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[observer]

I don't care much, considering the whole affair rather stupid. But first of all get your facts right.

The bank notes of Macedonia can be seen here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_denar

No White Tower, not even a 1 denar note!

The explanation can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Towe ... essaloniki

It's not legal currency, nor has it ever been legal currency. It's a spurious piece of printing by a minor nationalist group. Every country has such a group, and I wouldn't take it too seriously.

[Lit]

I don't care much, considering the whole affair rather stupid. But first of all get your facts right.

Yeah, you do not care and that is why you are commenting about it.

The bank notes of Macedonia can be seen here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_denar

No White Tower, not even a 1 denar note!

The explanation can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Towe ... essaloniki

Try reading my comment more carefully. I stated when that state first declared independence ... they designed a new flag with the Sun of Vergina at its center and the White Tower of Thessaloniki. I did not say that this was its current currency. Now if youd like me to elaborate further, well, the Greek trade embargo played a role, perhaps that is why it isnt the currency. Perhaps that is why FY ROM changed certain articles in their constitution about Northern Greece. Perhaps that is why FY RoM changed the Vergina flag into another sun flag.

It's not legal currency, nor has it ever been legal currency. It's a spurious piece of printing by a minor nationalist group. Every country has such a group, and I wouldn't take it too seriously.

You wouldnt take it seriously because it simply does not affect you. Greece has been often ridiculed for its insistence that its Slavic neighbors abandon the name 'Macedonia' (now Athens would accept the name Northern Macedonia) "What is the big deal?" many have asked.

Yet, when an Absolut Vodka ad appeared recently depicting an early 19th century map showing chunks of the United States as Mexican, most Americans got so upset to the point to boycott the popular drink. If Absolut Vodka has brought such an insult to the USA for a less than 2 centuries old issue, imagine the audacity of (FY) RoM for plagiarizing Greek history and national identity that has stood for over 2000 years.

[observer]

“… for currency they designed a new flag with the Sun of Vergina at its center and the White Tower of Thessaloniki, Greek symbols from northern Greece”.

Your words were “for currency” and you had a picture of the offending “bank note”. The thing you illustrate is not, and never has been, a Macedonian bank note. Not now, not on independence, not any time in between. There has never been a Macedonian 1 denar note of any description.

As for the flag, the Sun of Vergina is predominantly associated with ancient Macedonia, although named after Vergina in Greece where an important discovery bearing the symbol was seen. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergina_Sun

If Macedonia really had ambitions to absorb Greece or parts of it, I don’t think changing Macedonia’s name would be a real deterrent.

[Lit]

… for currency they designed a new flag with the Sun of Vergina at its center and the White Tower of Thessaloniki, Greek symbols from northern Greece”.

Your words were “for currency” and you had a picture of the offending “bank note”. The thing you illustrate is not, and never has been, a Macedonian bank note. Not now, not on independence, not any time in between. There has never been a Macedonian 1 denar note of any description.

It was intended for circulation but withheld do to Greek objections.

As for the flag, the Sun of Vergina is predominantly associated with ancient Macedonia, although named after Vergina in Greece where an important discovery bearing the symbol was seen. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergina_Sun

If Macedonia really had ambitions to absorb Greece or parts of it, I don’t think changing Macedonia’s name would be a real deterrent.

It doesn't concern you, mate, and as i stated previously...this has nothing to do with the Cyprus problem.

[observer]

I think that Lit is into "I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with the facts" mode.

No, piece of paper you've shown was never intended for circulation. There never was, nor never has been, a Macedonian 1 denar bank note. The lowest denomination bank note ever has been 10 denar.

It was printed as a piece of propaganda by a small nationalist group, rather as if your Golden Dawn people printed pieces of propaganda with scenes of Istanbul.

Do yourself a favour and read some of the refernces I've posted earlier.

[wyoming cowboy]

There is no dispute at all over the status of FYROM as an independent nation. The name is a different matter, since allowing one of the three states (Greece, Byulgaria, FYROM) sharing the geographic area of Macedonia to monopolise the name Macedonia leads to all kinds of possible future misunderstandings.

Cyprus is totally different, everyone involved seems to reject the status of at least some of the parties involved.

We all have to start from somewhere. TRNC is no different. Pre 1947, there was no state of Israel either, but there sure is one now.

another ding dong spewing their shit.....There is a UN mandate for the establishment of Israel, There are numerous UN resolutions calling the occuppied areas of Cyprus illegal...and in violation of human rights

[YFred]

There is no dispute at all over the status of FYROM as an independent nation. The name is a different matter, since allowing one of the three states (Greece, Byulgaria, FYROM) sharing the geographic area of Macedonia to monopolise the name Macedonia leads to all kinds of possible future misunderstandings.

Cyprus is totally different, everyone involved seems to reject the status of at least some of the parties involved.

We all have to start from somewhere. TRNC is no different. Pre 1947, there was no state of Israel either, but there sure is one now.

another ding dong spewing their shit.....There is a UN mandate for the establishment of Israel, There are numerous UN resolutions calling the occuppied areas of Cyprus illegal...and in violation of human rights

So UN can approve the creation of a country on occupied lands then? It's done it before and it will do it again. Well there is your solution.
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[pappy_sydney]

observor wrote

If Macedonia really had ambitions to absorb Greece or parts of it, I don’t think changing Macedonia’s name would be a real deterrent.

First of all this has nothing to do with the Cyprus problem and secondly what a stupid comment !! the point is these former Bulgarians are trying to claim an identity ( and its history etc ) that is Greek and not theirs..thats what all Greeks including Cypriots are fighting against.

[Hatter]

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As for the flag, the Sun of Vergina is predominantly associated with ancient Macedonia, .

So what are these Slavs, who arrived at the scene several centuries later, doing with a symbol of ancient macedonia?

If Macedonia really had ambitions to absorb Greece or parts of it, I don’t think changing Macedonia’s name would be a real deterrent.

If they do not harbour such ambitions, then why do they puiblish maps that show that part of northern greece, all the way south to include Salonika, as an integral part of their state?

The refusal to accept their use of the name may or may not be a deterrent, but it is part and parcel of greece's refusal to have her history and culture usurped and used to artificially create "ethnic mnority" issues for nefarious purposes at the expense of her sovereignty.

BTW, has it ever occurred to you to wonder where these Slavs get their funding? Perhaps from entities who have ulterior designs on the riches to be had via a grateful usurprer that they aided and abetted and funded? Incase you are wondering, studies have shown very large quantities of uranium in northern greece (salonika, serres et al) worth billions of euros. Also gold. Plus, of course, oil in the northern Aegean, billions of barrels of the stuff (why do you think turkey wants to expand into the Aegean at the expene of greece and why do you think those who help her choose to do so?).