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Postby denizaksulu » Mon May 24, 2010 11:22 am

Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Good morning sweet one.

A mistake to compare Liquirice and liquirice allsorts.

My understanding was - the reason I gave up my fav sweets was that it is not good for sufferers of high blood pressure, and the sugar content not good for people like me and Milti.

I liked it for its anisole /aniseed content. I make up for the absence of ALLsorts by keeping a bottle of Raki/ ouzo handy.

http://www.nutraingredients.com/Researc ... d-pressure


Morning, Deniz.

Your diabetic problems are specific to glucose and not to whether these sweets have liquorice or not. Presumably, you even have to watch how many raisins, for example, you consume...

As for the research you mention, you should know better, Deniz, than to give credit to scientists who extrapolate beyond their actual experimentation.

"The individual response to liquorice followed the normal distribution. Since liquorice raised the blood pressure, with a linear dose-response relationship, the authors wrote, even doses as low as 50 g of liquorice (75 mg glycyrrhetinic acid) consumed daily for 2 weeks can cause a significant rise in blood pressure."

50g of liquorice is a hell of a lot. Why didn't they test down to 20, 10, 5 or even 1 g and present those results? More realistic amounts wouldn't you say? Well, you and I know they wouldn't have been able to publish those results, would they? So, by their own inference methodology, we can extrapolate from their failure that liquorice taken in more 'normal' amounts, over 'normal' lengths of time does not have a dire effect on blood pressure.

BTW there was some new research which showed that people with higher, than previously considered desirable, levels of blood pressure, live longer and have better cognitive abilities further into old age ... Now where did I see that? :?

Go on, Deniz, raise your blood pressure a little! :D



Only your mentor tries to raise my BP. Dont you start now. :lol:

You know and I know that you can take any data and give it any lein you like.

It is not good enough just to post the benefits but also the side effects too.

I gave up my favorite sweets for a 'better' future. You dont want me having a quick death do you? :roll:



http://www.righthealth.com/topic/Licori ... 16457c4ae4


Safety
Many complementary techniques are practiced by healthcare professionals with formal training, in accordance with the standards of national organizations. However, this is not universally the case, and adverse effects are possible. Due to limited research, in some cases only limited safety information is available. Allergies
People should avoid licorice if they have a known allergy to licorice, any component of licorice, or any member of the Fabaceae (Leguminosae) plant family (pea family). There is a report of rash after applying a cosmetic product containing licorice to the skin.

Side Effects and Warnings
Licorice contains a chemical called glycyrrhizic acid, which is responsible for many of the reported side effects. DGL (deglycyrrhizinated licorice) has had the glycyrrhizic acid removed, and therefore is considered safer for use.

Many of the adverse effects of licorice result from actions on hormone levels in the body. By altering the activities of certain hormones, licorice may cause electrolyte disturbances. Possible effects include sodium and fluid retention, low potassium levels, and metabolic alkalosis.

Electrolyte abnormalities may also lead to irregular heartbeats, heart attack, kidney damage, muscle weakness, or muscle breakdown. Licorice should be used cautiously by people with congestive heart failure, coronary heart disease, kidney or liver disease, fluid retention (edema), high blood pressure, underlying electrolyte disturbances, hormonal abnormalities, or those taking diuretics.

Hormonal imbalances have been reported with the use of licorice, such as abnormally low testosterone levels in men or high prolactin levels and estrogen levels in women. However, study results conflict. These adverse effects may reduce fertility or cause menstrual abnormalities.

Reduced body fat mass has been observed with the use of licorice, but weight gain is also possible. Acute pseudo-aldosteronism syndrome has been associated with licorice. Paralysis has been reported in a patient taking licorice that contributed to low potassium levels. Thyrotoxic periodic paralysis (TPP) has been associated with licorice. Metabolic alkalosis and seizure has been reported from licorice in antacid.

Licorice has been reported to cause high blood pressure, including dangerously high blood pressure with symptoms such as headache, nausea, vomiting, and hypertensive encephalopathy with stroke-like effects (for example, one-sided weakness).

High doses of licorice may cause temporary vision problems or loss. Ocular side effects have been reported. Central retinal vein occlusion has been associated with licorice. A case report exists of licorice-induced hypokalemia associated with dropped head syndrome (DHS).
Pregnancy and Breastfeeding
Licorice cannot be recommended during pregnancy and breastfeeding due to possible alterations of hormone levels and the possibility of premature labor.

Hormonal imbalances reported with the use of licorice include abnormally low testosterone levels in men and high prolactin levels/estrogen levels in women. However, study results conflict. 17-OHP and LH levels may also be affected.

Pay attention ------------>Highlighted in red.

Now say thank you and I will alow that to be your last word on it :lol: :lol:
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Postby Gasman » Mon May 24, 2010 12:14 pm

Predictably ends in a know it all know nuffink lecture from the mighty O!

But got the attention she craves.
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Postby Oracle » Mon May 24, 2010 12:58 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Good morning sweet one.

A mistake to compare Liquirice and liquirice allsorts.

My understanding was - the reason I gave up my fav sweets was that it is not good for sufferers of high blood pressure, and the sugar content not good for people like me and Milti.

I liked it for its anisole /aniseed content. I make up for the absence of ALLsorts by keeping a bottle of Raki/ ouzo handy.

http://www.nutraingredients.com/Researc ... d-pressure


Morning, Deniz.

Your diabetic problems are specific to glucose and not to whether these sweets have liquorice or not. Presumably, you even have to watch how many raisins, for example, you consume...

As for the research you mention, you should know better, Deniz, than to give credit to scientists who extrapolate beyond their actual experimentation.

"The individual response to liquorice followed the normal distribution. Since liquorice raised the blood pressure, with a linear dose-response relationship, the authors wrote, even doses as low as 50 g of liquorice (75 mg glycyrrhetinic acid) consumed daily for 2 weeks can cause a significant rise in blood pressure."

50g of liquorice is a hell of a lot. Why didn't they test down to 20, 10, 5 or even 1 g and present those results? More realistic amounts wouldn't you say? Well, you and I know they wouldn't have been able to publish those results, would they? So, by their own inference methodology, we can extrapolate from their failure that liquorice taken in more 'normal' amounts, over 'normal' lengths of time does not have a dire effect on blood pressure.

BTW there was some new research which showed that people with higher, than previously considered desirable, levels of blood pressure, live longer and have better cognitive abilities further into old age ... Now where did I see that? :?

Go on, Deniz, raise your blood pressure a little! :D



Only your mentor tries to raise my BP. Dont you start now. :lol:

You know and I know that you can take any data and give it any lein you like.

It is not good enough just to post the benefits but also the side effects too.

I gave up my favorite sweets for a 'better' future. You dont want me having a quick death do you? :roll:



http://www.righthealth.com/topic/Licori ... 16457c4ae4


Safety
Many complementary techniques are practiced by healthcare professionals with formal training, in accordance with the standards of national organizations. However, this is not universally the case, and adverse effects are possible. Due to limited research, in some cases only limited safety information is available. Allergies
People should avoid licorice if they have a known allergy to licorice, any component of licorice, or any member of the Fabaceae (Leguminosae) plant family (pea family). There is a report of rash after applying a cosmetic product containing licorice to the skin.

Side Effects and Warnings
Licorice contains a chemical called glycyrrhizic acid, which is responsible for many of the reported side effects. DGL (deglycyrrhizinated licorice) has had the glycyrrhizic acid removed, and therefore is considered safer for use.

Many of the adverse effects of licorice result from actions on hormone levels in the body. By altering the activities of certain hormones, licorice may cause electrolyte disturbances. Possible effects include sodium and fluid retention, low potassium levels, and metabolic alkalosis.

Electrolyte abnormalities may also lead to irregular heartbeats, heart attack, kidney damage, muscle weakness, or muscle breakdown. Licorice should be used cautiously by people with congestive heart failure, coronary heart disease, kidney or liver disease, fluid retention (edema), high blood pressure, underlying electrolyte disturbances, hormonal abnormalities, or those taking diuretics.

Hormonal imbalances have been reported with the use of licorice, such as abnormally low testosterone levels in men or high prolactin levels and estrogen levels in women. However, study results conflict. These adverse effects may reduce fertility or cause menstrual abnormalities.

Reduced body fat mass has been observed with the use of licorice, but weight gain is also possible. Acute pseudo-aldosteronism syndrome has been associated with licorice. Paralysis has been reported in a patient taking licorice that contributed to low potassium levels. Thyrotoxic periodic paralysis (TPP) has been associated with licorice. Metabolic alkalosis and seizure has been reported from licorice in antacid.

Licorice has been reported to cause high blood pressure, including dangerously high blood pressure with symptoms such as headache, nausea, vomiting, and hypertensive encephalopathy with stroke-like effects (for example, one-sided weakness).

High doses of licorice may cause temporary vision problems or loss. Ocular side effects have been reported. Central retinal vein occlusion has been associated with licorice. A case report exists of licorice-induced hypokalemia associated with dropped head syndrome (DHS).
Pregnancy and Breastfeeding
Licorice cannot be recommended during pregnancy and breastfeeding due to possible alterations of hormone levels and the possibility of premature labor.

Hormonal imbalances reported with the use of licorice include abnormally low testosterone levels in men and high prolactin levels/estrogen levels in women. However, study results conflict. 17-OHP and LH levels may also be affected.

Pay attention ------------>Highlighted in red.

Now say thank you and I will alow that to be your last word on it :lol: :lol:


Deniz, Deniz, Deniz!

I never took you for an alarmist! I have already explained to you the difference between 'normal' levels and toxic levels of any substance.

You don't have to be a chemist to know that even water, in high enough doses, will kill you ... :D
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon May 24, 2010 12:58 pm

Gasman wrote:Predictably ends in a know it all know nuffink lecture from the mighty O!

But got the attention she craves.



That was uncalled for. Now O has gone to the garden sunbathing and sulking. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Mon May 24, 2010 1:03 pm

She came back! :D

Last tip for the day, before I disappear again ....

"A little of what you fancy does you good!" Tralala.



BTW ... this is my second favourite! :D


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Postby denizaksulu » Mon May 24, 2010 1:05 pm

Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Good morning sweet one.

A mistake to compare Liquirice and liquirice allsorts.

My understanding was - the reason I gave up my fav sweets was that it is not good for sufferers of high blood pressure, and the sugar content not good for people like me and Milti.

I liked it for its anisole /aniseed content. I make up for the absence of ALLsorts by keeping a bottle of Raki/ ouzo handy.

http://www.nutraingredients.com/Researc ... d-pressure


Morning, Deniz.

Your diabetic problems are specific to glucose and not to whether these sweets have liquorice or not. Presumably, you even have to watch how many raisins, for example, you consume...

As for the research you mention, you should know better, Deniz, than to give credit to scientists who extrapolate beyond their actual experimentation.

"The individual response to liquorice followed the normal distribution. Since liquorice raised the blood pressure, with a linear dose-response relationship, the authors wrote, even doses as low as 50 g of liquorice (75 mg glycyrrhetinic acid) consumed daily for 2 weeks can cause a significant rise in blood pressure."

50g of liquorice is a hell of a lot. Why didn't they test down to 20, 10, 5 or even 1 g and present those results? More realistic amounts wouldn't you say? Well, you and I know they wouldn't have been able to publish those results, would they? So, by their own inference methodology, we can extrapolate from their failure that liquorice taken in more 'normal' amounts, over 'normal' lengths of time does not have a dire effect on blood pressure.

BTW there was some new research which showed that people with higher, than previously considered desirable, levels of blood pressure, live longer and have better cognitive abilities further into old age ... Now where did I see that? :?

Go on, Deniz, raise your blood pressure a little! :D



Only your mentor tries to raise my BP. Dont you start now. :lol:

You know and I know that you can take any data and give it any lein you like.

It is not good enough just to post the benefits but also the side effects too.

I gave up my favorite sweets for a 'better' future. You dont want me having a quick death do you? :roll:



http://www.righthealth.com/topic/Licori ... 16457c4ae4


Safety
Many complementary techniques are practiced by healthcare professionals with formal training, in accordance with the standards of national organizations. However, this is not universally the case, and adverse effects are possible. Due to limited research, in some cases only limited safety information is available. Allergies
People should avoid licorice if they have a known allergy to licorice, any component of licorice, or any member of the Fabaceae (Leguminosae) plant family (pea family). There is a report of rash after applying a cosmetic product containing licorice to the skin.

Side Effects and Warnings
Licorice contains a chemical called glycyrrhizic acid, which is responsible for many of the reported side effects. DGL (deglycyrrhizinated licorice) has had the glycyrrhizic acid removed, and therefore is considered safer for use.

Many of the adverse effects of licorice result from actions on hormone levels in the body. By altering the activities of certain hormones, licorice may cause electrolyte disturbances. Possible effects include sodium and fluid retention, low potassium levels, and metabolic alkalosis.

Electrolyte abnormalities may also lead to irregular heartbeats, heart attack, kidney damage, muscle weakness, or muscle breakdown. Licorice should be used cautiously by people with congestive heart failure, coronary heart disease, kidney or liver disease, fluid retention (edema), high blood pressure, underlying electrolyte disturbances, hormonal abnormalities, or those taking diuretics.

Hormonal imbalances have been reported with the use of licorice, such as abnormally low testosterone levels in men or high prolactin levels and estrogen levels in women. However, study results conflict. These adverse effects may reduce fertility or cause menstrual abnormalities.

Reduced body fat mass has been observed with the use of licorice, but weight gain is also possible. Acute pseudo-aldosteronism syndrome has been associated with licorice. Paralysis has been reported in a patient taking licorice that contributed to low potassium levels. Thyrotoxic periodic paralysis (TPP) has been associated with licorice. Metabolic alkalosis and seizure has been reported from licorice in antacid.

Licorice has been reported to cause high blood pressure, including dangerously high blood pressure with symptoms such as headache, nausea, vomiting, and hypertensive encephalopathy with stroke-like effects (for example, one-sided weakness).

High doses of licorice may cause temporary vision problems or loss. Ocular side effects have been reported. Central retinal vein occlusion has been associated with licorice. A case report exists of licorice-induced hypokalemia associated with dropped head syndrome (DHS).
Pregnancy and Breastfeeding
Licorice cannot be recommended during pregnancy and breastfeeding due to possible alterations of hormone levels and the possibility of premature labor.

Hormonal imbalances reported with the use of licorice include abnormally low testosterone levels in men and high prolactin levels/estrogen levels in women. However, study results conflict. 17-OHP and LH levels may also be affected.

Pay attention ------------>Highlighted in red.

Now say thank you and I will alow that to be your last word on it :lol: :lol:


Deniz, Deniz, Deniz!

I never took you for an alarmist! I have already explained to you the difference between 'normal' levels and toxic levels of any substance.

You don't have to be a chemist to know that even water, in high enough doses, will kill you ... :D



You love my name dont you :lol: :lol: :lol:


In my poor decrepid state one has to err on the side of caution. The warnings are there...

Like sufferers of migraine , which may be triggered off by eating certain chocolate concoctions - they do not gorge themselves with the offending food.
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon May 24, 2010 1:09 pm

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...and these are mine. I even tried the ginger ones. Good at winter. Keeps the chest warm. Only in moderation and properly quantified :lol: :lol:
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Postby Gasman » Mon May 24, 2010 1:10 pm

You don't have to be a chemist to know that even water, in high enough doses, will kill you ...


Well cheer up and find something more fulfilling to do than conduct a liquorice allsorts poll or try to show off your 'knowledge' about crap sweets ...

I am going down for a swim and you never know - it might be a high enough dose of water to kill me!
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Postby SpartanGamer » Mon May 24, 2010 6:06 pm

my favorite: kettle chips!!!!@!!@!!@!@@!@!@

ahem... how do i put a picture up?
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Postby apc2010 » Mon May 24, 2010 6:09 pm

SpartanGamer wrote:my favorite: kettle chips!!!!@!!@!!@!@@!@!@

ahem... how do i put a picture up?


In your allsorts ?????
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