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[Acikgoz]

No debate necessary, feel uncomfortable commiting to a preference, no probs move on....

Nikitas, I understand, it's a tough to play hypothetical when you are against both options. In that case just move on rather than try and argue against a point that has not been made.

[insan]

29-71, well lets us see the logic of that. The 18 per cent of the population deserve 29 per cent of the territory, so the 82 per cent must deserve four and something times 29 per cent, that would make it close to 120 per cent. Since there is not enough land for that kind of share out, someone must provide some extra land.

Who is going to be the patsy in this game?

So, what's your logic Nikitas? If one day the percentage of TCs drops to let's say 5%, should they have the 5% of Cyprus land?

An article recently posted by Oracle suggests that Maronites constitited almost 50% of Cyprus in mid 1550s... who appropriated the Maronite lands and properties after they emigrated? The first Ottoman settlers who were about 25-30 thousands and constituted nearly 1/3 of islands population?

[Kikapu]

"Gas Grass or Ass, nobody rides for free".!

Excellent, Kiks... and all the more poetic if delivered with a broad American enunciation. In return, here's an anecdote from this side of the pond, involving a certain hero of mine, which is equally relevant to the discussion...

Churchill: Madam, would you sleep with me for a million pounds?
Socialite: My goodness, Mr. Churchill… Well, I suppose… we would have to discuss terms, of course…
Churchill: Would you sleep with me for one pound?
Socialite: Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!
Churchill: Madam, we’ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the price.

Excellent, Kiks... and all the more poetic if delivered with a broad American enunciation.

I can do that.

Gaaaasssssssssss, Graaaaasssssssss aannnd Aaasssssssssssss.!

Churchill: Madam, would you sleep with me for a million pounds?
Socialite: My goodness, Mr. Churchill… Well, I suppose… we would have to discuss terms, of course…
Churchill: Would you sleep with me for one pound?
Socialite: Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!
Churchill: Madam, we’ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the price.

I've heard this one also, but great reading it again.!

[Kikapu]

The question that really needs to be asked is, just how much land is it worth for the TCs to give back to the GCs in order to finally achieve their Taksim dream and be legal at the same time.??

I'm still waiting for someone from the TCs to answer this question, specially from the NeoPartitionists.!

[YFred]

The question that really needs to be asked is, just how much land is it worth for the TCs to give back to the GCs in order to finally achieve their Taksim dream and be legal at the same time.??

I'm still waiting for someone from the TCs to answer this question, specially from the NeoPartitionists.!

As I am not, can't answer that one.

[Nikitas]

"So, what's your logic Nikitas?"

To apportion the land, coastline and resources on an equitable basis if partition is on the cards. Any other arrangement is preparatory to yet another round of trouble. One fifth of the population getting one third of the land, half the resources, and half the coastline is not exactly fair.

[YFred]

"So, what's your logic Nikitas?"

To apportion the land, coastline and resources on an equitable basis if partition is on the cards. Any other arrangement is preparatory to yet another round of trouble. One fifth of the population getting one third of the land, half the resources, and half the coastline is not exactly fair.

No look Nikitas, don't be soft. You can have the whole of Karpaz, and we'll allow you to build a tunnel under the sea.
That will give 30% more coastline and resources.

[Nikitas]

If you look at the territory which is added by applying the law of the sea convention's provisions about Exclusive Economic Zones, then you realise that the coastline is a point worth considering.

[YFred]

If you look at the territory which is added by applying the law of the sea convention's provisions about Exclusive Economic Zones, then you realise that the coastline is a point worth considering.

No matter what you consider, the Turks have a lot more coastline that cyprus will ever have and have the power to implement it too. You can have the whole of cyprus and still you would not be able to get your hands on the resources just like greece has been unable to do up to this point.

Perhaps now that she is in dire straits, perhaps she will come to her senses and come to an agreement about sharing them fairly with turkey to the benefit of both.

[Nikitas]

sharing fairly meaning what? Not enjoying the rights given by the Law of the Sea to all states?

This idea is a Turkish invention, that the law can apply everywhere else, including the north and south coasts but not the Aegean. And exactly what is there to share? So far only one oil well was found in northern Greece, it gave oil of quesionable quality and ran dry after a few years.

And what has Turkey to do with the Cyprus Exclusive Economic Zone? It has been told to bugger off by others far more powerful who had enough of this special case nonsense.

As to the length of coastline, check the figures, you will be surprised to see how much Cyprus has and what entitlements that coast brings.