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[Piratis]

And the efforts of the Turks to de-Hellenize our island continue. Cyprus is a Greek island and that is how it was already when your ancestors came here. If you think your ancestors made the wrong choice and you do not want to live on a Greek island then you can always return to your ancestral lands.

If on the other hand you want to kill and ethnically cleanse us because we do not allow you to change the identity of our island then expect that we will continue to fight back against your aggression and expansionism.

When the Ottomans came, there was no Greek island, only a Venetian one.

And it stayed an Ottoman island for the next 300 years or so! Had it not been for the Ottomans the Venetians (being good catholics) were hell bent on cleaing off anything that was Greek Orthodox on the island!

You are again confusing what Cyprus is with the foreign ruler that occupies it.

The Venetians ruled over several Greek territories and none of those territories had any problem in being liberated and being part of the Greek state. Therefore the long term problem was caused by the Ottomans/Turks and not by the Venetians. The Latin minority today lives peacefully among us and shows respect to the Cypriot people and the identity of our island.

I'd daresay a lot of Latin blood flows throught the veins of many a Cypriot. But ofcourse you only talk of those that retained their faith. Shame really. We are all the same to a very large extent.

What you say now is yet another point in favor of my argument. The Venetian rule didn't cause any long term problems to Cyprus. The Latin population either assimilated or choose to live peacefully with the rest of Cypriots without trying to impose anything in an undemocratic way.

If the TC minority was doing the same then we wouldn't have any problems today. Unfortunately your minority was manipulated and turned against the majority of the population because this division and conflict served the interests of those imperialists who wanted to maintain troops and control over Cyprus against the will of the Cypriot people.

Yet you still call it a Greek island after all the assimilation. We are still ALL Cypriots and proud of it. Some of us speak a sort of Greek, some a variety of Turkish, some Armenian and some Maroniti.

I shall say this only once ; We are all Cypriots. You better get used to it. Especially if you really desire a peace settlement agreeable to all parties. Because of the partitionistas like you and others in the north, we have a divided island.

And in Turkey there was no assimilation? It's population doesn't even look Asian, as the original Turks were. This doesn't stop them from calling their country Turkey, does it?

Assimilation and mixing of population happens everywhere. There is nothing unique in Cyprus about this.

The important thing is for Cypriots to be free to democratically decide what they want for their own island. If independence (a true one, not the fake they gave us in 1960) and the creation of a "Cypriot ethnicity" is what is desired (not merely accepted after being blackmailed) by the majority of the Cypriot people then I will fully respect the democratic decision of the Cypriot people.

Can you do the same? Or you want to impose your own will even if the vast majority of Cypriots would disagree with you?

If what you want is for the good of all Cypriots then you have nothing to worry about as most Cypriots will obviously choose what is good for their own interests. But when what is on offer is some pseudo independence, with foreign troops, foreign bases, segregation and racist discrimination on our expense then I don't think many Cypriots would agree that this is what they want for their island.

Dont be silly Piratis. I have often stated to Runaway that Turkey has assimilated many other nationalities from all over the Balkans and the middle east to form the 'pure'Turkish race. Next time take note of what I write and dont be so puerile.

So would you suggest to rename Turkey to something else and to stop calling that territory Turkish?

The word Turkey or to be more precise Turqiou (my French is none existent) was coined by the French. Anyway, they decided to keep the name its up to them what they call it.

Cant you for once concentrate on Cyprus? You are full of red herrings!!

I have nothing to do with Turkey nor should Cyprus have too, but for people like you.

When you say "its up to them what they call it" to whom are you referring to? I am sure the Greek minority who lives in what is now called "Turkey" didn't choose for their homeland to have such a name. Obviously this was a choice of the Turks, and aparently they didn't need to ask for the aproval of each ethnic group separately.

What I am asking is the same for Cyprus. It should be up to the Cypriot people to freely and democratically decide (without force and blackmail) what their island is and where it should belong.

When you respect this right of the Cypriot people then we can discuss in a democratic and free dialog the options for our island and be certain that I personally would not choose union with Greece if the option for a a truly free and truly democratic Cyprus is available (not the crap they imposed on us in 1960). I believe that most Cypriots would do the same. At the same time I am willing to accept nothing which is imposed on my people by means of brute force and blackmail. It is a matter of principle.

[denizaksulu]

And the efforts of the Turks to de-Hellenize our island continue. Cyprus is a Greek island and that is how it was already when your ancestors came here. If you think your ancestors made the wrong choice and you do not want to live on a Greek island then you can always return to your ancestral lands.

If on the other hand you want to kill and ethnically cleanse us because we do not allow you to change the identity of our island then expect that we will continue to fight back against your aggression and expansionism.

When the Ottomans came, there was no Greek island, only a Venetian one.

And it stayed an Ottoman island for the next 300 years or so! Had it not been for the Ottomans the Venetians (being good catholics) were hell bent on cleaing off anything that was Greek Orthodox on the island!

You are again confusing what Cyprus is with the foreign ruler that occupies it.

The Venetians ruled over several Greek territories and none of those territories had any problem in being liberated and being part of the Greek state. Therefore the long term problem was caused by the Ottomans/Turks and not by the Venetians. The Latin minority today lives peacefully among us and shows respect to the Cypriot people and the identity of our island.

I'd daresay a lot of Latin blood flows throught the veins of many a Cypriot. But ofcourse you only talk of those that retained their faith. Shame really. We are all the same to a very large extent.

What you say now is yet another point in favor of my argument. The Venetian rule didn't cause any long term problems to Cyprus. The Latin population either assimilated or choose to live peacefully with the rest of Cypriots without trying to impose anything in an undemocratic way.

If the TC minority was doing the same then we wouldn't have any problems today. Unfortunately your minority was manipulated and turned against the majority of the population because this division and conflict served the interests of those imperialists who wanted to maintain troops and control over Cyprus against the will of the Cypriot people.

Yet you still call it a Greek island after all the assimilation. We are still ALL Cypriots and proud of it. Some of us speak a sort of Greek, some a variety of Turkish, some Armenian and some Maroniti.

I shall say this only once ; We are all Cypriots. You better get used to it. Especially if you really desire a peace settlement agreeable to all parties. Because of the partitionistas like you and others in the north, we have a divided island.

And in Turkey there was no assimilation? It's population doesn't even look Asian, as the original Turks were. This doesn't stop them from calling their country Turkey, does it?

Assimilation and mixing of population happens everywhere. There is nothing unique in Cyprus about this.

The important thing is for Cypriots to be free to democratically decide what they want for their own island. If independence (a true one, not the fake they gave us in 1960) and the creation of a "Cypriot ethnicity" is what is desired (not merely accepted after being blackmailed) by the majority of the Cypriot people then I will fully respect the democratic decision of the Cypriot people.

Can you do the same? Or you want to impose your own will even if the vast majority of Cypriots would disagree with you?

If what you want is for the good of all Cypriots then you have nothing to worry about as most Cypriots will obviously choose what is good for their own interests. But when what is on offer is some pseudo independence, with foreign troops, foreign bases, segregation and racist discrimination on our expense then I don't think many Cypriots would agree that this is what they want for their island.

Dont be silly Piratis. I have often stated to Runaway that Turkey has assimilated many other nationalities from all over the Balkans and the middle east to form the 'pure'Turkish race. Next time take note of what I write and dont be so puerile.

So would you suggest to rename Turkey to something else and to stop calling that territory Turkish?

The word Turkey or to be more precise Turqiou (my French is none existent) was coined by the French. Anyway, they decided to keep the name its up to them what they call it.

Cant you for once concentrate on Cyprus? You are full of red herrings!!

I have nothing to do with Turkey nor should Cyprus have too, but for people like you.

When you say "its up to them what they call it" to whom are you referring to? I am sure the Greek minority who lives in what is now called "Turkey" didn't choose for their homeland to have such a name. Obviously this was a choice of the Turks, and aparently they didn't need to ask for the aproval of each ethnic group separately.

What I am asking is the same for Cyprus. It should be up to the Cypriot people to freely and democratically decide (without force and blackmail) what their island is and where it should belong.

When you respect this right of the Cypriot people then we can discuss in a democratic and free dialog the options for our island and be certain that I personally would not choose union with Greece if the option for a a truly free and truly democratic Cyprus is available (not the crap they imposed on us in 1960). I believe that most Cypriots would do the same. At the same time I am willing to accept nothing which is imposed on my people by means of brute force and blackmail. It is a matter of principle.

OK, I give up, but not before I say that you want to visit upon us what Turkey has done to the Greeks of Anatolia. That makes you on par with Turkey, so stop being a headache Piratis and Co.

[Gasman]

It should be up to the Cypriot people to freely and democratically decide (without force and blackmail) what their island is and where it should belong.

And I doubt many would now want to 'belong' to Greece! They'd be subjected to the dreaded 'Austerity Measures'.

Tho' it is probably the case that for the first time, Greece would now not mind 'owning' Cyprus!

[Piratis]

And the efforts of the Turks to de-Hellenize our island continue. Cyprus is a Greek island and that is how it was already when your ancestors came here. If you think your ancestors made the wrong choice and you do not want to live on a Greek island then you can always return to your ancestral lands.

If on the other hand you want to kill and ethnically cleanse us because we do not allow you to change the identity of our island then expect that we will continue to fight back against your aggression and expansionism.

When the Ottomans came, there was no Greek island, only a Venetian one.

And it stayed an Ottoman island for the next 300 years or so! Had it not been for the Ottomans the Venetians (being good catholics) were hell bent on cleaing off anything that was Greek Orthodox on the island!

You are again confusing what Cyprus is with the foreign ruler that occupies it.

The Venetians ruled over several Greek territories and none of those territories had any problem in being liberated and being part of the Greek state. Therefore the long term problem was caused by the Ottomans/Turks and not by the Venetians. The Latin minority today lives peacefully among us and shows respect to the Cypriot people and the identity of our island.

I'd daresay a lot of Latin blood flows throught the veins of many a Cypriot. But ofcourse you only talk of those that retained their faith. Shame really. We are all the same to a very large extent.

What you say now is yet another point in favor of my argument. The Venetian rule didn't cause any long term problems to Cyprus. The Latin population either assimilated or choose to live peacefully with the rest of Cypriots without trying to impose anything in an undemocratic way.

If the TC minority was doing the same then we wouldn't have any problems today. Unfortunately your minority was manipulated and turned against the majority of the population because this division and conflict served the interests of those imperialists who wanted to maintain troops and control over Cyprus against the will of the Cypriot people.

Yet you still call it a Greek island after all the assimilation. We are still ALL Cypriots and proud of it. Some of us speak a sort of Greek, some a variety of Turkish, some Armenian and some Maroniti.

I shall say this only once ; We are all Cypriots. You better get used to it. Especially if you really desire a peace settlement agreeable to all parties. Because of the partitionistas like you and others in the north, we have a divided island.

And in Turkey there was no assimilation? It's population doesn't even look Asian, as the original Turks were. This doesn't stop them from calling their country Turkey, does it?

Assimilation and mixing of population happens everywhere. There is nothing unique in Cyprus about this.

The important thing is for Cypriots to be free to democratically decide what they want for their own island. If independence (a true one, not the fake they gave us in 1960) and the creation of a "Cypriot ethnicity" is what is desired (not merely accepted after being blackmailed) by the majority of the Cypriot people then I will fully respect the democratic decision of the Cypriot people.

Can you do the same? Or you want to impose your own will even if the vast majority of Cypriots would disagree with you?

If what you want is for the good of all Cypriots then you have nothing to worry about as most Cypriots will obviously choose what is good for their own interests. But when what is on offer is some pseudo independence, with foreign troops, foreign bases, segregation and racist discrimination on our expense then I don't think many Cypriots would agree that this is what they want for their island.

Dont be silly Piratis. I have often stated to Runaway that Turkey has assimilated many other nationalities from all over the Balkans and the middle east to form the 'pure'Turkish race. Next time take note of what I write and dont be so puerile.

So would you suggest to rename Turkey to something else and to stop calling that territory Turkish?

The word Turkey or to be more precise Turqiou (my French is none existent) was coined by the French. Anyway, they decided to keep the name its up to them what they call it.

Cant you for once concentrate on Cyprus? You are full of red herrings!!

I have nothing to do with Turkey nor should Cyprus have too, but for people like you.

When you say "its up to them what they call it" to whom are you referring to? I am sure the Greek minority who lives in what is now called "Turkey" didn't choose for their homeland to have such a name. Obviously this was a choice of the Turks, and aparently they didn't need to ask for the aproval of each ethnic group separately.

What I am asking is the same for Cyprus. It should be up to the Cypriot people to freely and democratically decide (without force and blackmail) what their island is and where it should belong.

When you respect this right of the Cypriot people then we can discuss in a democratic and free dialog the options for our island and be certain that I personally would not choose union with Greece if the option for a a truly free and truly democratic Cyprus is available (not the crap they imposed on us in 1960). I believe that most Cypriots would do the same. At the same time I am willing to accept nothing which is imposed on my people by means of brute force and blackmail. It is a matter of principle.

OK, I give up, but not before I say that you want to visit upon us what Turkey has done to the Greeks of Anatolia. That makes you on par with Turkey, so stop being a headache Piratis and Co.

No I don't want for Cyprus what they have in Turkey. I don't want to oppress the Turkish language, I even don't mind it as an official language of Cyprus. I don't want to rename TCs to "Mountain Greeks", they can keep and evolve their traditions, culture and language as much as they want and with the official support of the state.

What I want from Cyprus is to be a normal democratic country that respects the human and minority rights of all its citizens unlike Turkey.

[Piratis]

It should be up to the Cypriot people to freely and democratically decide (without force and blackmail) what their island is and where it should belong.

And I doubt many would now want to 'belong' to Greece! They'd be subjected to the dreaded 'Austerity Measures'.

Tho' it is probably the case that for the first time, Greece would now not mind 'owning' Cyprus!

Greece supported enosis until the 60s, so I am not sure about what "first time" you are talking about.

As I said what is important to me is for the Cypriots to be free to decide what they want. Beyond that I will fully respect any decision that they make.

In fact I would personally vote against union with Greece if the option for a truly independent and truly democratic Cyprus is available. There are several Slavic countries, several Arab countries, and similarly there can be more than one Hellenic countries, if that is what we choose. And if we choose to create some totally different ethnicity, again our right.

The important thing is that whatever we do should be a result of our own free and democratic choice, not something imposed on us by some foreigners like yourself by means of brute force and blackmail.

[Gasman]

Why the need to create a different one?

What's wrong with being Cypriots who live in CYPRUS?

not something imposed on us by some foreigners like yourself by means of brute force and blackmail.

Like me? Are you nuts? What sort of brute force and blackmail can the likes of me bring to bear on Cyprus?

When I moved here, years ago, I thought I was moving to CYPRUS, another country.

It's Cypriots like yourself who now have me convinced that they can't and probably won't ever see themselves as 'important' or 'powerful' enough to be a country in their own right.

They just never shuttup about Greece, Turkey, UK, US, WHOEVER! And who they want to be connected to or considered 'part of'. And they almost seem to expect a 'solution' to be imposed on them instead of them finding one themselves.

But I guess that's because that's what they've been used to and have always had happen in the past.

[Acikgoz]

The moment one claims Cyprus is a Greek island it makes everyone else the "other",no matter how many centuries they have lived in and loved Cyprus...And it makes it legitimate to demand that part of Cyprus should be something else....

Obvious to anyone that is an "other" but not a nationalist.

[denizaksulu]

And the efforts of the Turks to de-Hellenize our island continue. Cyprus is a Greek island and that is how it was already when your ancestors came here. If you think your ancestors made the wrong choice and you do not want to live on a Greek island then you can always return to your ancestral lands.

If on the other hand you want to kill and ethnically cleanse us because we do not allow you to change the identity of our island then expect that we will continue to fight back against your aggression and expansionism.

When the Ottomans came, there was no Greek island, only a Venetian one.

And it stayed an Ottoman island for the next 300 years or so! Had it not been for the Ottomans the Venetians (being good catholics) were hell bent on cleaing off anything that was Greek Orthodox on the island!

You are again confusing what Cyprus is with the foreign ruler that occupies it.

The Venetians ruled over several Greek territories and none of those territories had any problem in being liberated and being part of the Greek state. Therefore the long term problem was caused by the Ottomans/Turks and not by the Venetians. The Latin minority today lives peacefully among us and shows respect to the Cypriot people and the identity of our island.

I'd daresay a lot of Latin blood flows throught the veins of many a Cypriot. But ofcourse you only talk of those that retained their faith. Shame really. We are all the same to a very large extent.

What you say now is yet another point in favor of my argument. The Venetian rule didn't cause any long term problems to Cyprus. The Latin population either assimilated or choose to live peacefully with the rest of Cypriots without trying to impose anything in an undemocratic way.

If the TC minority was doing the same then we wouldn't have any problems today. Unfortunately your minority was manipulated and turned against the majority of the population because this division and conflict served the interests of those imperialists who wanted to maintain troops and control over Cyprus against the will of the Cypriot people.

Yet you still call it a Greek island after all the assimilation. We are still ALL Cypriots and proud of it. Some of us speak a sort of Greek, some a variety of Turkish, some Armenian and some Maroniti.

I shall say this only once ; We are all Cypriots. You better get used to it. Especially if you really desire a peace settlement agreeable to all parties. Because of the partitionistas like you and others in the north, we have a divided island.

And in Turkey there was no assimilation? It's population doesn't even look Asian, as the original Turks were. This doesn't stop them from calling their country Turkey, does it?

Assimilation and mixing of population happens everywhere. There is nothing unique in Cyprus about this.

The important thing is for Cypriots to be free to democratically decide what they want for their own island. If independence (a true one, not the fake they gave us in 1960) and the creation of a "Cypriot ethnicity" is what is desired (not merely accepted after being blackmailed) by the majority of the Cypriot people then I will fully respect the democratic decision of the Cypriot people.

Can you do the same? Or you want to impose your own will even if the vast majority of Cypriots would disagree with you?

If what you want is for the good of all Cypriots then you have nothing to worry about as most Cypriots will obviously choose what is good for their own interests. But when what is on offer is some pseudo independence, with foreign troops, foreign bases, segregation and racist discrimination on our expense then I don't think many Cypriots would agree that this is what they want for their island.

Dont be silly Piratis. I have often stated to Runaway that Turkey has assimilated many other nationalities from all over the Balkans and the middle east to form the 'pure'Turkish race. Next time take note of what I write and dont be so puerile.

So would you suggest to rename Turkey to something else and to stop calling that territory Turkish?

The word Turkey or to be more precise Turqiou (my French is none existent) was coined by the French. Anyway, they decided to keep the name its up to them what they call it.

Cant you for once concentrate on Cyprus? You are full of red herrings!!

I have nothing to do with Turkey nor should Cyprus have too, but for people like you.

When you say "its up to them what they call it" to whom are you referring to? I am sure the Greek minority who lives in what is now called "Turkey" didn't choose for their homeland to have such a name. Obviously this was a choice of the Turks, and aparently they didn't need to ask for the aproval of each ethnic group separately.

What I am asking is the same for Cyprus. It should be up to the Cypriot people to freely and democratically decide (without force and blackmail) what their island is and where it should belong.

When you respect this right of the Cypriot people then we can discuss in a democratic and free dialog the options for our island and be certain that I personally would not choose union with Greece if the option for a a truly free and truly democratic Cyprus is available (not the crap they imposed on us in 1960). I believe that most Cypriots would do the same. At the same time I am willing to accept nothing which is imposed on my people by means of brute force and blackmail. It is a matter of principle.

OK, I give up, but not before I say that you want to visit upon us what Turkey has done to the Greeks of Anatolia. That makes you on par with Turkey, so stop being a headache Piratis and Co.

No I don't want for Cyprus what they have in Turkey. I don't want to oppress the Turkish language, I even don't mind it as an official language of Cyprus. I don't want to rename TCs to "Mountain Greeks", they can keep and evolve their traditions, culture and language as much as they want and with the official support of the state.

What I want from Cyprus is to be a normal democratic country that respects the human and minority rights of all its citizens unlike Turkey.

Pray tell me what is 'minority rights of all its citizens'?????

In a Cyprus I ideally would envisage would be the avoidance of the term 'Minority, and the abolition of 'enclaves' TC quarters/GC quarters, Brit enclaves and hope for equality for all.

[Piratis]

Why the need to create a different one?

What's wrong with being Cypriots who live in CYPRUS?

not something imposed on us by some foreigners like yourself by means of brute force and blackmail.

Like me? Are you nuts? What sort of brute force and blackmail can the likes of me bring to bear on Cyprus?

When I moved here, years ago, I thought I was moving to CYPRUS, another country.

It's Cypriots like yourself who now have me convinced that they can't and probably won't ever see themselves as 'important' or 'powerful' enough to be a country in their own right.

They just never shuttup about Greece, Turkey, UK, US, WHOEVER! And who they want to be connected to or considered 'part of'. And they almost seem to expect a 'solution' to be imposed on them instead of them finding one themselves.

But I guess that's because that's what they've been used to and have always had happen in the past.

Being Cypriot is like being Cretan or being Athenian. Nothing wrong with it, but it is not an ethnicity.

Not every island and city has to be a separate country. Greece has 100s of inhabited islands, should each and every one of them be a separate country just because this arrangement serves the interests of some foreigners?

If we believe that our own interests are served better by being united in a bigger and therefore stronger country then this is our right. And if we want to have a separate country it is again up to us to decide and since you are not Cypriot you shouldn't even have an opinion on the matter.

If England and Scotland can be part of a single country then really who the hell are you to tell to us where our own island should and shouldn't belong? Go campaign for the slicing and dicing of UK if you want, but our island is really none of your business.

[Piratis]

And the efforts of the Turks to de-Hellenize our island continue. Cyprus is a Greek island and that is how it was already when your ancestors came here. If you think your ancestors made the wrong choice and you do not want to live on a Greek island then you can always return to your ancestral lands.

If on the other hand you want to kill and ethnically cleanse us because we do not allow you to change the identity of our island then expect that we will continue to fight back against your aggression and expansionism.

When the Ottomans came, there was no Greek island, only a Venetian one.

And it stayed an Ottoman island for the next 300 years or so! Had it not been for the Ottomans the Venetians (being good catholics) were hell bent on cleaing off anything that was Greek Orthodox on the island!

You are again confusing what Cyprus is with the foreign ruler that occupies it.

The Venetians ruled over several Greek territories and none of those territories had any problem in being liberated and being part of the Greek state. Therefore the long term problem was caused by the Ottomans/Turks and not by the Venetians. The Latin minority today lives peacefully among us and shows respect to the Cypriot people and the identity of our island.

I'd daresay a lot of Latin blood flows throught the veins of many a Cypriot. But ofcourse you only talk of those that retained their faith. Shame really. We are all the same to a very large extent.

What you say now is yet another point in favor of my argument. The Venetian rule didn't cause any long term problems to Cyprus. The Latin population either assimilated or choose to live peacefully with the rest of Cypriots without trying to impose anything in an undemocratic way.

If the TC minority was doing the same then we wouldn't have any problems today. Unfortunately your minority was manipulated and turned against the majority of the population because this division and conflict served the interests of those imperialists who wanted to maintain troops and control over Cyprus against the will of the Cypriot people.

Yet you still call it a Greek island after all the assimilation. We are still ALL Cypriots and proud of it. Some of us speak a sort of Greek, some a variety of Turkish, some Armenian and some Maroniti.

I shall say this only once ; We are all Cypriots. You better get used to it. Especially if you really desire a peace settlement agreeable to all parties. Because of the partitionistas like you and others in the north, we have a divided island.

And in Turkey there was no assimilation? It's population doesn't even look Asian, as the original Turks were. This doesn't stop them from calling their country Turkey, does it?

Assimilation and mixing of population happens everywhere. There is nothing unique in Cyprus about this.

The important thing is for Cypriots to be free to democratically decide what they want for their own island. If independence (a true one, not the fake they gave us in 1960) and the creation of a "Cypriot ethnicity" is what is desired (not merely accepted after being blackmailed) by the majority of the Cypriot people then I will fully respect the democratic decision of the Cypriot people.

Can you do the same? Or you want to impose your own will even if the vast majority of Cypriots would disagree with you?

If what you want is for the good of all Cypriots then you have nothing to worry about as most Cypriots will obviously choose what is good for their own interests. But when what is on offer is some pseudo independence, with foreign troops, foreign bases, segregation and racist discrimination on our expense then I don't think many Cypriots would agree that this is what they want for their island.

Dont be silly Piratis. I have often stated to Runaway that Turkey has assimilated many other nationalities from all over the Balkans and the middle east to form the 'pure'Turkish race. Next time take note of what I write and dont be so puerile.

So would you suggest to rename Turkey to something else and to stop calling that territory Turkish?

The word Turkey or to be more precise Turqiou (my French is none existent) was coined by the French. Anyway, they decided to keep the name its up to them what they call it.

Cant you for once concentrate on Cyprus? You are full of red herrings!!

I have nothing to do with Turkey nor should Cyprus have too, but for people like you.

When you say "its up to them what they call it" to whom are you referring to? I am sure the Greek minority who lives in what is now called "Turkey" didn't choose for their homeland to have such a name. Obviously this was a choice of the Turks, and aparently they didn't need to ask for the aproval of each ethnic group separately.

What I am asking is the same for Cyprus. It should be up to the Cypriot people to freely and democratically decide (without force and blackmail) what their island is and where it should belong.

When you respect this right of the Cypriot people then we can discuss in a democratic and free dialog the options for our island and be certain that I personally would not choose union with Greece if the option for a a truly free and truly democratic Cyprus is available (not the crap they imposed on us in 1960). I believe that most Cypriots would do the same. At the same time I am willing to accept nothing which is imposed on my people by means of brute force and blackmail. It is a matter of principle.

OK, I give up, but not before I say that you want to visit upon us what Turkey has done to the Greeks of Anatolia. That makes you on par with Turkey, so stop being a headache Piratis and Co.

No I don't want for Cyprus what they have in Turkey. I don't want to oppress the Turkish language, I even don't mind it as an official language of Cyprus. I don't want to rename TCs to "Mountain Greeks", they can keep and evolve their traditions, culture and language as much as they want and with the official support of the state.

What I want from Cyprus is to be a normal democratic country that respects the human and minority rights of all its citizens unlike Turkey.

Pray tell me what is 'minority rights of all its citizens'?????

In a Cyprus I ideally would envisage would be the avoidance of the term 'Minority, and the abolition of 'enclaves' TC quarters/GC quarters, Brit enclaves and hope for equality for all.

What I mean is human rights for all citizens plus minority rights for the minority groups.

This is not about terms but about rights. Minority rights are additional rights beyond human rights. If you belonged to an officially recognized ethnic minority group in the UK then you have more rights, not less. The Kurds in Turkey are struggling for years to get an official minority status.

Now, if you don't want this status just because the term "minority" sounds dirty to you, then fine. No problem with me.

Also what I want has nothing to do with enclaves and "quarters". This is segregation and it is favored only by the partitionists. All Cypriots should be free to live wherever they want.