait for the mainland Greeks who visit the forum to have a go.


Nikitas, I don't think the mainland Greeks view the Cypriots as any less Greek. Maybe it's your Greek half which allows you to feel comfortably more Greek because of the Cypriot half. Greeks recognise just how Greek the GCs are.

It's only those GCs who have been brainwashed into neutralising their Greekness, to satisfy the Turks, who have a 'problem' with a Greek identity (and most of those would say otherwise in private). So although some GCs exist who (publicly) deny their Greekness, you will never find a mainland Greek who denies the Greekness of Cypriots other than denigrating their characteristic of denying being Greek.

However, I think there has been a greater unity between GCs and mainland Greeks, especially since 1974, and more recently a further concentration of togetherness since joining the EU.

Decades ago, I used to be teased in my village for being half Greek, but now a lot of my villagers are married to mainland Greeks or living and working in Greece. It takes them less than two years to sound like "Kalamarades" (and my village has one of the strongest Cypriot Greek accents you are ever likely to hear) :D
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Postby Get Real! » Tue May 25, 2010 9:50 pm

Piratis wrote:Cyprus has been a Greek island for 1000s of years. Unless you will now claim that there was nothing Greek until the creation of the modern Greek state in the 19th century.

The only reason that Cyprus is a separate country is because this has been imposed on us. What you can not do is force us to change the identity of our island.

:roll: Greece rejected the acquisition of Cyprus on two occasions in the 19th century because Greek politicians knew that the notion that Mycenaeans came here in 1500BC was a load of baloney invented by their grandparents 100 years earlier! :lol:
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Postby Gasman » Tue May 25, 2010 10:11 pm

it is a matter for Cypriots and she is not a Cypriot and so her opinion is irrelevant


But my point is that hardly anyone here SEES THEMSELVES as CYPRIOT!

They cling to Greece. But the Greeks do not seem to have the same love of all things GC that these GCs have of all things Greek!

And ... what have they ever done for you?

And ... where are they calling for Cyprus to become part of Greece now?

And ... considering the well publicised huge amounts they spend on arming themselves - why haven't they tried to 'liberate' you from your oppressors?

Oracle calls on the EU to annihilate the Turks and banish them from Cyprus. Was she calling on GREECE before Cyprus joined the EU to do the same job? I think not. And would they have responded? I think not.

As I said before - why aren't all you that are convinced you are GREEK over there now rallying to the GREEK CAUSE. Instead of comfortably isolated from the effects of the Austerity measures and their humiliation in either Cyprus or the UK?

You ain't Greek unless one of your parents is or was. And Cyprus is NOT one of the Greek Islands.

Look on a map. Try insisting on visiting Greece without a passport (you'd stand about as much chance as you would of visiting the northern part of your own island).
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Postby Oracle » Tue May 25, 2010 10:43 pm

Why persist in proving to us what a simpleton you are!

How much are the Turks, you keep visiting in the "trnc", paying you to spam this site with their messages?

No other fanatic, since EXPATKIWI, was quite so determined to spam us with Turkish propaganda.
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Postby SpartanGamer » Tue May 25, 2010 10:47 pm

If you were a farmer and the neighbouring farmer stole your cabbage patch, you would rightfully try to get it back.

Imagine Cyprus is a cabbage patch and Tur... Asia Minor is the neighbour farmer, who just stole part of our cabbage patch. I think that we should strike back and claim our cabbage patch!
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