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[humanist]

Nikitas ...... take note of Deniz's post.

however, I would like to say that if the scenario of recognition of the occupied territory of Cyprus know by the occupiers as "trnc", it would be that due to the fact the settlers and TC's share a common language and religion they will all inter marry. There will be ill feelings between them because the TC's will feel as they already do, that they are a minority in their own country, that their settler friends got more perks than they have, but overall they will live peacefully for a while.

Then a settler ancestor will one day become a leader and decided that they want to achieve what their forefathers have started out to do and that is union with Turkey and so it goes.

[YFred]

You all seem to have missed the obvious. The reason why the Address is Mersin 10 is because there are no direct flights. How else could you sort the post in Turkey. It was a practical measure. Who exactly is responsible for lack of direct flights to TRNC again. Let he with no sin throw the first stone.

You dig the hole for the whole of cyprus and then you complain about the consequences. When the TC vote to join with Turkey the we'll see you run around like headless turkeys.

You continue with this mentality and see it happen before your very eyes.

[Viewpoint]

I have to say that due to there never going to be a solution that both sides will commit to recognition of the TRNC is the only real alternative we have, in 100 years time no one will even remmeber what all the fuss was about. If recognition occured and the economy of the TRNC improved then we would like all other countries have strict immigration regulations and be in a position of strenth when opposing Turkey if we did not want to adopt anything we did not see fit. Recognition imo is the only way forward cant you people see the chasm and that it is impossible to bridge how many more years will you waste with negotiation to failure, in time you will all start to think like me I am just light years ahead and have accepted and support agreed partition, land for recognition.

[Gasman]

When the TC vote to join with Turkey

Is, or has this been, an 'option' for them to vote for?

If so - when?

[observer]

1) Does it mean an independant homeland for you?

2) Does it mean an other Turkish province.

What are your aspirations for the territory?

I can't speak for a whole community, but I think the order the majority of TCs would want is:
1. BBF
2. International recognition for TRNC
3. Current situation
4. Turkish province - this a long way after first three.
5. Absorbtion into a GC controlled RoC

Pragmatically, whatever daydreams, UN resolutions and European Courts may say, because of historical events the longer there is no agreement, the more likely it is that the existing situation becomes the agreement. This is because more and more people will have an interest in it being so.

Looking arond the world at disputes a little before 1974, Palestinians aren't going to get their homes back, the Kashmiri LOC is more and more a border, no-one of importance presses for the Chinese to leave Tibet anymore - all because of time.

[insan]

1) Does it mean an independant homeland for you?

2) Does it mean an other Turkish province.

What are your aspirations for the territory?

It means locally independent but regionally and globally dependent to more powerful countries... just like so-called RoC and all other tiny countries...

Insan , there is nothing "so called" RoC. Get a hold of realities .

Milti, all my very deep researches show that and you maybe know it better than me... since Greece and Turkey have joined to NATO, super powers of NATO exerted to satisfy and fulfil the demands of both; besides their extensions in Cyprus but failed bcz the demands and claims of Greeks and Turks besides their collaborators(GCs&TCs) in Cyprus were totally opposite... Even before then, throughout British Rule; Brits on one hand exerted to maintain good relations with Ottomans so that they treated TCs good and on the other hand they treated major community GCs good to prevent any uprising by major community of Cyprus...

Imo, this can't be called "divide and rule" but "do everything possible to protect our interests"...

Now you may say:" I don't care interests of other nations except 'Cypriots' and Americans.."

However my friend you have to get a hold of realities and one of the undeniable reality of this world is that everything goes in direction of the interests of strong countries in this wild capitalist world!

Americans and their allies ruled(still rules?) the world... fair or not depends where you stay... You know that Americans don't only care about it's common interests with Greek, GC and "Cypriot" but Turkish, TC and all others too... This decades lasted interest conflict among all concerned parties led us what we have been gone through and current situation...(oddly enough you have a very deep love and respect to Americans ) Is it because they recognized the so-called RoC?

See? Interests... common interests... When Greeks, Turks, GCs, TCs, Cypriots and all other concerned parties will have common interests; things will get better too... but when... maybe after the 3rd WW...

Best regards to my contemporary forum friend Milti... his only fault is swearing too much...

[YFred]

When the TC vote to join with Turkey

Is, or has this been, an 'option' for them to vote for?

If so - when?

Not yet, but I suspect Eroglu may pull a fast one at some stage if the negotiatons don't go to his liking.

[Kikapu]

1) Does it mean an independant homeland for you?

2) Does it mean an other Turkish province.

What are your aspirations for the territory?

I can't speak for a whole community, but I think the order the majority of TCs would want is:
1. BBF
2. International recognition for TRNC
3. Current situation
4. Turkish province - this a long way after first three.
5. Absorbtion into a GC controlled RoC

Pragmatically, whatever daydreams, UN resolutions and European Courts may say, because of historical events the longer there is no agreement, the more likely it is that the existing situation becomes the agreement. This is because more and more people will have an interest in it being so.

Looking arond the world at disputes a little before 1974, Palestinians aren't going to get their homes back, the Kashmiri LOC is more and more a border, no-one of importance presses for the Chinese to leave Tibet anymore - all because of time.

This can ONLY mean in that case, Observer, that clashes and wars will continue in Cyprus for a long time to come, as the case is with the places you have mentioned and many other places. That being the case and the north not being developed financially and officially has the illegal state status, it will always remain that way (financially and politically deprived) since it's future is not secured enough for anyone to make any long term financial investment there, other than perhaps, Turkey. Places like Taiwan is very unique in what they have done economically despite not being recognised politically and I'm afraid many TCs believe foolishly, that the north can become economic powerhouse of the Mediterranean if only embargoes were removed.

Turkey as an occupying force in Cyprus, on territory belonging to a EU member state of the RoC, just their presence alone under the current situation will not allow any substantial long term financial development of the north. Taiwan did not become an economic power house just by producing Hellim, Olives and Potatoes to sell to the world. The TCs can't even sell these items (and what ever else they may produce in large amounts), to it's so called "motherland" Turkey, where there are no embargoes and a 70+ million Turkish market. I believe the last figure for 2009 was $35 million US Dollars (or was it Turkish Liras) worth of goods exported to Turkey by the north. That's ONLY 50 cents per Turkish capita. Hardly anything to write home about.

There is no evidence, that the north's economic success would be any better than Turkey's in the long run, and Turkey has almost 50 years of head start on the TCs and the north since 1963, even just for the sake of argument that the north was recognised and embargoes removed. The north will continue to depend on Turkey for it's economic survival for the unforeseeable long future, and if the TCs think that Turkey is going to make the economic developments of the north to surpass the economic developments of it's own country, then they are in for a surprised rude awakening. These are the realities which the TCs seems to ignore.

What will benefit the TCs more than anything else, is a BBF as in True Federation and True Democracy and for once and for all letting go of their Taksim Dreams. The only problem at the moment is, Turkey is the one who is in control of the north and not the TCs, therefore, what the TCs wish for is of no consequence. If and when Turkey decides to allow the TCs and the north to become part of the True Federation and True Democracy with the RoC under BBF, is when the economic development of the north will begin and a brighter future for the TCs..

[observer]

I agree with much of what Kikapu says, although I think the risk of further wars is exaggerated with the current situation. RoC is too weak to attack. Turkey has no interest in attacking.

[Gasman]

The reason why the Address is Mersin 10 is because there are no direct flights. How else could you sort the post in Turkey. It was a practical measure.

Really? And there was me thinking that Postal mail must be addressed 'via Mersin 10, TURKEY' because the Universal Postal Union does not recognise the 'TRNC' as a separate entity therefore all mail addressed to the 'TRNC' will be returned to the sender as 'undeliverable'.